Posted July 18, 200519 yr http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/basebal...ack=1&cset=true Source: Trade for Burnett near Julio, Penn, Bigbie would go to Marlins for 3 players; deal could come today By Roch Kubatko Sun Staff July 18, 2005 SEATTLE - The Orioles boarded their charter for Minnesota yesterday with the same roster as the one they took to the West Coast, but an industry source said it could change quickly. According to the source, a trade between the Orioles and Florida Marlins involving Marlins starter A.J. Burnett and Orioles reliever Jorge Julio is almost complete. The source expected an announcement to come today, saying the two sides have made significant progress, but a team official said it is doubtful it would happen that soon. The trade would send Burnett, third baseman Mike Lowell and perhaps minor league outfielder Eric Reed to the Orioles for Julio, outfielder Admin Bigbie and top pitching prospect Hayden Penn. The team official said talks have run "hot and cold." The Orioles' willingness to take Lowell might have pushed them ahead of the Boston Red Sox, who are offering pitcher Bronson Arroyo and prospects. Lowell's production has taken a sharp decline, and he's slated to make $18 million over the next two seasons. According to an Orioles source, there's some debate among team officials over the wisdom of acquiring Lowell and whether he can pull out of a season-long slump. But the Orioles seem open to it if they can reel in Burnett, whose next start is scheduled for tomorrow. Because Burnett can become a free agent after the season, the Orioles would want to sign him to an extension rather than risk losing him over the winter. But they appear willing to modify the trade package if Burnett's status doesn't change, giving up less to add him to their rotation. Burnett is 5-6 with a 3.64 ERA. He allowed six runs in five innings of Thursday's start against the Philadelphia Phillies, including three homers in the second inning. Julio pitched a scoreless inning Friday, stranding two runners, but it came in the seventh. Chris Ray followed him into the game, and manager Lee Mazzilli used the rookie with the score tied in the eighth and ninth Saturday. Julio has become more expendable with Jason Grimsley activated from the 60-day disabled list. Though Julio hasn't allowed a run in four straight appearances, his ERA is 10.45 over his past 13 games. Penn is 0-1 with a 6.99 ERA since returning to Double-A Bowie. He allowed five runs in 4 1/3 innings against New Britain on July 10.
July 18, 200519 yr Why do we want Bigbie? But Penn looks like a good pitcher, and he is only 20 years old. Willis, Olsen, Vargas and Penn are all under 23 I believe. Talk about a young rotation.
July 18, 200519 yr Author Penn has had 1 quality start out of 7 total starts. He seems to be another Olsen and Vargas, a stud AA prospect who is being pushed to the majors before being fully developed in the minors. I have to think Beinfest would go out and trade for a veteran starting pitcher before the deadline, because to trust one of the Penn/Olsen/Vargas trio for the pennant race is not practical. Willis-Moehler-Beckett-Valdez, and then pick one of the 3, or trade for someone else with the salary space you cleared by trading Lowell.
July 18, 200519 yr why is this deal centered around a pitching prospect? We are not short on pitching prospects. It's already looking like we'll have 4 of our 5 starters next year still in their 'teens, do we really need all 5? I know you can never have enough pitching, etc, etc... I would just like to center a deal on a guy who is a little more proven, a hitting prospect, and a reliever. We have Alfonseca coming back and a bunch of pitching prospects already. Begbie is fine but if we're looking for an outfielder to spark the team it ought to be Willingham or Hermida.
July 18, 200519 yr Penn has had 1 quality start out of 7 total starts. He seems to be another Olsen and Vargas, a stud AA prospect who is being pushed to the majors before being fully developed in the minors. I have to think Beinfest would go out and trade for a veteran starting pitcher before the deadline, because to trust one of the Penn/Olsen/Vargas trio for the pennant race is not practical. Willis-Moehler-Beckett-Valdez, and then pick one of the 3, or trade for someone else with the salary space you cleared by trading Lowell. 861453[/snapback] WHat more can you expect from a 20 year old, only 1 was a "quality start" but all of his starts were good until the last 2, giving up no more than 4 runs in any. If he is traded I really dont think he will be in on the major league team this year.
July 18, 200519 yr July 18, 2005 Trade winds blowing While the Red Sox have interest in Florida Marlins pitcher A.J. Burnett, there were no Marlins scouts at Fenway Park this weekend, and while Bronson Arroyo's name has been mentioned as possible trade bait, it doesn't appear at this time as if the sides match up. The Marlins are looking for both a starter and a reliever, and the Orioles, with Jorge Julio and Hayden Penn, and the White Sox (Brendan McCarthy) appear to be better matches. There are indications that the Marlins would also like to include slumping (and high-priced) third baseman Mike Lowell in the deal. Curiously, while the White Sox had a scout in Philadelphia to watch Burnett's last start, the Orioles did not. Sox scout Bill Lajoie also was in attendance, but it was unclear whether he was there to see Burnett or Phillies closer Billy Wagner, though it is by no means assured that the Phillies will part with the lefthander. The Sox are actively seeking both a starter and a reliever. They like Brewers setup man Mike Wise, but Milwaukee reportedly is willing only to trade Ricky Bottalico. Miguel Batista of the Blue Jays is available, but Toronto general manager J.P. Ricciardi is believed to have asked for top prospect Hanley Ramirez in return, the same player Tampa Bay GM Chuck LaMar wants for closer Danys Baez. Jason Schmidt of the Giants does not appear to be on the Sox' radar; Seattle's Eddie Guardado may be a possibility, but again price will be a factor.
July 18, 200519 yr why is this deal centered around a pitching prospect? We are not short on pitching prospects. It's already looking like we'll have 4 of our 5 starters next year still in their 'teens, do we really need all 5? I know you can never have enough pitching, etc, etc... I would just like to center a deal on a guy who is a little more proven, a hitting prospect, and a reliever. We have Alfonseca coming back and a bunch of pitching prospects already. Begbie is fine but if we're looking for an outfielder to spark the team it ought to be Willingham or Hermida. 861455[/snapback] Because he becomes a tradeable commodity. If we do end up with a surplus of pitching we can always trade someone away. Just like the Orioles who are trading a prospect for someone, we in the future could do that.
July 18, 200519 yr Julio's 8.76 ERA in June should slide in nicely to our pen. Penn will have young friends in Olsen and Vargas. And Bigbie has an OPS on par with Alex Gonzalez. I just don't see this trade.
July 18, 200519 yr Arroyo is what we need! I like Arroyo, Burroughs, and Shoppach. I really hope it goes through. I don't really like the O's deal. I think Penn is overrated as far as prospects go. Bigbie is no better than a #4 OF and we have those (Conine/Aguila). Kline is declining. The only guy I like is Julio. Please send AJ and Lowell to Boston or Chicago!
July 18, 200519 yr I hope that instead of these big trade proposals Admin will come around with something short and sweet, like a simple swap of AJ for Hanley Ramirez
July 18, 200519 yr Something needs to happen soon before the marlins fall into the ass of the world,they keep losing everyday and a trade needs to be done,pronto..If beinfest keeps on waiting it's going to be too late,just like last year,well i hope a deal happens soon,which i don't expect but w.e...Come on Beinfest git'r'dun
July 18, 200519 yr Author Why is Beinfest doing this? He is trying to "rebuild on the fly" ala Oakland with his pitching staff. With Beckett, Willis, Olsen, Vargas and Penn, the Marlins shore up their staff with top and cheap prospects for the next few years. Bigbie is being paid $380k, is lefty, and still has one more year of arbitration. Julio is a proven late inning guy. Kline has shown he can do the job in the NL. That's why Beinfest is doing it. I'd like to see them trade for Schmidt now with the almost 6million of salary they clear.
July 18, 200519 yr I honetly can't figure out why we would trade A.J. and Lowell for that sorry package. I understand Burnett has alot of leverage here but come on. We have 4 prospect pitchers who can be considered top level and then we just went and drafted 3 more pitchers in the first round, this is beyond a surplus espically if we get Penn. If this is the deal that gets done I hope Beinfiest turns around and does something just as big.
July 18, 200519 yr God I hate this deal more every passing second 861445[/snapback] Im with ya on this one. we NEED captain Mikey
July 18, 200519 yr God I hate this deal more every passing second 861445[/snapback] Im with ya on this one. we NEED captain Mikey 861488[/snapback] haha consider him gone kid. 7.5 million- 22 million owed. You wouldn't pay a player hitting 4 HR in 300 ABs that if you were a owner. Get him off the books and get a FA in the offseason.
July 18, 200519 yr I don't have a problem trading either player, but I do if we don't get anything decent in return. Two so-so veteran relievers, an average outfielder, and another AA pitching prospect don't help us this year.
July 18, 200519 yr If Orioels get Burnett they can say hello to the playoffs. As long as the Marlins get some good young talent that they can sign for 3 or 4 years I'm happy. This team isn't going anywhere this year. It's time to build for the future....again. PS: Don't think that this trade is going to help us out for "this year". If the front office thought they had a chance at "this year" they wouldn't be trading AJ. Look at Pavano last year. They could have gotten just as much for him but held on to him because they thought they could make a playoff run and they weren't playing this bad last year.
July 18, 200519 yr If Orioels get Burnett they can say hello to the playoffs. As long as the Marlins get some good young talent that they can sign for 3 or 4 years I'm happy. This team isn't going anywhere this year. It's time to build for the future....again. PS: Don't think that this trade is going to help us out for "this year". If the front office thought they had a chance at "this year" they wouldn't be trading AJ. Look at Pavano last year. They could have gotten just as much for him but held on to him because they thought they could make a playoff run and they weren't playing this bad last year. 861499[/snapback] You are right about the rebuilding part, except that getting two veteran relievers and a veteran outfielder doesn't seem like rebuilding to me. Especially if we are also throwing in Eric Reed, one of our top OF prospects, and a guy who could replace Juan Pierre in a few years if we need him to.
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