Does anyone know his status and why he won't sign and where did Vargas go? Has he started to play?

Tank wont sign because of the added stipulations(all added because of Jeff Allison)

Vargas is already playing for the Jammers in Shorts Season A Ball. Tank was rumored to be in Extended Spring Training but i havent heard much recently.

Tank wont sign because of the added stipulations(all added because of Jeff Allison)

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Sounds like another problem child in the making...

 

...show'em the door IMO :thumbdown :guillotine

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Or someone who doesn't feel like the team should be his mom and dad. :whistle

http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...showtopic=22527

 

This was posted yesterday.

 

The kid has a good attitude and it looks like he's handling it the right way, let's just hope that the marlins and Tankersly can get everything worked out.

Or someone who doesn't feel like the team should be his mom and dad.? :whistle

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If someone is going to hand you a big sack full'o greenbacks, they have the right to be your mom, dad, confessional priest, and effing proctologist if they want.

 

If he don't like it, he can always flip burgers...

 

Until such time as insurance companies start offering "doper insurance" to teams, this sort of thing is going to become the norm. Tankersley needs to accept that this isn't the sports landscape it was in days gone by, and teams, quite reasonably, are going to want to protect their considerable investment in unknown quantities like him.

 

Would you give a 20-something year old kid a sak full of cash without some caveats and promises of performance? In the business world, this is roughly analogous to having Tankersley post a "performance bond" for some contractual obligation.

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Yep, the Marlins can do that. And the players can tell the Marlins to go f*** themselves. I read your comments in the other thread on Tank. If the Marlins won't drop this demand, don't cry when Tank doesn't sign. When the Marlins' top picks don't sign with the team in the next couple of years, you may finally get it... :whistle

MLBPA, the future of baseball, and the business of baseball itself is greater than Tankersley. He understands that, and it is sad that fans can't. He is happy with the money, but doesn't want to go against everything the MLBPA has fought for in the last few years. In effect, he is being extremely unselfish. Don't think for a second that he isn't licking his chops to have that bonus money in his hands... Those of you who don't understand the way the MLBPA works, and what its effect on players is, have no business posting on the topic, and even less business critizing the way this kid has handled the whole situation.

 

EDIT: Why can't people understand that Tankersley's hands are tied in this situation?! This is an intelligent baseball forum with many contributors here. If some of you would just read, you would be learning so much here. I certainly have.

Yep, the Marlins can do that. And the players can tell the Marlins to go f*** themselves. I read your comments in the other thread on Tank. If the Marlins won't drop this demand, don't cry when Tank doesn't sign. When the Marlins' top picks don't sign with the team in the next couple of years, you may finally get it... :whistle

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If he don't sign with the fish and makes a big deal over what amounts to just giving a reasonable guarantee that he isn't going to spin off in some doped up fog in the immediate future, what make you think anyone else would step up and take that sort of risk?

 

He'll find that available "signing bonuses" quickly drop down around the level of pick-3 lottery winner. Sure kid, we'll let you play, but since you won't guarantee us anything, we ain't gonna risk anything either...

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Can you please understand that Tankersley's hands are completely tied in this situation? He should not, and will not go against the wishes on the MLPA... period! He is doing what an informed and judicious young ball player should be doing: weighing his options and covering his bases. Shame on any of you for suggesting that he does drugs and is a money whore simply because he is trying to get is career off on the right foot.

Yep, the Marlins can do that. And the players can tell the Marlins to go f*** themselves. I read your comments in the other thread on Tank. If the Marlins won't drop this demand, don't cry when Tank doesn't sign. When the Marlins' top picks don't sign with the team in the next couple of years, you may finally get it... :whistle

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If he don't sign with the fish and makes a big deal over what amounts to just giving a reasonable guarantee that he isn't going to spin off in some doped up fog in the immediate future, what make you think anyone else would step up and take that sort of risk?

 

He'll find that available "signing bonuses" quickly drop down around the level of pick-3 lottery winner. Sure kid, we'll let you play, but since you won't guarantee us anything, we ain't gonna risk anything either...

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Can you please understand that Tankersley's hands are completely tied in this situation? He should not, and will not go against the wishes on the MLPA... period! He is doing what an informed and judicious young ball player should be doing: weighing his options and covering his bases. Shame on any of you for suggesting that he does drugs and is a money whore simply because he is trying to get is career off on the right foot.

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FL is a "right to work" state. He can do anything he wants and negotiate any sort of contract he wants. Unions are optional here.

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WOW! Just keep talking... this is almost comical already...

 

Read, goddamnit!

 

http://bigleaguers.yahoo.com/mlbpa/faq

 

http://bigleaguers.yahoo.com/mlbpa/history

WOW! Just keep talking... this is almost comical already...

 

Read, goddamnit!

 

http://bigleaguers.yahoo.com/mlbpa/faq

 

http://bigleaguers.yahoo.com/mlbpa/history

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I've done a lot of reading but see thing about MANDATORY membership.

 

Educate me.

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HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA... Please keep on... HAHAHAHAHAAAHA

OK... no one called you stupid, but you are stubborn as hell :thumbup . Read through the MLBPA site. The player's union is responsible for all the little things that protect players, like arbitration assistance, pensions, liscensing revenue, etc... If a player is outside the union, what protection does a he have? Little...

 

Also, the site gives some insight into the legacy passed down from ballplayer to ballplayer, that legacy being the MLBPA. It is not mandatory to be a part of it, but it would be STUPID for a player of Tanks caliber to think that he might not need the protection of the MLBPA in the future.

 

If you are feeling really, frisky, read the 234 page basic agreement between the MLBPA and the owners for 2003-2006. It covers everything from the negotiations and approval of contracts, to minimum salaries, to salary arbitration eligibility, to transportation and travel expenses. If you are Barry Bonds, you don't need this protection. But when you are a prospective minor leaguer just getting your career started, you want to make sure that you are somehow protected. The players uniting together gives them the opportunity to shape the rules in a reasonable fashion so as to protect every player in the game. You should look up some stories on the players that played during the lockout in the 90s against the MLBPA's wishes... sad stuff.

 

Furthermore, a player is a sellout for turning his back on the little guys that will never see a contract like that of Tanks... the little guys that don't have the bargaining power that Tank, as a first-rounder, has. This isn't about money, or being a druggie. This is about respecting the MLBPA's wishes that players should not be subjected to mandatory drug testing. This is a big deal. Do you think that someone like Glavine needs to be the head of the Players Union? Hell no... He does it because it is an honorable position in the eyes of the players, and a thankless one at that. Right or wrong, it is the MLBPA's wish, and Tank is NOT the man to challange that. Get it?

 

So, the issue is not whether the MLBPA is mandatory, or whether Tank is a brat. The issue is that Tank is stuck between looking like a spoiled athlete, or turning his back on his "brothers". Any insults should be directed towards the MLBPA for their efforts to keep drug testing out of baseball, not at Tank for respecting those that have come before him and laid down a groundwork for which he has the opportunity to take part in: the Major Leagues as we know it.

OK... no one called you stupid, but you are stubborn as hell :thumbup . Read through the MLBPA site. The player's union is responsible for all the little things that protect players, like arbitration assistance, pensions, liscensing revenue, etc... If a player is outside the union, what protection does a he have? Little...445903[/snapback]

 

The player has whatever protections they can negotiate.

 

If you look like someone a team really wants, there's no reason you can't do much better than what a standard union contract would give. A contract can be anything you want it to be as long as both sides agree to it.

 

Unions aren't always the best answer for everyone.

 

I find the notion that a union should dictate how someone's career progresses pretty offensive and oppressive. I find the notion of people objecting to someone going off on their own to try something different as being somehow subversive to be offensive and bullying.

 

As for "brothers" GMAFB - when the strike occured who were the losers? The small guys who hadn't built up a fat bank account yet. The guys making the megabucks were always set - that wasn't a strike for them, it was a vacation.

 

Anyone who had independently negotiated something could be getting paid through a strike by others if they'd negotiated that as part of their contract.

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:headscratch We aren't discussing whether unions are good or not... You know what? Nevermind...

Yep, the Marlins can do that.? And the players can tell the Marlins to go f*** themselves.? I read your comments in the other thread on Tank.? If the Marlins won't drop this demand, don't cry when Tank doesn't sign.? When the Marlins' top picks don't sign with the team in the next couple of years, you may finally get it... :whistle

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If he don't sign with the fish and makes a big deal over what amounts to just giving a reasonable guarantee that he isn't going to spin off in some doped up fog in the immediate future, what make you think anyone else would step up and take that sort of risk?

 

He'll find that available "signing bonuses" quickly drop down around the level of pick-3 lottery winner. Sure kid, we'll let you play, but since you won't guarantee us anything, we ain't gonna risk anything either...

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Hmm, just about every other team in baseball. :lol