Some questions I would like answered if you know about it

 

A) How do you decide if a player is eligible for it? When are they eligible?

B) Who determines the outcome?

C) What criteria is involved in deciding the outcome?

D) Is this specific to MLB, or also happens in minor leagues and other sports?

 

Thank you my friends

Player states what he wants to make, Team states what they want to pay, both sides make thier case, arbitrators choose one or the other. All choices are final and no compromises. Teams win more than players.

Most players and teams reach an agreement before actually going to arbitration.

Arbi happens in the real world. It is a legal process usually used before lawsuits.

How did MLB end up with arbitration? I've always assumed its because of the anti-trust exemption?

But if a player signs a contract, that should state how much he gets paid. He can't all of a sudden decide that he wants to get a huge raise.

But if a player signs a contract, that should state how much he gets paid. He can't all of a sudden decide that he wants to get a huge raise.

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arbitration cases are held after a player's contract is up. for example, a player can't just have an arbitration case 2 years into a 4 year contract. i hope that answers your question.

But if a player signs a contract, that should state how much he gets paid. He can't all of a sudden decide that he wants to get a huge raise.

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arbitration cases are held after a player's contract is up. for example, a player can't just have an arbitration case 2 years into a 4 year contract. i hope that answers your question.

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I thought a player was a free agent when the contract was up

How did MLB end up with arbitration? I've always assumed its because of the anti-trust exemption?

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An easy way to fix disputes. The union negotiated it into the CBA and viola.

But if a player signs a contract, that should state how much he gets paid. He can't all of a sudden decide that he wants to get a huge raise.

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arbitration cases are held after a player's contract is up. for example, a player can't just have an arbitration case 2 years into a 4 year contract. i hope that answers your question.

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I thought a player was a free agent when the contract was up

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it has to do with service time as well

But if a player signs a contract, that should state how much he gets paid. He can't all of a sudden decide that he wants to get a huge raise.

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arbitration cases are held after a player's contract is up. for example, a player can't just have an arbitration case 2 years into a 4 year contract. i hope that answers your question.

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I thought a player was a free agent when the contract was up

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it has to do with service time as well

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I believe you have to have played 5 years to become an UFA. Instead, the player can also elect arbitration if they area FA if I remember correctly.

8 years for UFA is what I thought. 5-6 years was arbi.

Arbitration is an intregal part of the MLBPA/MLB contract.

 

Basically an eligible player determines with his agent what they believe is fair compensation for the upcoming year (as does the team) and each side presents their number along with evidence supporting their position to an arbitrator.

 

The arbitrator's sole task is to pick one of the two numbers. There is no middle ground. Each side, because of the either/or way a decision is made, are forced to be reasonable in their requests. Arbitrators look at what similar players made for equivalent performance to develop a benchmark. For example, a fifth year player batting .300 with 30 homeruns will be compared with other similar players.

Arbi happens in the real world. It is a legal process usually used before lawsuits.

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Actually, arbitration is agreed upon mutually by the two parties in a contract. There is NO arbitration prior to lawsuits. Check some of the contracts you sign (if you are over 18) and they may have an arbitration clause. That means any conflicts arising from the contract can ONLY be settled through arbitration. If you can argue that your contract dispute is not something that is arbitration eligible, you may file a lawsuit. However, the other side will have the opportunity to kick the case out of court and back to arbitration. If the case is arbitration eligible, the judge has no choice but to send it to an arbitrator and that dispute will NOT be tried, even after arbitration is complete.

 

I think you're confusing "arbitration" with "mediation". Mediation is non-binding and may occur before or during a lawsuit. Actually, in Florida, mediation is mandatory in small claims, county, and circuit civil cases.

Arbi happens in the real world. It is a legal process usually used before lawsuits.

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Actually, arbitration is agreed upon mutually by the two parties in a contract. There is NO arbitration prior to lawsuits. Check some of the contracts you sign (if you are over 18) and they may have an arbitration clause. That means any conflicts arising from the contract can ONLY be settled through arbitration. If you can argue that your contract dispute is not something that is arbitration eligible, you may file a lawsuit. However, the other side will have the opportunity to kick the case out of court and back to arbitration. If the case is arbitration eligible, the judge has no choice but to send it to an arbitrator and that dispute will NOT be tried, even after arbitration is complete.

 

I think you're confusing "arbitration" with "mediation". Mediation is non-binding and may occur before or during a lawsuit. Actually, in Florida, mediation is mandatory in small claims, county, and circuit civil cases.

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I know, but if an arbitrator cannot come to a verdict, it can lead to a lawsuit. There are cases where this happens.

For example, a fifth year player batting .300 with 30 homeruns will be compared with other similar players.

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Actually a fifth year abritration-eligible player will be compared with ALL players at his position for a salary range.

 

A fourth year arbitration-eligible player will be compared with players of similar experience and service time.

 

That's why Brad Penny was traded, because he will compared stats wise with ALL pitchers. Paul Lo Duca is also a fifth year arbitration player. However, the average salary of catchers is lower than starting pitchers, and he may be able to be re-signed for a lower cost.

I know, but if an arbitrator cannot come to a verdict, it can lead to a lawsuit. There are cases where this happens.

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Only if its non-binding arbitration. Binding arbitration is "binding" and a lawsuit cannot be started after his decision. The arbitrator's decision must then be appealed.

I know, but if an arbitrator cannot come to a verdict, it can lead to a lawsuit. There are cases where this happens.

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Only if its non-binding arbitration. Binding arbitration is "binding" and a lawsuit cannot be started after his decision. The arbitrator's decision must then be appealed.

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Correct. MLB has binding arbi.

For example, a fifth year player batting .300 with 30 homeruns will be compared with other similar players.

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...However, the average salary of catchers is lower than starting pitchers, and he may be able to be re-signed for a lower cost.

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wow, someone who actually knows how to spell "re-sign(ed)" ! :thumbup

For example, a fifth year player batting .300 with 30 homeruns will be compared with other similar players.

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Actually a fifth year abritration-eligible player will be compared with ALL players at his position for a salary range.

 

A fourth year arbitration-eligible player will be compared with players of similar experience and service time.

 

That's why Brad Penny was traded, because he will compared stats wise with ALL pitchers. Paul Lo Duca is also a fifth year arbitration player. However, the average salary of catchers is lower than starting pitchers, and he may be able to be re-signed for a lower cost.

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holy moly bro

either you are the brother of ese Admin Beinfest or you are just some dude with crazy knowledge of the details.

 

:thumbup

For example, a fifth year player batting .300 with 30 homeruns will be compared with other similar players.

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That's why Brad Penny was traded, because he will compared stats wise with ALL pitchers. Paul Lo Duca is also a fifth year arbitration player. However, the average salary of catchers is lower than starting pitchers, and he may be able to be re-signed for a lower cost.

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interesting...

LoDuca will make as much out of arbitration as Penny will.

LoDuca will make as much out of arbitration as Penny will.

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The average salary of a catcher is much lower than the average salary of a starting pitcher. There are more pitchers who command $10M and up salaries than there are catchers. While it may have cost $8M to re-sign Penny, Lo Duca may be had for around $5M to $7M, or he may just accept a multi-year contract in lieu of arbitration and still cost less over the long term than Penny.

LoDuca can't see such a big increase for 2 factors.

 

1) He has had a season (so far) better than this one.

2) He is an older player who has only been with one team and therefore a switch to the Marlins could cut his value.

Exactly $5-7M. Same ballpark as Penny.

 

You're right that the average salary, but that's because there are few good catchers. After the top 5 the talent seriously drops off. This does not help the Marlins, the more scarcity at the position the more the Marlins will have to overpay.

{Desperate attempt to be optimistic about these moves}

Maybe LoDuca's agent will ask for a lot because LoDuca will be the best catcher heading into arbitration or free agency this year, and may want to scare the Marlins off and get into the open market. If the Marlins roll the dice they might have a decent chance at locking him up for one year at their price.

{/Desperate optimism}

Unfortunetly the Marlisn have a history of overpaying players to avoid arbitration.

 

I'd be just as happy with Redmond/Treanor/Willingham/Castro next year at the much cheaper price if it means we can keep Burnett, Pavano, Beckett and either Mota or Benitez.