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The planned stadium site, in foreground, has a view of downtown and the Capitol as well as the Anacostia waterfront.

(Marvin Joseph -- The Washington Post)

 

 

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D.C. Eyes Waterfront Baseball Stadium

Sources Say Owners Will Back Moving Expos to Washington

 

By Serge F. Kovaleski and Thomas Heath

Washington Post Staff Writers

Wednesday, September 22, 2004; Page A01

 

 

District officials disclosed plans yesterday to build a publicly financed stadium costing more than $400 million on the Anacostia waterfront near South Capitol Street, amid growing signs that Major League Baseball will attempt to move the Montreal Expos to Washington.

 

Two high-level baseball sources said the owners' relocation committee is leaning toward recommending at an executive council meeting tomorrow in Milwaukee that the Expos be moved to Washington, triggering what figures to be delicate negotiations with Baltimore Orioles owner Peter G. Angelos.

 

"Everyone recognizes that we are running out of time, and we hope a decision can be made by October 1," said baseball President Robert DuPuy.

 

Angelos reiterated yesterday his willingness to fight an Expos move to the District, saying it would drain away fans, financially damage his franchise and hinder its ability to compete.

 

"My position remains unchanged for the reasons I have repeatedly articulated," Angelos said. "The facts don't alter that position." He declined to comment further.

 

Although yesterday's developments signaled that the District's 31-year wait for the return of baseball could be nearing an end, baseball officials cautioned that no deal has been reached and that several obstacles remain.

 

A high-ranking baseball source said that besides Angelos, possible impediments are a lawsuit filed in Miami by former Expos owners, the need to get approval for the District's financing plan from the D.C. Council and any unforeseen problems with the renovation of Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, which would be the team's temporary home.

 

Northern Virginia also is trying to land the Expos. Baseball officials said its bid is still under consideration, although problems have developed with its stadium financing plan.

 

The proposed new District stadium on the Anacostia would be part of a $440 million package that would include $13 million for renovations of RFK. The plan would still have to be approved by the D.C. Council, whose members offered mixed reactions after a 45-minute briefing by officials from the mayor's office and the D.C. Sports and Entertainment Commission.

 

The city would finance the proposed stadium with 30-year bonds, according to the plan outlined to council members yesterday. The annual debt service would be composed of $21 million to $24 million from a gross receipts tax on District businesses, $5.5 million in rent from the team's owners and $11 million to $14 million from in-stadium taxes on tickets, concessions and merchandise. City officials said the new tax would be imposed on businesses with gross receipts of $3 million or more annually -- or about 11 percent of businesses in the District.

 

The team's owners would keep revenue from the sale of the stadium's naming rights, according to people who attended the briefing.

 

Mayor Anthony A. Williams (D), who did not attend the briefing, reacted cautiously when asked whether he expected an announcement soon that the Expos were coming to Washington.

 

"It's still a major challenge for Major League Baseball to make a decision our way. . . . I don't take anything for granted," Williams said. "Are we in better shape than we have been in the past? Yes."

 

The stadium site, bounded by M, South Capitol, P and First streets SE, had been one of four possible locations under consideration in the city. City officials said it was selected because of its potential to spur economic development without causing a negative impact on a residential community. The 20-acre site, including streets, is 40 percent vacant.

 

Council member Sharon Ambrose (D-Ward 6), in whose district the stadium would be built, said she preferred the site over the others because of its potential for economic development.

 

"The M Street site has been my favorite for some time because it offers a great opportunity for spinoff economic development," Ambrose said. "It will help leverage development that is already going on there. And it will, I hope, jump-start development along South Capitol Street. In terms of disrupting a residential neighborhood, there really is none to disrupt. The businesses are largely industrial, and it is the kind of use that we would like to move farther away from the waterfront."

 

The other options were a new facility at the RFK site; a ballpark at New York Avenue at North Capitol Street; and a stadium across from L'Enfant Plaza in Banneker Park in Southwest Washington. The Banneker site, which would have straddled Interstate 395, had attracted the most interest from baseball officials because of its proximity to downtown and the Mall. But city officials said the cost of the Banneker site was prohibitive.

 

Of the 13 council members, four supported the project in interviews yesterday, four said they were undecided and three said they were opposed to any public financing of a stadium. The other two did not return phone calls.

 

"I am opposed to raising taxes, especially a gross receipts tax, to pay for a baseball stadium," said Adrian M. Fenty (D-Ward 4).

 

Vincent B. Orange Sr. (D-Ward 5) said he would back the stadium plan and the taxes to pay for it if it had the support of businesses.

 

"If the business community is for it, I'm for it," Orange said. Baseball "is something the business community wants. They know they can't get a stadium without paying for it."

 

Jim Graham (D-Ward 1) said he was not convinced that the ballpark would provide economic spinoffs and was therefore undecided.

 

"If there is not a clear economic case for a stadium, and given the public resources that must be invested to make it work, what about all the other priorities and pressing needs that we have as a city?" Graham said.

 

The Virginia Baseball Stadium Authority has proposed building a publicly financed stadium in Loudoun County, although in recent weeks that proposal has run into problems with land acquisition for broader development surrounding the stadium as well as the apparent reluctance of state officials to back the stadium's bonds.

 

"According to representations by Major League Baseball, Loudoun County is alive and well," Bruce Tulloch (R-Potomac), vice chairman of Loudoun County's Board of Supervisors, said yesterday.

 

Angelos is one of eight owners who sit on the executive council along with Commissioner Bud Selig, whose family owns an interest in the Milwaukee Brewers. The council is Selig's instrument for making all major decisions affecting the game.

 

The league is committed to moving the Expos to a new location by April. The District has told baseball officials that it needs the go-ahead in the next two weeks in order to pass a ballpark financing package by the end of the year. A new D.C. Council will take office in January.

 

Baseball's 29 owners purchased the Expos from Jeffrey Loria in February 2002 for $120 million and have lost tens of millions of dollars since. The owners have been weighing moving the team to another location and selling it to new owners, thereby recovering some if not all of their costs. In addition to the Washington area locations, the league had been considering moving the Expos to Las Vegas, Norfolk, Portland, Ore., and Monterrey, Mexico. Those sites gradually faded as the Washington area, propelled largely by the region's upscale demographics, received most of the attention from a relocation committee that baseball had created to decide the fate of the Expos.

 

If a decision is not forthcoming in the next two weeks, it almost certainly will be delayed until November because of baseball's reluctance to making announcements during the playoffs and World Series.

 

Staff writers Thomas Boswell, Michael Laris, Michael D. Shear and Yolanda Woodlee and staff researcher Bobbye Pratt contributed to this report.

 

 

 

 

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M Street SE/ Anacostia Waterfront

Located adjacent to South Capitol Street, the Anacostia waterfront location has a projected price tag of between $411 million and $436 million.

 

 

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Permanent MLB site locations under consideration:

NY Ave: NY Ave NE, bordered by Florida Avenue NE, North Capitol St., and N Street NE

Banneker Park: L'Enfant Plaza SW, SW Waterfront at 10th and G St. SW

RFK: Location next to RFK Stadium NE, 2400 E. Capitol St. NE

Navy Yard (SE Waterfront): SE Waterfront at 1st and M St. SE

 

(Taken from http://www.businessofbaseball.com/relo.htm )

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This is new. My source (who was right on about the announcement today that downtown DC won out over N.VA for territorial rights) told me that NY Ave site was favored by MLB and the district. Perhaps the recent elections complicated the matter, and they decided to target Ambrose's ward.

 

BTW, if my source is right, expect a big press conference two weeks from now to announce the move, with Omar Minaya, Frank Robinson, Selig, Anthony Williams and some big names expected to be in attendance.

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What is very odd about this site is that it is a block away from a proposed waterfont [slots] casino before the slots referendums failed to make it out of the city council.

 

 

I don't see the impact this will have to the Marlins new ballpark. MLB will force a free ballpark out of DC (or anywhere else they plan to move the Expos) while the outlines of Marlins' financing is set and unlikely to change much. The plan for the new DC ballpark is for a Camden Yards/SBC design while the Marlins are looking more at Wrigley and Petco.

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Marlins park resembles PETCO and Wrigley because Miami Bobby Maduro Stadium was in that style

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First of all, provide some sources to this PETCO theme of yours. Until you provide a source, you have no credibility with me. You harp on Berardino for not providing any sources or disclosures to his "employers", yet you're really mum about your "sources." Make a disclosure.

 

Second, Bobby Maduro was not in the "style" of Wrigley and/or PETCO. The old Miami Stadium was a one of its kind because it had the largest cantilevered roof of any facility around. This was revolutionary when built in the 1940s. Neither Wrigley nor PETCO have a cantilevered roof. Trust me, I was around when the Marlins actually played at Miami Stadium. I still remeber the WHAM concert at Miami Stadium in 1985 (didn't go because I wasn't interested, but had plenty of girl friends that went). My best friend was an Orioles bat boy their last year at the stadium. Neither of those parks you mention had any resemblance to it (I've been to games at Wrigley -- not PETCO, though).

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Marlins park resembles PETCO and Wrigley because Miami Bobby Maduro Stadium was in that style

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First of all, provide some sources to this PETCO theme of yours. Until you provide a source, you have no credibility with me. You harp on Berardino for not providing any sources or disclosures to his "employers", yet you're really mum about your "sources." Make a disclosure.

 

Second, Bobby Maduro was not in the "style" of Wrigley and/or PETCO. The old Miami Stadium was a one of its kind because it had the largest cantilevered roof of any facility around. This was revolutionary when built in the 1940s. Neither Wrigley nor PETCO have a cantilevered roof. Trust me, I was around when the Marlins actually played at Miami Stadium. I still remeber the WHAM concert at Miami Stadium in 1985 (didn't go because I wasn't interested, but had plenty of girl friends that went). My best friend was an Orioles bat boy their last year at the stadium. Neither of those parks you mention had any resemblance to it (I've been to games at Wrigley -- not PETCO, though).

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I think you misunderstand the style, what I mean is the ballpark won't seem to be as enclosed as Oriole Park or SBC with tall walls and buildings that close it in but feel more free to air and the neighborhood.

 

If you don't see me as credible fine. You seem to be only interested in causing argument and once the plans are out you shall see them in final form just like everyone else. When I post something I state that it is likely and not written in stone as the design is not done yet. October, November or December looks to be the deadline for design and then you shall see.

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Here is a quote from the Palm Beach Post of an article

 

For one, the Marlins' park will aim to capture the look and feel of Miami, much like Petco Park conveys the feel of San Diego. Palm trees are everywhere. And the grassy Park at the Park beyond the right-center field wall has berms and sand to mimic the beach.

 

You understand what I mean by style now? Miami Stadium, PETCO Park, and Wrigley Field all interact (or will in PETCO's case) with their neighborhood in that you can get a good view of the neighborhood from the park.

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Billed as "a ballpark like no other," the stadium combines the artistry of architect Antoine Predock with the sports expertise of HOK Sport+Venue+Event and features modern amenities and nostalgia. Unlike many stadiums built in the past dozen years that are red brick and green steel, Petco Park reflects its surroundings. It's built with sand-colored stone and stucco meant to symbolize the region's Torrey Pines Cliffs. The white steel is to echo the sails on the nearby bay, and the seats are Pacific Ocean blue. Palm trees and bougainvillea enhance the building.

 

A little more about the style of the architects working on our ballpark. HOK worked on PETCO Park.

 

Source: Sun-Sentinel

 

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You have horrible reading comprehension skills. You derive from one sentence that the Marlins like how PETCO takes from the city to conclude that the new ballpark will look like PETCO. That's not what that says.

 

Will the new park incorporate the neighborhood? Of course, but that doesn't mean it'll look like PETCO. For starters, the entire engineering of the site will be different due to the retractable roof.

 

As for your credibility, that's for me to decide. You provide nothing credible except your word, and since you're not in the business of providing information I will believe the Herald, Sun-Sentinel, or Post before you. Furthermore, what's the difference you cut and paste their articles here anyway.

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You have horrible reading comprehension skills. You derive from one sentence that the Marlins like how PETCO takes from the city to conclude that the new ballpark will look like PETCO. That's not what that says.

 

Will the new park incorporate the neighborhood? Of course, but that doesn't mean it'll look like PETCO. For starters, the entire engineering of the site will be different due to the retractable roof.

 

As for your credibility, that's for me to decide. You provide nothing credible except your word, and since you're not in the business of providing information I will believe the Herald, Sun-Sentinel, or Post before you. Furthermore, what's the difference you cut and paste their articles here anyway.

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I am not talking about engineering am I? I said design as in facade. You can look at the structure's construction, but I am talking about cosmetic details that fans care about. Go ahead and believe them, I trust my source and they haven't been so shabby in the past with some details.

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Now to get this back on topic: The DC stadium plan looks nice and has easy access from the Metro and streets considering that it is a warehouse district now.

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I wouldn't say that.

 

It's farther away from two of the richest counties in country (Montgomery, MD; Fairfax, VA) than any of the other proposed sites.

 

The way it's layed out right now has an outfield view southeast towards the dirty Anacostia River. Had it been pointed to the north it could have a view the Capitol building at the expense of the home plate gate being a few more blocks away from the subway stop.

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You have horrible reading comprehension skills. You derive from one sentence that the Marlins like how PETCO takes from the city to conclude that the new ballpark will look like PETCO. That's not what that says.

 

Will the new park incorporate the neighborhood? Of course, but that doesn't mean it'll look like PETCO. For starters, the entire engineering of the site will be different due to the retractable roof.

 

As for your credibility, that's for me to decide. You provide nothing credible except your word, and since you're not in the business of providing information I will believe the Herald, Sun-Sentinel, or Post before you. Furthermore, what's the difference you cut and paste their articles here anyway.

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you need to shut up cape knows what he's talking about. i trust any info coming from cape 10 times more than coming from any of those newspapers.

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Now to get this back on topic: The DC stadium plan looks nice and has easy access from the Metro and streets considering that it is a warehouse district now.

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I wouldn't say that.

 

It's farther away from two of the richest counties in country (Montgomery, MD; Fairfax, VA) than any of the other proposed sites.

 

The way it's layed out right now has an outfield view southeast towards the dirty Anacostia River. Had it been pointed to the north it could have a view the Capitol building at the expense of the home plate gate being a few more blocks away from the subway stop.

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I thought i read that the plan had them cleaning the river? The two counties are far away, but is it really that much than other sites in the district?

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They've been cleaning bodies out of that river for years, it still stinks.

 

IMO, the New York Avenue was the best spot. Cheaper with immediate access from public transit. It was probably killed off because it was too close to Prince George's County, home of the Orioles' AA affiliate.

 

The fact that the three new city councilmen will likely come to power in January all do not want to use public funds for the stadium and developing the Anacostia water basin would be something they could support probably also had something to do with it as well.

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They've been cleaning bodies out of that river for years, it still stinks.

 

IMO, the New York Avenue was the best spot. Cheaper with immediate access from public transit. It was probably killed off because it was too close to Prince George's County, home of the Orioles' AA affiliate.

 

The fact that the three new city councilmen will likely come to power in January all do not want to use public funds for the stadium and developing the Anacostia water basin would be something they could support probably also had something to do with it as well.

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It is close to the Pentagon right? :confused

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