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An unscientific survey of U.S. military personnel shows they support President Bush for re-election by a 4-to-1 ratio. Two-thirds of those responding said John Kerry (news - web sites)'s anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam make them less likely to vote for him.

 

In the survey of more than 4,000 full-time and part-time troops, 73% said they would vote for Bush if the election were held today; 18% said they would vote for Kerry. Of the respondents, 59% identified themselves as Republicans, 20% as independents and 13% as Democrats.

 

The survey was conducted Sept. 15-28 by the Army Times Publishing Co., which distributes the weekly newspapers Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times. (Army Times Publishing is owned by Gannett, which also publishes USA TODAY.)

 

Army Times Publishing sent e-mails to more than 31,000 subscribers and received 4,165 responses on a secure Web site. The publisher cautioned that the results are not a scientific poll. Its readers are older, higher in rank and more career-oriented than the military as a whole.

 

Even so, experts who examined the survey results said they do not bode well for the Kerry campaign's efforts to woo the military, a traditionally Republican and conservative voting bloc. The Kerry campaign has highlighted his war record in an effort to burnish his credentials as a prospective commander in chief.

 

"You can't dismiss" the results, said Peter Feaver, a Duke University political scientist who for years has studied the political leanings of the U.S. military. Feaver said it's unlikely that Bush will receive 70% of votes cast by military personnel. But the results suggest it will be difficult for Kerry to make substantial gains among a group that has strongly supported Republican presidential candidates in the post-Vietnam era.

 

Feaver said he suspects Kerry is losing support among those in uniform because he seems less committed than Bush to prosecuting the war in Iraq (news - web sites).

 

Richard Kohn, a University of North Carolina history professor who has studied the political culture of the military, said the Bush campaign has been effective in creating the impression that, if elected, Kerry might "cut and run" in Iraq. "None of us who has studied Kerry's character believes that, but the Bush campaign has established in the public's mind a connection to Vietnam," Kohn said.

 

Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade called the Army Times Publishing effort "an inaccurate e-mail survey" and said that Kerry has "the vision and values to keep faith with military families and America's veterans."

 

Of survey respondents, 65% of active-duty and 67% of Guard and reserve troops said that Kerry's activities after Vietnam made them less likely to vote for him. Kerry served in Vietnam as a naval officer and was awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. He protested the war after returning home.

 

Only 12% of active-duty troops and 16% of Guard and reserve troops said Bush's actions in the National Guard made them less likely to vote for him. Bush received a coveted pilot's slot in the Texas Air National Guard during the height of the Vietnam War and missed a number of mandatory drills after he stopped flying fighter jets in April 1972.

 

Active-duty, Guard and reserve troops number about 2.4 million, a small slice of the electorate. But in closely contested states such as Florida, their votes could be crucial. The survey found little difference in presidential support among the four military branches.

 

While there is a lot of information available on how military veterans have voted, data on the voting patterns of active-duty personnel are scarce. Feaver said experts believe military personnel favored Bush over Al Gore (news - web sites) 2-1 in the 2000 presidential race.

 

A number of military analysts, including Feaver, had been predicting as recently as this summer that Bush would suffer a slight erosion this year based on a number of factors, including misgivings about the conduct of the war in Iraq and dislike of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in some military circles. Of those responding to the survey, about three-fifths said they approve of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq; one-quarter said they disapprove.

 

Military personnel who responded to the survey said they were generally happy with their jobs: 73% said they would re-enlist.

 

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Now when the soldiers who are actually fighting support Bush and not by a little bit ... 4-1 !? .... u know that is a good leader vote for Bush !

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Soldiers always support the commander in chief, because hes well, the commander. Fool.

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Whoa

Whoa

Whoa

 

 

 

Remind me again which side posted a recent article about dissent among the troops?

And then claimed it was noteworthy (which it was), and are now blowing off ACTUAL FACTS?

 

Definition of hypocrisy.

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Now when the soldiers who are actually fighting support Bush and not by a little bit ... 4-1 ! .... u know that is a good leader vote for Bush !

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Soldiers always support the commander in chief, because hes well, the commander. Fool.

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That's not true, they never supported Clinton during election time.

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you wanna back that up with actual evidence for once?

 

Remind me again which side posted a recent article about dissent among the troops?

And then claimed it was noteworthy (which it was), and are now blowing off ACTUAL FACTS?

 

I posted that but clearly I should have been more explicit. It suprised me that so many troops actually were for Kerry. I thought the number was higher than what I thought it would be.

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How about we let one of the few conservatives who actually makes an arugment every now and then handle this one:

 

 

fishfillet:

Let's face facts about honoring the enlisted military. A vast majority of enlisted didn't end up in uniform b/c of the undeniable call of patriotism. They're there to take advantage of a professional, educational and financial opportunities that offers them thousands of times more compensation than any other path they would choose in civilian life.

 

Sure, they ramble on about protecting their country and all that after their young, ignorant minds are fully indoctrinated, but that's not the reason why they signed up.

 

 

(btw, CF, Ill give you credit for sticking around and making arguments too. :D )

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who was it the other day that was saying something about soldiers being indoctrinated? I think it was fish fillet.

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Correct with the whole chain of command ideology and all that. But there is a more obvious reason. When GI Joe goes and picks up his paycheck he knows damn well where it came from. Besides, the military traditionally leans hard towards the GOP, it's not a big secret.

 

Military support of the GOP is about as surprising as widespread support of the Dems within the black/hispanic community. No shocker.

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who was it the other day that was saying something about soldiers being indoctrinated? I think it was fish fillet.

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Correct with the whole chain of command ideology and all that. But there is a more obvious reason. When GI Joe goes and picks up his paycheck he knows damn well where it came from. Besides, the military traditionally leans hard towards the GOP, it's not a big secret.

 

Military support of the GOP is about as surprising as widespread support of the Dems within the black/hispanic community. No shocker.

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Yep.

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you wanna back that up with actual evidence for once?

 

Remind me again which side posted a recent article about dissent among the troops?

And then claimed it was noteworthy (which it was), and are now blowing off ACTUAL FACTS?

 

I posted that but clearly I should have been more explicit. It suprised me that so many troops actually were for Kerry. I thought the number was higher than what I thought it would be.

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My hypocrisy comment is directed mainly towards Beinfest4Prez.

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How about we let one of the few conservatives who actually makes an arugment every now and then handle this one:

 

 

fishfillet:

Let's face facts about honoring the enlisted military. A vast majority of enlisted didn't end up in uniform b/c of the undeniable call of patriotism. They're there to take advantage of a professional, educational and financial opportunities that offers them thousands of times more compensation than any other path they would choose in civilian life.

 

Sure, they ramble on about protecting their country and all that after their young, ignorant minds are fully indoctrinated, but that's not the reason why they signed up.

 

 

(btw, CF, Ill give you credit for sticking around and making arguments too. :D )

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Thanks, I have never claimed to be any match for any of you folks as far as debating goes, but I try.

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