January 26, 200521 yr 85-13 vote Rice Confirmed Despite Dems' Criticisms Jan 26, 4:51 PM (ET) By ANNE GEARAN WASHINGTON (AP) - Condoleezza Rice won confirmation as secretary of state Wednesday despite blistering criticism from Senate Democrats who accused her of misleading statements and said she must share the blame for mistakes and war deaths in Iraq. The tally, though one-sided at 85-13, was still the largest "no" vote against any secretary of state nominee since 1825. Separately, a Senate committee narrowly voted to send Alberto Gonzales' attorney general nomination to the full Senate. And Jim Nicholson and Michael Leavitt won confirmation as the new secretaries of veterans affairs and health and human services respectively as President Bush's second-term Cabinet began to fill out. Rice, Bush's national security adviser for four years and perhaps his closest adviser on the war and terrorism issues that dominated his first term, becomes the first black woman to be America's top diplomat. She succeeds Colin Powell, a former Army general who clashed privately with some of the strongest hawks in Bush's inner circle. Although Rice's nomination was never in doubt, Democrats mounted a lengthy and biting protest that showed she will not immediately match Powell's collegial relationship with Capitol Hill. Democratic senators denounced Rice's job performance and truthfulness. Most criticism focused on Rice's role planning for war and explaining the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. Some accused her of avoiding accountability for the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Others said she seemed unwilling to acknowledge errors in planning or judgment. "In the end, I could not excuse Dr. Rice's repeated misstatements," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said of his vote against Rice. Durbin said Powell had been "a voice of moderation," and he expressed "hope that the responsibility of leadership will inspire Condoleezza Rice to follow his example." The 11 other Democrats who voted against Rice included some of the Senate's best-known names, such as Massachusetts Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and John Kerry, the unsuccessful candidate for president against Bush last year. Independent Sen. James M. Jeffords of Vermont also voted no. Thirty-two Democrats voted to confirm Rice, although several said they did so with reservations. Rice won support from all 53 Republicans who voted. Two Republican senators did not cast votes. Through history, no nominee for secretary of state has been defeated in the Senate. Many have had little or no opposition and were confirmed without recorded votes. Only one, Henry Clay in 1825, received more recorded no votes than Rice, according to the Senate Historian's office. Clay was confirmed by a vote of 27-14. More recently, Henry Kissinger was approved 78-7, Dean Acheson 83-6 and Alexander Haig 93-6. As White House national security adviser, Rice was not directly answerable to Congress. That changes now that she is a member of Bush's Cabinet who must testify before Congress and brief legislators in private. She will also have to ask Congress for the money to run the State Department. "My own view is she is a forthright person," Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., said after the vote. Lugar chairs the Foreign Relations Committee that questioned Rice over two days of contentious confirmation hearings last week. He said that trust will come with time. Rice was in her temporary office at the State Department on Wednesday, where she conducted strategy sessions on the upcoming Iraq elections and peace in Sudan. She also met briefly with Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom. The State Department planned a welcome ceremony for Rice on Thursday, and a formal swearing-in by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on Friday. Bush was to attend Friday's ceremony. The 50-year-old former Stanford academic and expert on Russia faces a formidable foreign policy agenda, topped by the ongoing U.S.-led war in Iraq. She has pledged to try to promote negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. Rice also inherits a fitful diplomatic effort to halt nuclear weapons development in North Korea and Iran. Bush has included those countries with Iraq in an "axis of evil." In addition to mending fences among Democrats on Capitol Hill, Rice will begin almost immediately try to rebuild alliances in Europe and elsewhere that were damaged by international opposition to the Iraq invasion. Bush's first overseas trip of his second term will be a tour in Europe next month, and Rice is expected to accompany him. She is also expected to make a solo trip abroad sometime beforehand. Ted Kennedy may be an expert at sinking things, but he wasn't able to sink Rice's nomination. :whistle
January 27, 200521 yr I think it shows something that 13 senators opposed her nomination, and two abstained as well. Clearly there is limited confidence in her.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice 669413[/snapback] I agree to a point, but I'll give a fuller answer later. I'm doing math homework.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice 669413[/snapback] :lol He went there I don't think anyone's ever been pissed that Condi "acts white", if by acting white, she's acting intelligent.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. Foxy, eh? I worry about you CF....
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice 669413[/snapback] I agree to a point, but I'll give a fuller answer later. I'm doing math homework. 669418[/snapback] i'm waiting. Ive been wanting to argue this since I joined this message board. Having lived in a lower income neighborhood for most of my life I have always takne interest in this mentality, not only by blakcs but by hispanics as well. So much so that I have studied the sociological and psychological 'differences' that may cause this type of behavior and have formulated a decent conlusion. Id love to hear your view though.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice 669413[/snapback] I agree to a point, but I'll give a fuller answer later. I'm doing math homework. 669418[/snapback] i'm waiting. Ive been wanting to argue this since I joined this message board. Having lived in a lower income neighborhood for most of my life I have always takne interest in this mentality, not only by blakcs but by hispanics as well. So much so that I have studied the sociological and psychological 'differences' that may cause this type of behavior and have formulated a decent conlusion. Id love to hear your view though. 669686[/snapback] A lot of the people who don't like Condy Rice dont like her because of her policies, not because she is a black conservative. The problem is, a black conservative or other minority conservative will often insulate themselves from criticism by claiming people just think they are traitors. Why should any individual be supported by their own race or ethnicity on their views based because they share that race or ethnicity? A jewish person who defends Hitler cant say Im a jew so I can do it and jews who are mad at me think Im a traitor. They are mad because you are defending Hitler. Take Michelle Malkin(asian) for example. She comes and justifies the Japanese internments and then is critisized by other asians as one would expect for her view, not because she is asian and justifies it. Whats her response? Rather than defending it, she just accuses them of calling her an uncle tom. As if asians have to be happy for her and her success and cant question her. Many African Americans are very supportive of Colin Powell because of his views, not the color of his skin. Rice as a conservative has to understand that her views dont mesh well with the views of many African Americans. The only time Id question you and your use of growing up poor is if you blatantly lied about conditions to back up your views. I grew up poor too and I hate when people who grow up poor deny certain aspects. If you can defend your views in the context of growing up poor, then youve given yourself more credit. Now the people that are critical of any minority for being successful and hence acting white are wrong.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice 669413[/snapback] Alrighty, I'm cocked, locked and ready to rock. Regarding the first sentence, Condeleeza Rice is not trying to be white. She's not trying to be anything. She's one thing, intelligent. White isn't synonomous with intelligence, nor is black with ignorance/stupidity. For that, I give Miss Rice credit. She's an intellectual of the highest degree and a brilliant person that represents strong, black women in a positive light not seen in quite awhile. Regarding the second and third sentences, I agree wholeheartedly. There's a sentiment by whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. that if a black person doesn't wear Fubu, speaks eloquently, and doesn't fall into the stereotypical black activities perpetuated by both the white pop-culture media and ignorant blacks that gobble up said media and believe they're "keeping it real". Also, you have to blame the media and parents for putting Randy Moss on the forefront if he looks at someone funny, but when Jermaine O'Neal donates $55,000 to the tsunami disaster, it barely goes on being noticed and gets a passing reference on ESPN that lasts about 2.4 seconds. Anyway, to end this post on a humorous note, I believe Chris Rock said it best when he said, "I love black people, but I f***ing hate n*****s." He went on to explain the comment, but I'm sure you'll understand what he means.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice 669413[/snapback] Alrighty, I'm cocked, locked and ready to rock. Regarding the first sentence, Condeleeza Rice is not trying to be white. She's not trying to be anything. She's one thing, intelligent. White isn't synonomous with intelligence, nor is black with ignorance/stupidity. For that, I give Miss Rice credit. She's an intellectual of the highest degree and a brilliant person that represents strong, black women in a positive light not seen in quite awhile. Regarding the second and third sentences, I agree wholeheartedly. There's a sentiment by whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. that if a black person doesn't wear Fubu, speaks eloquently, and doesn't fall into the stereotypical black activities perpetuated by both the white pop-culture media and ignorant blacks that gobble up said media and believe they're "keeping it real". Also, you have to blame the media and parents for putting Randy Moss on the forefront if he looks at someone funny, but when Jermaine O'Neal donates $55,000 to the tsunami disaster, it barely goes on being noticed and gets a passing reference on ESPN that lasts about 2.4 seconds. Anyway, to end this post on a humorous note, I believe Chris Rock said it best when he said, "I love black people, but I f***ing hate n*****s." He went on to explain the comment, but I'm sure you'll understand what he means. 669757[/snapback] well said. i agree with both paragraphs.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice 669413[/snapback] Alrighty, I'm cocked, locked and ready to rock. Regarding the first sentence, Condeleeza Rice is not trying to be white. She's not trying to be anything. She's one thing, intelligent. White isn't synonomous with intelligence, nor is black with ignorance/stupidity. For that, I give Miss Rice credit. She's an intellectual of the highest degree and a brilliant person that represents strong, black women in a positive light not seen in quite awhile. Regarding the second and third sentences, I agree wholeheartedly. There's a sentiment by whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. that if a black person doesn't wear Fubu, speaks eloquently, and doesn't fall into the stereotypical black activities perpetuated by both the white pop-culture media and ignorant blacks that gobble up said media and believe they're "keeping it real". Also, you have to blame the media and parents for putting Randy Moss on the forefront if he looks at someone funny, but when Jermaine O'Neal donates $55,000 to the tsunami disaster, it barely goes on being noticed and gets a passing reference on ESPN that lasts about 2.4 seconds. Anyway, to end this post on a humorous note, I believe Chris Rock said it best when he said, "I love black people, but I f***ing hate n*****s." He went on to explain the comment, but I'm sure you'll understand what he means. 669757[/snapback] no need to argue here thats pretty much what i intended to say. In my opinion its a huge problem that young minority children are almost forced b ythe media and pop culture to look up to certain people. F_m's point seemed like he was defending agaisnt an argument that no one offered. I do not deny that hardships of growing up poor, i myself did as well. I, like Fritz disagree with the way that our pop culture and media portray minorities. And I did see that Chris Rock show and it was very funny, but he was right on the money with some of the comments he made.
January 27, 200521 yr Congrats to her, and very cool that it's the first foxy black woman to be Sec. of State. I have a feeling the Dems might not be dissatisfied with her 669293[/snapback] They'll hate her. She's a Bush hardliner through and through. At least Powell disagreed sometimes. 669356[/snapback] The problem is condi is trying to be white. In this country if a person is black and they dont have a particular mentality they are considered 'sell-outs' , 'uncle toms' etc. Too bad black children look up to randy moss and not condi rice 669413[/snapback] Alrighty, I'm cocked, locked and ready to rock. Regarding the first sentence, Condeleeza Rice is not trying to be white. She's not trying to be anything. She's one thing, intelligent. White isn't synonomous with intelligence, nor is black with ignorance/stupidity. For that, I give Miss Rice credit. She's an intellectual of the highest degree and a brilliant person that represents strong, black women in a positive light not seen in quite awhile. Regarding the second and third sentences, I agree wholeheartedly. There's a sentiment by whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. that if a black person doesn't wear Fubu, speaks eloquently, and doesn't fall into the stereotypical black activities perpetuated by both the white pop-culture media and ignorant blacks that gobble up said media and believe they're "keeping it real". Also, you have to blame the media and parents for putting Randy Moss on the forefront if he looks at someone funny, but when Jermaine O'Neal donates $55,000 to the tsunami disaster, it barely goes on being noticed and gets a passing reference on ESPN that lasts about 2.4 seconds. Anyway, to end this post on a humorous note, I believe Chris Rock said it best when he said, "I love black people, but I f***ing hate n*****s." He went on to explain the comment, but I'm sure you'll understand what he means. 669757[/snapback] :thumbup
January 28, 200521 yr F_m's point seemed like he was defending agaisnt an argument that no one offered. I do not deny that hardships of growing up poor, i myself did as well. I thought thats what you were implying when you replied to Fritz saying dems will hate her. My bad.
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