September 13, 200521 yr Ok, you can start the laughter after you've read what I have to say... Most Valuable Player. This is an argument that goes back to the Shaq-snub in the NBA last season. What does this award mean? Is it meant for the player who compiles the most luscious statistics during the season? Or is it for the player who best exemplifies value, by leading his team to victory? Here are the obvious MVP candidates: Albert Pujols--Ok, this guy is the epitome of greatness. He hits HR, hits for average, and hits to produce runs. His team is the best in the league, and he's been putting up numbers that would befit an entire offense (exaggeration). He has finished 2nd to Bonds in the MVP voting for three straight years. This is his turn, right? Well...look at his team. He has incredible pitching, a nice supporting cast (Edmonds and the gang), and his team happens to produce more runs than any division combined (another exaggeration). He is a stud, for sure. But is he really 'that' valuable to his team? Without him, do you really think St. Louis would be in the cellar? Andruw Jones--Home runs are very nice, but where's the average?? Sure he produces runs (119), and his home run total is flashy (49), but his BA and OBP aren't anything to call home about. Atlanta always finishes in first place! It's not Andruw--IT'S BOBBY! Derek Lee- His team is well out of the race (just about, at least), and he doens't even have 100 RBI's to go with his ginormous batting average and plentiful HR. Value? His team isn't benefitting from his stats, so no value there. This brings me to Dontrelle. The 'only' consistent pitcher on a staff that was supposed to carry this team. If you were to tell experts that AJ Burnett would be 12-10, and Josh Beckett would be 13-8 at this point in the season, do you think they'd believe the Marlins would have a shot at the playoffs? NO! If you looked at the scoring output, and tremendously lackluster clutch offense (for the better part of the year), would you think they'd have a shot to make the playoffs? But they do, and it's because of Dontrelle. Not only through his stats does he help the team...But his effort, energy and attitude towrard the game is enough to electrify a team that has no right to be where they are right now. Ok, I'm done.
September 13, 200521 yr MVP of the team? Sure, it's a short list of him and Jones, but of the league, I don't think you can make that argument. Heck, you could make the argument (I won't, because I don't believe it, but you could) that he isn't even the most valuable pitcher on his own team (Jones). As far as league MVP, it's Pujols, Andruw Jones, and if he leads the Giants to the playoffs, Barry (yeah, I went there).
September 13, 200521 yr Author DTrain starts 35+ times a year next. 943210[/snapback] Failure to read my topic results in miscommunication between the poster (you) and the topic-starter (me). Next.
September 13, 200521 yr He has 3 things working against him: 1) He might not even win the CY Young. 2) He only plays every fifth day. 3) Voters don't put too much stock in energy and attitude....they vote based on things that can be measured, not vague descriptions.
September 13, 200521 yr Author MVP of the team? Sure, it's a short list of him and Jones, but of the league, I don't think you can make that argument. Heck, you could make the argument (I won't, because I don't believe it, but you could) that he isn't even the most valuable pitcher on his own team (Jones). As far as league MVP, it's Pujols, Andruw Jones, and if he leads the Giants to the playoffs, Barry (yeah, I went there). 943212[/snapback] That's not possible!....is it?
September 13, 200521 yr Author Ok, this is my opinion. If it were a fair vote, and if they took everything into consideration, I would think D Train is most valuable to his team. Don't come at me with the stereotypes of normal MVP's. I'm living in Utopia right now, get it?
September 13, 200521 yr MVP of the team?? Sure, it's a short list of him and Jones, but of the league, I don't think you can make that argument. Heck, you could make the argument (I won't, because I don't believe it, but you could) that he isn't even the most valuable pitcher on his own team (Jones). As far as league MVP, it's Pujols, Andruw Jones, and if he leads the Giants to the playoffs, Barry (yeah, I went there). 943212[/snapback] That's not possible!....is it? 943217[/snapback] What, Barry, or the Todd Jones is more valuable to the team than Dontrelle? Barry completely (but contingent on the Giants winning the NL West), Todd Jones if you want to ignore intangiables and just look at numbers.
September 13, 200521 yr DTrain starts 35+ times a year next. 943210[/snapback] Failure to read my topic results in miscommunication between the poster (you) and the topic-starter (me). Next. 943214[/snapback] I read your little piece... one could argue he isnt even MVP of his team, let alone the league
September 13, 200521 yr Author DTrain starts 35+ times a year next. 943210[/snapback] Failure to read my topic results in miscommunication between the poster (you) and the topic-starter (me). Next. 943214[/snapback] I read your little piece... one could argue he isnt even MVP of his team, let alone the league 943223[/snapback] You responded to the thread faster than I could reload the page. I don't mind an opinion, but at least give my writing a chance :mischief
September 13, 200521 yr what lefty is saying is absolutely true.. the most valueble player is the player to which is most valuable to his team... so i ask, as did lefty... where are the marlins without mr. dontrelle willis? not only is he 21-8 with intangibles, but he sparks the team and gives the team momentum for following games... the marlins may not be above .500 without dontrelle willis pitching. disagree??? well dontrelle willis is 13 games over .500 this year. the marlins are 10 games over. do the math dontrelle willis could certainly be the mvp in an unbaised world of non idiots
September 13, 200521 yr what lefty is saying is absolutely true.. the most valueble player is the player to which is most valuable to his team... so i ask, as did lefty... where are the marlins without mr. dontrelle willis? not only is he 21-8 with intangibles, but he sparks the team and gives the team momentum for following games... the marlins may not be above .500 without dontrelle willis pitching. disagree??? well dontrelle willis is 13 games over .500 this year. the marlins are 10 games over. do the math dontrelle willis could certainly be the mvp in an unbaised world of non idiots 943249[/snapback] Just to follow that same logic. How many games did Andruw Jones simply win himself with walk-off or game winning home-runs? 5, 10? Then, how many games did he win because he was in the on-deck circle, and the team pitched to the guys in front of him instead? 3, 4? Then, how many games did he win because of gold-glove defense in center? 3, 4? See where I'm going...
September 13, 200521 yr what lefty is saying is absolutely true.. the most valueble player is the player to which is most valuable to his team... so i ask, as did lefty... where are the marlins without mr. dontrelle willis? not only is he 21-8 with intangibles, but he sparks the team and gives the team momentum for following games... the marlins may not be above .500 without dontrelle willis pitching. disagree??? well dontrelle willis is 13 games over .500 this year. the marlins are 10 games over. do the math dontrelle willis could certainly be the mvp in an unbaised world of non idiots 943249[/snapback] Just to follow that same logic. How many games did Andruw Jones simply win himself with walk-off or game winning home-runs? 5, 10? Then, how many games did he win because he was in the on-deck circle, and the team pitched to the guys in front of him instead? 3, 4? Then, how many games did he win because of gold-glove defense in center? 3, 4? See where I'm going... 943252[/snapback] i'm not saying dontrelle is the mvp or should be the mvp, what i am saying is he has certainly had the type of season and credentials to be considered. thats all.
September 13, 200521 yr Author Here's another dimension to the issue at hand: How many games did the Marlins lose because D Train wasn't batting in the lineup? :mischief2
September 13, 200521 yr I think Dontrelle deserves more consideration for MVP than he does for Cy Young. He can't beat Carpenter on the Cy Young front, but as far as value goes, he's pretty hard to beat. Especially considering the way he's bringing it down the stretch. That's 6 starts in a row with a win now. Maybe he's not the MVP of the season, but I can't imagine there's been a player more valuable to his team in the last 30 days or so. He's just doing it all. I'm completely in awe. That said, Pujols for MVP.
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