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Look, I don't like the way this team is going......Things go well and then we can't afford the players and we go through a few lean years. We need to sustain success without going through these bad years....There really needs to be a solution....How long before we can't afford Cabs, Hermida and Willis??? How long before we can't afford Hanley???? It's gotta change.

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cabs and willis are gone. the team does not sign long term deals. and even if they do they don't honor them (delgado). don't kid yourselves. the only reason they are still here is because they are the biggest names on the team and getting rid of them will get rid of almost all attendence.

 

cabs and willis will be gone when they hit arbitration or their contracts are up. to think that we will be able to afford cabs (one of the better hitters in the league) and willis (poised to be a perineal all star) is ludacris. sorry folks.

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cabs and willis are gone. the team does not sign long term deals. and even if they do they don't honor them (delgado). don't kid yourselves. the only reason they are still here is because they are the biggest names on the team and getting rid of them will get rid of almost all attendence.

 

cabs and willis will be gone when they hit arbitration or their contracts are up. to think that we will be able to afford cabs (one of the better hitters in the league) and willis (poised to be a perineal all star) is ludacris. sorry folks.

 

 

Shut up

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cabs and willis are gone. the team does not sign long term deals. and even if they do they don't honor them (delgado). don't kid yourselves. the only reason they are still here is because they are the biggest names on the team and getting rid of them will get rid of almost all attendence.

 

cabs and willis will be gone when they hit arbitration or their contracts are up. to think that we will be able to afford cabs (one of the better hitters in the league) and willis (poised to be a perineal all star) is ludacris. sorry folks.

 

 

Shut up

 

you so brilliantly say shut up to him but think about it....why do you think their going to stay??? Lowell was one of the all time Marlins and he's gone. Josh was worshipped by the board and he's gone...did you for a second think a couple of years ago they'd ever leave??? I begin to fear that until this team gets settled into a good situation...you've got a max of 5 years with a player before he leaves and even that is being generous.

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Because the team either won't be here when they are FA or they will have a stadium deal here.

 

It's a totally different situation.

 

Neither of these guys are free agents until after things will be settled. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

 

Absolutely correct Hugg.

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cabs and willis are gone. the team does not sign long term deals. and even if they do they don't honor them (delgado). don't kid yourselves. the only reason they are still here is because they are the biggest names on the team and getting rid of them will get rid of almost all attendence.

 

cabs and willis will be gone when they hit arbitration or their contracts are up. to think that we will be able to afford cabs (one of the better hitters in the league) and willis (poised to be a perineal all star) is ludacris. sorry folks.

 

 

Shut up

 

you so brilliantly say shut up to him but think about it....why do you think their going to stay??? Lowell was one of the all time Marlins and he's gone. Josh was worshipped by the board and he's gone...did you for a second think a couple of years ago they'd ever leave??? I begin to fear that until this team gets settled into a good situation...you've got a max of 5 years with a player before he leaves and even that is being generous.

 

I was saying shut up because of the smartass context of his post.

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It will be that way until a new stadium is built.

 

 

No, it won't. The Pirates have a brand new stadium and still can't keep their best players when they reach free agency. The stadium will only allow for some revenue stability, that's it. It the whole business side and mentality behind the issue that will have the biggest impact on whether or not we can keep our best players. The Royals, for example, have no intention of investing the money they get from revenue sharing in keeping their best players or fielding a better team. They always finish last in the standings, which allows them to have the best position in the draft, get the best players, develop them, and them sell them to the highest bidder. The money they get from revenue sharing goes straight into the owners' pocket. If you keep this type of business mentality there is not much a new stadium can do for you.

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Because the team either won't be here when they are FA or they will have a stadium deal here.

 

It's a totally different situation.

 

Neither of these guys are free agents until after things will be settled. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

 

 

We said that about Beckett and Lowell...that didn't work out well.

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It will be that way until a new stadium is built.

 

 

No, it won't. The Pirates have a brand new stadium and still can't keep their best players when they reach free agency. The stadium will only allow for some revenue stability, that's it. It the whole business side and mentality behind the issue that will have the biggest impact on whether or not we can keep our best players. The Royals, for example, have no intention of investing the money they get from revenue sharing in keeping their best players or fielding a better team. They always finish last in the standings, which allows them to have the best position in the draft, get the best players, develop them, and them sell them to the highest bidder. The money they get from revenue sharing goes straight into the owners' pocket. If you keep this type of business mentality there is not much a new stadium can do for you.

correct. the way baseball economics works high player turnover is just part of most teams

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It will be that way until a new stadium is built.

 

 

No, it won't. The Pirates have a brand new stadium and still can't keep their best players when they reach free agency. The stadium will only allow for some revenue stability, that's it. It the whole business side and mentality behind the issue that will have the biggest impact on whether or not we can keep our best players. The Royals, for example, have no intention of investing the money they get from revenue sharing in keeping their best players or fielding a better team. They always finish last in the standings, which allows them to have the best position in the draft, get the best players, develop them, and them sell them to the highest bidder. The money they get from revenue sharing goes straight into the owners' pocket. If you keep this type of business mentality there is not much a new stadium can do for you.

Unlike Pittsburgh or Kansas City, we have an owner who has shown he cares about winning.

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It will be that way until a new stadium is built.

No, it won't. The Pirates have a brand new stadium and still can't keep their best players when they reach free agency. The stadium will only allow for some revenue stability, that's it. It the whole business side and mentality behind the issue that will have the biggest impact on whether or not we can keep our best players. The Royals, for example, have no intention of investing the money they get from revenue sharing in keeping their best players or fielding a better team. They always finish last in the standings, which allows them to have the best position in the draft, get the best players, develop them, and them sell them to the highest bidder. The money they get from revenue sharing goes straight into the owners' pocket. If you keep this type of business mentality there is not much a new stadium can do for you.Difference here is that the biggest issue is a new stadium, but for the reason that the one we currently play in has the worst lease in the history of sports. The team makes close to no money there, and they need the new stadium just to stabilize themselves. It's not the same situation here as it is in those two places.

 

Plus, our problem is the team president, not the owner.

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