do you know that the night the Marlins clinched the wild card, there may have been 15,000 on hand to see it? It was raining, but they were trying to clinch a spot in the f***ing playoffs for the love of God! If people aren't going to show up for that, or any of the other games in the second half of '03 and all of '04, then all the excuses and reasons in the world add up to doo doo.

yea...the facts are there...attendence slightly...only slightly increased in September of 2003...and then in October they had 50K+...its sad. The Yankees had 50K+ Saturday and at least 20K stayed until the game was called...dedication.

 

Yea, I love being compared to the New York market and the Yankees. Steinbrenner=Loria- LOL. I have been around a lot longer than you, probably, and no one seems to remember the dog days of the franchise drawing 15-20000, just like Wrigley in the early 80's averaging 9,000. Or the white sox last year averaging less than THE MARLINS in 97, but the Marlins fans are still ripped to this day about the 97 attendance. Good comparison, tell you what, get rid of all the players on the yankees, bring up 20 rookies and tell the fans to wait a few years to win-then compare the market of 10 million people to S. Florida.

 

You're totally missing the point Mr. "I've been around a lot longer than you". Loria spent money last year and put together a pretty hefty payroll. I'd say that is a commitment to win right?? Where were the people? I went to 35 games last year before I had to move (not one Rain Out by the way) and aside from Friday and Saturday nights, the story remained the same. A big ass ocean of orange plastic seats. So why don't you go buy a ticket, like I would if I still lived there, and quit making excuses. :thumbup

do you know that the night the Marlins clinched the wild card, there may have been 15,000 on hand to see it? It was raining, but they were trying to clinch a spot in the f***ing playoffs for the love of God! If people aren't going to show up for that, or any of the other games in the second half of '03 and all of '04, then all the excuses and reasons in the world add up to doo doo.

yea...the facts are there...attendence slightly...only slightly increased in September of 2003...and then in October they had 50K+...its sad. The Yankees had 50K+ Saturday and at least 20K stayed until the game was called...dedication.

 

Yea, I love being compared to the New York market and the Yankees. Steinbrenner=Loria- LOL. I have been around a lot longer than you, probably, and no one seems to remember the dog days of the franchise drawing 15-20000, just like Wrigley in the early 80's averaging 9,000. Or the white sox last year averaging less than THE MARLINS in 97, but the Marlins fans are still ripped to this day about the 97 attendance. Good comparison, tell you what, get rid of all the players on the yankees, bring up 20 rookies and tell the fans to wait a few years to win-then compare the market of 10 million people to S. Florida.

 

You're totally missing the point Mr. "I've been around a lot longer than you". Loria spent money last year and put together a pretty hefty payroll. I'd say that is a commitment to win right?? Where were the people? I went to 35 games last year before I had to move (not one Rain Out by the way) and aside from Friday and Saturday nights, the story remained the same. A big ass ocean of orange plastic seats. So why don't you go buy a ticket, like I would if I still lived there, and quit making excuses. :thumbup

 

You, not me, made the comparison to the NY market. I just took issue with it. As for your credibility, a committment is more than 2 years. Glad you went to about 35 games last year, I commend you for that-how many years have you been going to the games? Notice I put it in the form of a question, meaning I do not make statements, like you do, that you have no way of backing up. How do you know how many games I go to? You don't, yet you made the statement as a matter of fact. Well, Mr. "I used to go to games but now I don't because I moved so now I can rip you without knowing what I am talking about", this is just for you-Me, I, my family, season tix holders since 1993-that means from the start. Done, finished,

do you know that the night the Marlins clinched the wild card, there may have been 15,000 on hand to see it? It was raining, but they were trying to clinch a spot in the f***ing playoffs for the love of God! If people aren't going to show up for that, or any of the other games in the second half of '03 and all of '04, then all the excuses and reasons in the world add up to doo doo.

yea...the facts are there...attendence slightly...only slightly increased in September of 2003...and then in October they had 50K+...its sad. The Yankees had 50K+ Saturday and at least 20K stayed until the game was called...dedication.

 

Yea, I love being compared to the New York market and the Yankees. Steinbrenner=Loria- LOL. I have been around a lot longer than you, probably, and no one seems to remember the dog days of the franchise drawing 15-20000, just like Wrigley in the early 80's averaging 9,000. Or the white sox last year averaging less than THE MARLINS in 97, but the Marlins fans are still ripped to this day about the 97 attendance. Good comparison, tell you what, get rid of all the players on the yankees, bring up 20 rookies and tell the fans to wait a few years to win-then compare the market of 10 million people to S. Florida.

 

You're totally missing the point Mr. "I've been around a lot longer than you". Loria spent money last year and put together a pretty hefty payroll. I'd say that is a commitment to win right?? Where were the people? I went to 35 games last year before I had to move (not one Rain Out by the way) and aside from Friday and Saturday nights, the story remained the same. A big ass ocean of orange plastic seats. So why don't you go buy a ticket, like I would if I still lived there, and quit making excuses. :thumbup

 

I dont know much about your background, but it seems you havent lived in miami for most of your life, by the way youre making your responses. Anyway, everyone on this site goes to the games. These 'excuses' are the facts as to why other people who aren't diehard fans dont go. The attendance had been increasing every year`after 2002. Its stupid and ridiculous to think that after a team whos marketing pitch since 1993 has been 'lets build a new stadium or if not we leave town' is going to get such a major increase just b/c they won 1 world series. Notice i didnt say two, b/c the 1998 fire sale negates anything positive the first series did. It only created more doubt and cynicism. After 2003 the fans WERE coming to the park, and if you know anything about economics, which I suspect you do, it takes time for a new business to start making profits. Add the bad stadium, the locaiton, the lease, the weather, and that everytime a semblance of certainty begins to arise, the san antonio/las vegas/charlotte or wherevr else rumors start to develop and the team has another firesale. Start analyzing facts instead of using the cop out response "The fans here just suck" Again I ask you to compare the Marlins to every other team (if you can find one) thats in a similar situation, 13 year existence, 2 good years followed by 2 firesales, constant threat of moving and contraction (when contraction was still a problem). Then realize that the marlins last year and the year before had excellent tV ratings, so the problem is clearly NOT the fans., its the stadium, the ownership and the team.

do you know that the night the Marlins clinched the wild card, there may have been 15,000 on hand to see it? It was raining, but they were trying to clinch a spot in the f***ing playoffs for the love of God! If people aren't going to show up for that, or any of the other games in the second half of '03 and all of '04, then all the excuses and reasons in the world add up to doo doo.

yea...the facts are there...attendence slightly...only slightly increased in September of 2003...and then in October they had 50K+...its sad. The Yankees had 50K+ Saturday and at least 20K stayed until the game was called...dedication.

 

Yea, I love being compared to the New York market and the Yankees. Steinbrenner=Loria- LOL. I have been around a lot longer than you, probably, and no one seems to remember the dog days of the franchise drawing 15-20000, just like Wrigley in the early 80's averaging 9,000. Or the white sox last year averaging less than THE MARLINS in 97, but the Marlins fans are still ripped to this day about the 97 attendance. Good comparison, tell you what, get rid of all the players on the yankees, bring up 20 rookies and tell the fans to wait a few years to win-then compare the market of 10 million people to S. Florida.

 

You're totally missing the point Mr. "I've been around a lot longer than you". Loria spent money last year and put together a pretty hefty payroll. I'd say that is a commitment to win right?? Where were the people? I went to 35 games last year before I had to move (not one Rain Out by the way) and aside from Friday and Saturday nights, the story remained the same. A big ass ocean of orange plastic seats. So why don't you go buy a ticket, like I would if I still lived there, and quit making excuses. :thumbup

 

I dont know much about your background, but it seems you havent lived in miami for most of your life, by the way youre making your responses. Anyway, everyone on this site goes to the games. These 'excuses' are the facts as to why other people who aren't diehard fans dont go. The attendance had been increasing every year`after 2002. Its stupid and ridiculous to think that after a team whos marketing pitch since 1993 has been 'lets build a new stadium or if not we leave town' is going to get such a major increase just b/c they won 1 world series. Notice i didnt say two, b/c the 1998 fire sale negates anything positive the first series did. It only created more doubt and cynicism. After 2003 the fans WERE coming to the park, and if you know anything about economics, which I suspect you do, it takes time for a new business to start making profits. Add the bad stadium, the locaiton, the lease, the weather, and that everytime a semblance of certainty begins to arise, the san antonio/las vegas/charlotte or wherevr else rumors start to develop and the team has another firesale. Start analyzing facts instead of using the cop out response "The fans here just suck" Again I ask you to compare the Marlins to every other team (if you can find one) thats in a similar situation, 13 year existence, 2 good years followed by 2 firesales, constant threat of moving and contraction (when contraction was still a problem). Then realize that the marlins last year and the year before had excellent tV ratings, so the problem is clearly NOT the fans., its the stadium, the ownership and the team.

 

Quit feeling sorry for yourself and enjoy having a major league team. I'd be willing to bet the farm that if Loria announced a stadium deal today and said the team will remain in Miami for the next 35 years, the attendance increase would barely be noticeable.

 

Anyway, this topic is tired. It has been rehashed 5 million times and that was the point of my original post a few days back. The arguments go round and round with no conclusion so lets agree to disagree.

do you know that the night the Marlins clinched the wild card, there may have been 15,000 on hand to see it? It was raining, but they were trying to clinch a spot in the f***ing playoffs for the love of God! If people aren't going to show up for that, or any of the other games in the second half of '03 and all of '04, then all the excuses and reasons in the world add up to doo doo.

yea...the facts are there...attendence slightly...only slightly increased in September of 2003...and then in October they had 50K+...its sad. The Yankees had 50K+ Saturday and at least 20K stayed until the game was called...dedication.

 

Yea, I love being compared to the New York market and the Yankees. Steinbrenner=Loria- LOL. I have been around a lot longer than you, probably, and no one seems to remember the dog days of the franchise drawing 15-20000, just like Wrigley in the early 80's averaging 9,000. Or the white sox last year averaging less than THE MARLINS in 97, but the Marlins fans are still ripped to this day about the 97 attendance. Good comparison, tell you what, get rid of all the players on the yankees, bring up 20 rookies and tell the fans to wait a few years to win-then compare the market of 10 million people to S. Florida.

 

You're totally missing the point Mr. "I've been around a lot longer than you". Loria spent money last year and put together a pretty hefty payroll. I'd say that is a commitment to win right?? Where were the people? I went to 35 games last year before I had to move (not one Rain Out by the way) and aside from Friday and Saturday nights, the story remained the same. A big ass ocean of orange plastic seats. So why don't you go buy a ticket, like I would if I still lived there, and quit making excuses. :thumbup

 

I dont know much about your background, but it seems you havent lived in miami for most of your life, by the way youre making your responses. Anyway, everyone on this site goes to the games. These 'excuses' are the facts as to why other people who aren't diehard fans dont go. The attendance had been increasing every year`after 2002. Its stupid and ridiculous to think that after a team whos marketing pitch since 1993 has been 'lets build a new stadium or if not we leave town' is going to get such a major increase just b/c they won 1 world series. Notice i didnt say two, b/c the 1998 fire sale negates anything positive the first series did. It only created more doubt and cynicism. After 2003 the fans WERE coming to the park, and if you know anything about economics, which I suspect you do, it takes time for a new business to start making profits. Add the bad stadium, the locaiton, the lease, the weather, and that everytime a semblance of certainty begins to arise, the san antonio/las vegas/charlotte or wherevr else rumors start to develop and the team has another firesale. Start analyzing facts instead of using the cop out response "The fans here just suck" Again I ask you to compare the Marlins to every other team (if you can find one) thats in a similar situation, 13 year existence, 2 good years followed by 2 firesales, constant threat of moving and contraction (when contraction was still a problem). Then realize that the marlins last year and the year before had excellent tV ratings, so the problem is clearly NOT the fans., its the stadium, the ownership and the team.

 

Quit feeling sorry for yourself and enjoy having a major league team. I'd be willing to bet the farm that if Loria announced a stadium deal today and said the team will remain in Miami for the next 35 years, the attendance increase would barely be noticeable.

 

Anyway, this topic is tired. It has been rehashed 5 million times and that was the point of my original post a few days back. The arguments go round and round with no conclusion so lets agree to disagree.

 

The problem is you're ignoring facts. Is it not true that attendance was increasing after 2003 on a yearly basis? Is it not true that the TV ratings were off the scale last year and in 04? You can't write off the facts. If a stadium is built today, it will still take years to reach levels near the yankees, b/c its a new team. But it needs to start somewhere. This is the first time you and I discuss this issue so it hasnt been 'rehashed' Lets discuss the facts and I'll be happy to agree to disagree afterwards

Attendance increased modestly in 05 despite the addition of Delgado, Leiter and a team being heralded as the most talented and most likely to win the NL crown since the 1997 team. The increase came almost exclusively from the additional season ticket holders signed up after the 2003 WS win. Like some have said, South Florida comes out for winners. Really though they come out for champions, and not in the numbers as some other markets.