....any of the coaches on the wish list ? Will the way this played out this year make almost anyone reluctant to deal with the Marlins ? Will he just have to be someone so desparate to coach its like Admin Bowa or of his ilk ?

....any of the coaches on the wish list ? Will the way this played out this year make almost anyone reluctant to deal with the Marlins ? Will he just have to be someone so desparate to coach its like Admin Bowa or of his ilk ?

 

 

I doubt the Marlins will have a problem finding another manager. Most of the prospective candidates listed would probably kill to get the chance to coach this team, despite the FO situation. The question is whether the new manager will be able to get the team to play at the level they are playing now and whether he will bring in a coaching staff as talented as the one Girardi brought in.

I'm scared of the managerial turnover situation. It will influence the club dramatically.

I'm scared of the managerial turnover situation. It will influence the club dramatically.

 

I'll tell you one thing, it will be an interesting study in how a manager effects a team's performance.

I'm scared of the managerial turnover situation. It will influence the club dramatically.

 

I'll tell you one thing, it will be an interesting study in how a manager effects a team's performance.

 

And not one I am particularly anxious to see put into action, but I'll hope for the best. If there is one thing this team has proven it is that they are resilient.

Inelastic supply of managerial openings mean that there can't be a big swing in demand for the position.

 

HOWEVER

 

I can tell you people probably will think twice before taking this job, and if it weren't for the huge strides taken by the young talent this season, the job would be a lot harder to fill.

I can tell you people probably will think twice before taking this job, and if it weren't for the huge strides taken by the young talent this season, the job would be a lot harder to fill.

 

Yup. That's what I don't get about this ownership group. They don't know how to do anything with class.

Inelastic supply of managerial openings mean that there can't be a big swing in demand for the position.

 

HOWEVER

 

I can tell you people probably will think twice before taking this job, and if it weren't for the huge strides taken by the young talent this season, the job would be a lot harder to fill.

 

 

If it is a choice between dealing with a caustic front office and being a MLB manager or remaining a minor league manager, MLB/minor league coach, semi-retired or retired most will jump at the chance. But I understand what you are saying. If they are leaning more toward not taking the job because of the Marlins FO most managerial candidates will probably say to themselves, "Well, if it doesn't work out and they pull a Girardi on me at least I will have a winning record on my resume and a good chance at landing another job."

Inelastic supply of managerial openings mean that there can't be a big swing in demand for the position.

 

HOWEVER

 

I can tell you people probably will think twice before taking this job, and if it weren't for the huge strides taken by the young talent this season, the job would be a lot harder to fill.

 

 

If it is a choice between dealing with a caustic front office and being a MLB manager or remaining a minor league manager, MLB/minor league coach, semi-retired or retired most will jump at the chance. But I understand what you are saying. If they are leaning more toward not taking the job because of the Marlins FO most managerial candidates will probably say to themselves, "Well, if it doesn't work out and they pull a Girardi on me at least I will have a winning record on my resume and a good chance at landing another job."

 

Well, let's just say hypothetically that five teams have openings this offseason, the Marlins, Cubs, Rangers, Rockies and Nationals.

 

Being that there are only 30 positions, the desire (demand) for the position will not fluctutate below a minimum level, however, the preferences of the applicant obviously rank ours at or near the bottom, with it's only saving grace being the over abundance of young talent that may or may not pull a 2006 Cleveland Indians next season.

 

Just playing the devil's advocate here...

 

PS, of course, this concerns me as I stated earlier, whoever we have MUST be signed sealed and delivered before we do anything officially with Girardi.

 

For all I've read, Gonzalez' name sure seems to pop-up a lot in rumored openings and by my count there are only 3 or 4 qualified candidates (Gonzalez, McKeon, Pinella, Girardi) that figure to be out there this offseason, three of whom really don't work for us.

 

So, as I always say, unless you want to end up with Art Howe...

Inelastic supply of managerial openings mean that there can't be a big swing in demand for the position.

 

HOWEVER

 

I can tell you people probably will think twice before taking this job, and if it weren't for the huge strides taken by the young talent this season, the job would be a lot harder to fill.

 

 

If it is a choice between dealing with a caustic front office and being a MLB manager or remaining a minor league manager, MLB/minor league coach, semi-retired or retired most will jump at the chance. But I understand what you are saying. If they are leaning more toward not taking the job because of the Marlins FO most managerial candidates will probably say to themselves, "Well, if it doesn't work out and they pull a Girardi on me at least I will have a winning record on my resume and a good chance at landing another job."

 

Well, let's just say hypothetically that five teams have openings this offseason, the Marlins, Cubs, Rangers, Rockies and Nationals.

 

Being that there are only 30 positions, the desire (demand) for the position will not fluctutate below a minimum level, however, the preferences of the applicant obviously rank ours at or near the bottom, with it's only saving grace being the over abundance of young talent that may or may not pull a 2006 Cleveland Indians next season.

 

Just playing the devil's advocate here...

 

PS, of course, this concerns me as I stated earlier, whoever we have MUST be signed sealed and delivered before we do anything officially with Girardi.

 

For all I've read, Gonzalez' name sure seems to pop-up a lot in rumored openings and by my count there are only 3 or 4 qualified candidates (Gonzalez, McKeon, Pinella, Girardi) that figure to be out there this offseason, three of whom really don't work for us.

 

So, as I always say, unless you want to end up with Art Howe...

 

During the first Fox Saturday MLB broadcast after the August incident between Loria and Girardi, Ken Rosenthal said during the pre-game show that Fredi Gonzalez would be the manager of the Marlins next season (if I recall correctly). This was a pre-game show before a Braves game, if my memory is correct. Whether this means something or nothing remains to be seen, but it would seem Gonzalez is a shoe in for the job from all that I have read/seen.

What is Rene Lachemann up to these days? And his brother, Marcel?

 

 

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The team will be fine. They are the ones who play, not the coaches. Not saying the coach isn't a factor, but Joe Torre wouldn't have a fistfull of old rings if he was coaching the Royals.

Obviously, any potential manager will be wary of coming heregiven the low payroll, the overachieving rookies, and the FO's low class behavior. That means we will get the worst, or at least the most desperate, of the available managers, since anyone with another MLB managerial opportunity will take that instead.

 

The team will do worse next year, barring an unexpected dramatic increase in payroll. It's just not reasonable to believe that all these guys will repeat their rookie seasons; Dontrelle couldn't do it. That's another thing that will scare potential managers away, since they no doubt will be blamed for the on-field disaster, and they have already seen how the FO tries to prevent success, and deny the manager the credit for what ever success the team has).

 

The FO is methodically destroying this franchise.

Obviously, any potential manager will be wary of coming heregiven the low payroll, the overachieving rookies, and the FO's low class behavior. That means we will get the worst, or at least the most desperate, of the available managers, since anyone with another MLB managerial opportunity will take that instead.

 

The team will do worse next year, barring an unexpected dramatic increase in payroll. It's just not reasonable to believe that all these guys will repeat their rookie seasons; Dontrelle couldn't do it. That's another thing that will scare potential managers away, since they no doubt will be blamed for the on-field disaster, and they have already seen how the FO tries to prevent success, and deny the manager the credit for what ever success the team has).

 

The FO is methodically destroying this franchise.

 

 

Which leads back to the old argument -- Is Loria really here to make this franchise a success or to get some sort of contraction buyout from MLB ? He almost did it in Montreal and he's doing a great job here. If you follow the pattern, he's on target of the way he destroyed the Montreal franchise.

I'm scared of the managerial turnover situation. It will influence the club dramatically.

 

I'll tell you one thing, it will be an interesting study in how a manager effects a team's performance.

 

 

This is one aspect where the results of next year will be used to prove or disprove the affect of the manager-but in reality it does nothing of the sort. If the team plays well and improves, then is it because the manger is not that important or did we bring in the right replacement? If it falters, then obviously success was due to Girardi. One does not have to reach to realize that many rookies have tough second years, and a team full of them should, in theory, improve, but history has proven otherwise. Just look at Cleveland last year, a young team playing great, who faltered in the last week of the season, was expected to make great strides this year, given the expected improvement. Didn't happen, they regressed, and the manager was the same. So, the results will be tweaked to conform to whatever each individual argument is.