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I have been a Founders Club season ticket holder since 1993. Recently, a person who shares the tickets said he couldn't do it this year due to the economy. I really don't want to give these up (although I have 2 other seats that are already taken for this season) nor do I want to lose the priority in the New Stadium. Here is the info: Seats: Tickets for 2 Founders Club seats on visitors side on the aisle about mid-way down the 3d base line; Price: $4,824.00 for a 1/2 share (2 tickets to all even numbered games); $2,412.00 for a 1/4 share. That's about $60 per ticket; Parking: The price includes preferred (blue) parking pass for all games; Priority guarantee: If you stay in for the 1/2 share until the team moves, you will have the option to continue to stay in, at my priority level (which should be very high as this is an original Founders Club account from the first opening day in 1993) for tickets in the new stadium at my face value.

When you say: "Guys like Uggla, Jacobs, and Ross just don't fit this teams mindset. Guys like Willingham and Hermida have the right mentality," you lose me, OP. Uggla leads all 2d basemen in SLG, and is neck and neck with Utley in OPS. Meanwhile, Hermida is a mediocre MLB rightfielder in all respects, and Hammer, when he's hitting, is an average leftfielder. I don't know what you mean by mindset, but you win baseball games with runs, and Uggla produces as many as any other 2B in the league. If Beinfest leaves, I hope you don't get the job, OP.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb I agree with you SoFlaFish. It's not worth too that much, so for some autographed stuff, a chance to give it to griffey in person, and a picture would be very worth it in my opinion. Like Joe, I would want to get away from the commotion and think about it in calmer circumstances, find out what it's worth, and then let the Reds/Griffey know what I was going to do. But it's easy for all of us, who don't have the ball, to criticize. It's Joe's ball, and it seems to me he is wise to take time to think about it before instead of making a quick decision.

Has Maybin had a good enough stint in AA to guarantee he will start next year? it's May :blink: Here are the stats, Maybin from AA, Carroll from AAA. I know it's May, but 107 ab, with just 47 total bases, says he has a long way to go before he's ready. Compare it to Carroll's 60 tb in 40 fewer ab's. Also, look at Maybin's strikeouts: Player POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG OPS E Cameron Maybin OF 30 107 19 28 3 2 4 10 47 24 42 6 2 .402 .439 .262 .841 0 Brett Carroll OF 18 67 18 28 5 0 9 23 60 8 18 1 1 .480 .896 .418 1.376 0 I couldn't get this to line up right, so I have bold faced and underlined the relevant numbers. First bold number in each player's line is ab, then tb, so, and ops.

I have been a season ticket holder since opening day in 1993. Unfortunately, I will be travelling much of the season, and therefore would like to get an additional "partner" for my seats. They are prime location Founders' Club Seats on the visitors side, and I'd like to find someone who wants 20-30 games, at actual cost. PM me if you are interested, and I can give you the details.

Last night on LeBatard's show Samson was noncommital, then Stuart Blumberg opposes the plan, and now the City has its own plan with the Marlins as a component. It's not looking good, folks. I want something to happen so the team has a home here, but I am not going to count on it. I don't think all of our politicians form the different jurisdictions and entities involved ever are going to agree upon a proposal that the Marlins will accept. But I hope I am wrong.

The marlins obviously have a funding mechanism in place or you wouldn't have had this announcement today. Whether it is a loan they have secured, an equity partner or wherever. The tax ramifications are complicated if a loan is involved (unless, say it isn't so MLB stepped up?? just guessing) I'm thnking this because the Marlins make no rent payments under this plan so they must be servicing debt instead. As I said, the other day the PSFT had grown to a point where there was enough money to build three stadiums and if you'll notice the parking garage is back. Keep in mind btw, MLB owns 20% of the profits the Marlins make in the first five years of a new stadium. I'm assuming that the Marlins were familiar with what this plan was going to be prior to the announcement. Hopefully the fact that they know have to pay $155 upfront wasn't just sprung on them tonight...The article kind of makes it sound like it was, but that can't be the case, right? According to the Memo, the Marlins are still reviewing the Agreement, as is the City. So we are still far from having a stadium in the works. Obviously, the Marlins and MLB want a deal, it just has to be a deal that works from their perspective. They rightly do not feel obligated to lose money just so they will be considered "good owners" by a few fans and pundits. Expect many proposals from the team and the City that will make it a challenge to get this done. That said, I hope the Marlins and MLB can move from this, to a final deal acceptable to all. But that will take the agreement of our local politicos, who are notorious for gumming up the works. The "concerns" expressed by 2 County Commissioners, coupled with the ongoing "review" of the Agreement by the City, do not bode well for this particular plan.

I have been on this board for about 5 years now . Im on here everyday at least 4 times a day. I hardly post on here , but this weeks trade has brought me out of the woodwork. Im so disgusted with Loria and that megalomaniac Samson . I don't care who you are and how much you love Loria and company , there is no way you can defend this group or this recent trade. Rferry , I unfortunately have wasted my time reading most of your post over the years and have come to the conclusion you are here for 1 reason only and that is to stir up the masses. Marlins2003 , you side with Loria and company alot but do it in a very professional and educated way , so I actually enjoy reading your posts. For the ones on here wishing death or threatening the lives of Loria and Samson , you few are completely out of your minds . I dont care if you are a diehard Marlins fan or a casual Marlins fan this trade is a kick in the face. This trade has effected the Marlins on so many levels. There is no way in hell the city , county or state officials are going to allow their tax payers money to be spent on a team who's ownership isn't commited to putting a quaility product on the field. This trade has proven to me that The current ownership is in no way , shape or form looking out for the best interest of the team. I respectfully disagree. The current ownership, and MLB, are trying to make the best out of the situation. It makes no sense for the team, or MLB, to commit long term to a situation that is less than ideal, just because that will please the few fans they now have in the short term. I admit that, as a fan, I get no pleasure from the on-field result of the negotiating process having reached an impasse, but the blame needs to be spread around. If past or current political players had not made a downtown location difficult to get, and had not been excessively frugal (partly because of all the money blown on the Performing Arts Center and the AAA) we wouldn't be in this predicament. I would wager that the Performing Arts Center attracts fewer tax-paying citizens in a year than the Marlins do in a month, even at the current level of attendance. If you had ever dealt with our "public servants" you would have a little more sympathy for Loria and company. Despite the pain it causes us as fans in the short run. I, for one, support them, and MLB, in their quest for a first-rate stadium, in a first-rate location, with a level of pupblic support commensurate with that which we need to keep the team here as a community asset.

To me, the bottom line is a failure of local government to do as much for the Marlins as is necssary to keep them here as a community asset. Certainly they are at least as valuable to the community as a $500 million performing arts center, or an I forget how many million AA Arena. Both of those received government subsidy and are in ideal downtown locations. Loria is, after all, a businessman, a private individual managing his investment. Clearly he has the right to operate as he sees fit, and it is not unreasonable for him to expect a subsidy equal to or greater than the one the Rays are seeking in Tampa/St. Pete. It is also not unreasonable to insist on a site that works, financially, for the business. Reading about Tampa Bay, it is my impression that MLB is being very aggressive in finding new ways, other than direct subsidy, to help small market teams find the revenues that, along with revenue sharing and the ever increasing equally-divided internet take, will help well managed small market teams compete against the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. We may not all agree with what MLB or a particular team is asking in each town, but I believe they have a strategy that is intended to benefit the game, and make it more successful in the long run. So, if we want to see the Marlins and baseball be successful, we need to focus on urging local government to get it done, to reopen the downtown location scenario, etc. There is no way that Loria will allow himself to (or that the MLB will force him to ) accept a less-than-ideal situation from the point of view of the team and the league. Loria and MLB are looking at the long term health of the franchise and the sport, and I agree with them on that.

The four economists mentioned in the article are correct and because they're correct if the rebate proponents continue to push the rebate as if it's for economic development then the rebate wont pass. There are reasons to vote for the rebate but economic development is not one of them. Push the other reasons. You are right. The economic argument has been disproved so thoroughly that it is ridiculous to talk about it. The case for the stadium has to be built on other grounds, or we will not win. And the fact that Forbes reports that Loria made $43.3 million last year in Operating Income the most of any team in MLB doesn't help. The "no subsidies for the rich" argument comes to mind.

Way to go, Joe. A well-deserved award from people who know something about the game. Exactly. The only thing that has been proven by this vote is that the qualities baseball writers assume make up a great manager are not the same as those that the people who run baseball. It's debatable if those people (owners, general managers and the opinions of scouts, coaches and other front office personnel) are correct in thier assessments. They've been proven wrong in the past. But I'd never go as far as to say that beat writers (the people who make up BBWAA's membership) know more about the game, less the league as a whole, to possible make a more accurate assessment as those who are held personally responsible to make such decisions. Now could one or two beat writers or bloggers or analyst have a better understanding? I wouldn't doubt it. Just look at the impact that the work of Bill James, Peter Palmer and Voros McCracken among others has had. But beat writers? As a whole? Or even a significant margin? That's a bit much. The very nature of beat writers, as writers for the public no more than 2 or 3 teams per season whose main point of contact during their season-long responsibility is with the manager and the select amount of players he has built trust with, acts as a barrier to a full understanding of the game. A full understanding of the game is practically impossible as it changes so often, but an all-encompassing view from many perspectives, as front offices aim to do, seems to me a superior approach than to specialize in to just a few areas. The players, the writers, virtually everyone with any knowledge of the game thinks he's a great manager. Yet you still think an art dealer knows better? Yeah, right. That makes sense. An owner, general manager, front office staff and the owners and GMs of at least 5 other teams? Yeah, I do. The owner is an art dealer, who knows about as much about baseball as the average Little League dad. The GM had a personal problem and has praised Joe's talents as a manager. What 'front office staff?" Some receptionist? What GMs of 5 other teams? Joe was the National's choice as manager and didn't want it. Lost out on the Cubs job to one of the winningest managers all time, and was the clear next choice if Sweet Lou didn't take it. Yeah, Ferry, you know a lot.

Way to go, Joe. A well-deserved award from people who know something about the game. Exactly. The only thing that has been proven by this vote is that the qualities baseball writers assume make up a great manager are not the same as those that the people who run baseball. It's debatable if those people (owners, general managers and the opinions of scouts, coaches and other front office personnel) are correct in thier assessments. They've been proven wrong in the past. But I'd never go as far as to say that beat writers (the people who make up BBWAA's membership) know more about the game, less the league as a whole, to possible make a more accurate assessment as those who are held personally responsible to make such decisions. Now could one or two beat writers or bloggers or analyst have a better understanding? I wouldn't doubt it. Just look at the impact that the work of Bill James, Peter Palmer and Voros McCracken among others has had. But beat writers? As a whole? Or even a significant margin? That's a bit much. The very nature of beat writers, as writers for the public no more than 2 or 3 teams per season whose main point of contact during their season-long responsibility is with the manager and the select amount of players he has built trust with, acts as a barrier to a full understanding of the game. A full understanding of the game is practically impossible as it changes so often, but an all-encompassing view from many perspectives, as front offices aim to do, seems to me a superior approach than to specialize in to just a few areas. The players, the writers, virtually everyone with any knowledge of the game thinks he's a great manager. Yet you still think an art dealer knows better? Yeah, right. That makes sense.

Way to go, Joe. A well-deserved award from people who know something about the game.

The next 60 days are crucial! MLB wants to solidify the sport and the S Fl franchise is key in the Marketing plans of MLB. Don't be surprised the Stadium issue is wapped up fairly quickly and the suddenly Loria sells majority ownership into the Marlins to major Heavy Hitters from the S Fl area As much as I'd like to see a sale to someone with more bucks and a willingness to spend, I don't see it happeneing because I don't see what Loria would get out of it. As it is, he is allowed to have a $15 million payroll, by far the lowest in MLB, so he is pocketing, with revenue sharing, many tens of millions of dollars per year even without a new stadium. If he gets a new stadium, the number only gets higher, as do the tax advantages, and the value of the franchise. Why would he sell?

The fact that he finished the race is very impressive. He is not a professional athlete. No matter what you think of him as the team president, you have to take your hat off to him for competing and finishing this fantastically grueling race. Sure, I am impressed by the effort, if not the results.