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Now with the Rumors of Jaque Jones do you think he would fit this team because i personaly think if the marlins and going to get help the best fit would be Kenny Lofton reason being he knows how to win hes a vet and we all know what he can do from the leadoff spot not saying this would be the best thing we could do but if help is coming from outside the organization this would be a better fit .i feel we can probly fix the CF from within shifting Hermida to Center and moving Gonzo into the everyday lineup in Right or just bringing up Maybin once hes ready leaving Amezega in center for now cause hes doing a decent job thus far let me know what you think :thumbup

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Why do the Marlins need to bring in anyone? Maybin will likely be starting next season if not late this year. It seems to defeat the purpose in trading for an elite CFer.

 

Amezaga, Ross, and Carroll should be adequate if they are used properly. I'm not going to say the Marlins won't compete this year, but I never would have guessed they would be tied for first in the first week of May. However, we still need to be realistic here. Lofton probably won't sign here and cost about $6 million last season. It would be money down the toilet.

 

Just be patient and allow our own players to develop.

 

There is no guarantee that the Jones would even match Ross's production. (Yes, I'm still assuming that Ross improves). He hit well enough last season to receive a roster spot, in my opinion.

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Kenny Lofton - No

Jacque Jones - No

 

Amezaga is doing just ok.

 

De Aza is not out for the year...Maybin will be up next year.

 

Plus, Jones isn't a CF'er...the Marlins would be dumb to sign him, and I think it's just a BS rumor.

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Kenny Lofton - No

Jacque Jones - No

 

Amezaga is doing just ok.

 

De Aza is not out for the year...Maybin will be up next year.

 

Plus, Jones isn't a CF'er...the Marlins would be dumb to sign him, and I think it's just a BS rumor.

 

Jones played CF more than competently last year with the Cubs. He isn't a flashy OFer but he gets the job done.

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Now with the Rumors of Jaque Jones do you think he would fit this team because i personaly think if the marlins and going to get help the best fit would be Kenny Lofton reason being he knows how to win hes a vet and we all know what he can do from the leadoff spot not saying this would be the best thing we could do but if help is coming from outside the organization this would be a better fit .i feel we can probly fix the CF from within shifting Hermida to Center and moving Gonzo into the everyday lineup in Right or just bringing up Maybin once hes ready leaving Amezega in center for now cause hes doing a decent job thus far let me know what you think :thumbup

 

 

If the Marlins were going to spend some money Kenny Lofton makes the most sense but they won't. The Rays tried to lowball Lofton with a $1 million dollar offer and he laughed in their faces. He would demand at least $3 million for the rest of this season. To me Jones is a much better player than either Amezaga or Ross....case closed. All you have to do is look at career stats and they don't lie.

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I'd much rather give Brett Carroll centerfield and see what he can do with it rather than bring in someone else. The guy absolutely destroyed triple-A. Hell, with Cantu struggling might as well give the call to McPherson... He's killing it, too.

 

 

I agree with you on Carroll. I would love to see him be given a real shot. I think he can hit at this level. Not like he does in AAA, but certainly more than Amezega.

 

I don't agree with you on Cantu. He is in a slump but he will pull out of it. Plus, he seems alot more comfortable at the hot corner lately. To early for the panic button on Cantu.

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For all the great numbers in McPherson's line the one not often picked up on is 40 strikeouts in less than thirty games. At some time later on a change might be justified but you'd think Cantu was hitting below the Mendoza line with Cody Ross instead of .271/.323 in a slump.

 

As bad as Ross' BA at .164, his OBP is underwater as well at a piddling .186. In comparison (for obvious reasons recognizing they're in far different levels of development)) you have to give Maybin credit that even with his boatload of strikeouts and average in the mid-260s, his OBP is above .400. Even on his worst day with his average in freefall in Carolina he's was able to get on base at least at a .350 or so clip.

 

I have no grudge against Ross, never had, never will, his days here are numbered if he doesn't turn it around.

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Why do the Marlins need to bring in anyone? Maybin will likely be starting next season if not late this year. It seems to defeat the purpose in trading for an elite CFer.

 

Amezaga, Ross, and Carroll should be adequate if they are used properly. I'm not going to say the Marlins won't compete this year, but I never would have guessed they would be tied for first in the first week of May. However, we still need to be realistic here. Lofton probably won't sign here and cost about $6 million last season. It would be money down the toilet.

 

Just be patient and allow our own players to develop.

 

There is no guarantee that the Jones would even match Ross's production. (Yes, I'm still assuming that Ross improves). He hit well enough last season to receive a roster spot, in my opinion.

 

i dont think you read my post entirely i stated i would prefer moving hermida to Cf and Gonzo in right where both would fit in just fine and would be much better off than having Carrol in this line up everyday

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Why not just move Hermida or Willingham to center and put Gonzo in left or right field.

 

Starting outfielders Hammer, Hermida and Gonzo until Maybin is ready.

Willingham absolutely cannot do that. He can barely play LF. Hermida could probably do it in a pinch, kind of like how Russel Martin can start at 3B in a pinch. Not a good idea for more than a day.

 

A L/R Cody/Amezaga platoon is adequate. I'd love Lofton, but I'd also love to use the $3 million he would cost, to resign Willingham for next year.

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I'd much rather give Brett Carroll centerfield and see what he can do with it rather than bring in someone else. The guy absolutely destroyed triple-A. Hell, with Cantu struggling might as well give the call to McPherson... He's killing it, too.

 

Until Cantu collapses, McPherson is going to remain in the PCL to prove he can play a full season.

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Has Maybin had a good enough stint in AA to guarantee he will start next year?

it's May :blink:

 

Here are the stats, Maybin from AA, Carroll from AAA. I know it's May, but 107 ab, with just 47 total bases, says he has a long way to go before he's ready. Compare it to Carroll's 60 tb in 40 fewer ab's. Also, look at Maybin's strikeouts:

 

Player POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG OPS E

 

Cameron Maybin OF 30 107 19 28 3 2 4 10 47 24 42 6 2 .402 .439 .262 .841 0

 

Brett Carroll OF 18 67 18 28 5 0 9 23 60 8 18 1 1 .480 .896 .418 1.376 0

 

I couldn't get this to line up right, so I have bold faced and underlined the relevant numbers. First bold number in each player's line is ab, then tb, so, and ops.

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Has Maybin had a good enough stint in AA to guarantee he will start next year?

it's May :blink:

 

Here are the stats, Maybin from AA, Carroll from AAA. I know it's May, but 107 ab, with just 47 total bases, says he has a long way to go before he's ready. Compare it to Carroll's 60 tb in 40 fewer ab's. Also, look at Maybin's strikeouts:

 

Player POS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG OPS E

 

Cameron Maybin OF 30 107 19 28 3 2 4 10 47 24 42 6 2 .402 .439 .262 .841 0

 

Brett Carroll OF 18 67 18 28 5 0 9 23 60 8 18 1 1 .480 .896 .418 1.376 0

 

I couldn't get this to line up right, so I have bold faced and underlined the relevant numbers. First bold number in each player's line is ab, then tb, so, and ops.

 

Apples to oranges, Carrol has 9 HR's in Alb which has a CF wall that is muchhhhhhhh smaller than most parks. Plus it has an altitude adjustment, as I believe its about 5,000 ft above see level. The 5 extra homers are 20 bases.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.ballparkdigest.com/visits/albuquerque.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_Park

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I can think of two other centerfielders who killed it in Albuquerque, Eric Reed and Reggie Abercrombie. We saw how well they did. I wouldn't worry too much about CF right now. I'm not opposed to giving Carrol a chance but I wouldn't expect too much. If he recovers, DeAza is the man to keep that spot warm until Maybin is ready in a year or two. (That's right, maybe two).

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Why not just move Hermida or Willingham to center and put Gonzo in left or right field.

 

Starting outfielders Hammer, Hermida and Gonzo until Maybin is ready.

Willingham absolutely cannot do that. He can barely play LF. Hermida could probably do it in a pinch, kind of like how Russel Martin can start at 3B in a pinch. Not a good idea for more than a day.

 

A L/R Cody/Amezaga platoon is adequate. I'd love Lofton, but I'd also love to use the $3 million he would cost, to resign Willingham for next year.

 

 

Adequate is not the word I would use Lou. Money is no excuse not to get a player that can help the team now. Lofton, even at 40 years old, is ten times the player either Amezaga or Ross is or ever will be. They are both bench players and nothing more.

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Why do the Marlins need to bring in anyone? Maybin will likely be starting next season if not late this year. It seems to defeat the purpose in trading for an elite CFer.

 

Amezaga, Ross, and Carroll should be adequate if they are used properly. I'm not going to say the Marlins won't compete this year, but I never would have guessed they would be tied for first in the first week of May. However, we still need to be realistic here. Lofton probably won't sign here and cost about $6 million last season. It would be money down the toilet.

 

Just be patient and allow our own players to develop.

 

There is no guarantee that the Jones would even match Ross's production. (Yes, I'm still assuming that Ross improves). He hit well enough last season to receive a roster spot, in my opinion.

 

i dont think you read my post entirely i stated i would prefer moving hermida to Cf and Gonzo in right where both would fit in just fine and would be much better off than having Carrol in this line up everyday

Hermida can't play center and Gonzalez's arm is too bad to play right. I would also argue that Gonzalez isn't any more productive than Amezaga is.

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Hey Lou, what are your thoughts on Carroll?

 

:mis2

He might be an ok backup?

 

PCL is really inflating his numbers. I'd be totally satisfied if Brett turns into a low/mid .700 OPSing backup OF with great D who can be on the team for a few years. Anything more would be even better.

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Some of you make no sense.

 

Brett Carroll has proven to be a good defensive OF'er...that's it.

He can't hit...yet some of you want him platooning hitting 1st. Meanwhile, Cody Ross (who actually raked last year) should leave?

 

...and there's no reason for Jacque Jones. Amezaga just made a beautiful web gem tonight...if that's Jacque Jones it's a triple, since he's not as fast...and HE HAS NO ARM.

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