So what you're saying is that it depends on the individual pitcher? In other words, if you know your pitcher well you might know what is appropriate and what isn't?

 

From my perspective, there was nothing to be gained from having JJ go out there again after the rain delay. Just to avoid any risk of injury, just shut him down and bring someone else in.

 

Girardi made a mistake by simply taking a risk with a young pitcher. This may or may not have caused JJ's injury, but it would have been better to sit him.

I didn't agree with sending JJ back out there, but I don't agree with sending pitchers out again after a rain delay of longer than twenty minutes.

 

I just wanted to comment on the way pitchers are regarded now a days. There are a lot of "back in the day, pitchers used to go 400 innings" and "relievers do it, so can starters!" flying around and they just don't make sense.

All in all bad news for JJ it seems. It'll be interesting to see who gets the nod as the fifth starter. I'd imagine we'll see some changes with that spot in the first few months of the season. Now all we can do is hope that our new kids can mature as fast and well as last years staff.

That Blows

So what you're saying is that it depends on the individual pitcher? In other words, if you know your pitcher well you might know what is appropriate and what isn't?

 

From my perspective, there was nothing to be gained from having JJ go out there again after the rain delay. Just to avoid any risk of injury, just shut him down and bring someone else in.

 

Girardi made a mistake by simply taking a risk with a young pitcher. This may or may not have caused JJ's injury, but it would have been better to sit him.

I didn't agree with sending JJ back out there, but I don't agree with sending pitchers out again after a rain delay of longer than twenty minutes.

 

I just wanted to comment on the way pitchers are regarded now a days. There are a lot of "back in the day, pitchers used to go 400 innings" and "relievers do it, so can starters!" flying around and they just don't make sense.

 

I agree Juanky although the big difference between pitchers 20-30-40+ years ago was they (for the most part) weren't rushed into MLB service before their arms were physically ready. Guys pitching for four or five years in the minors wasn't considered a sign of failure before free agency came about, organizations took their time developing guys because there wasn't a gun at their head like there is today.

 

I think of Bob Gibson and so many others. Gibson had 255 COMPLETE GAMES...just think about that number...it's incomprehensible by today's standards. Seven seasons of 20 or more complete games. And he was 25 years old with three years of minor league experience and two years of under 100 innings per season in the bigs before he was considered ready to throw 200 innings. That's why guys had longevity "back in the day". If Bob Gibson came up today people would be saying "...but he's 25 years old. He's too old to accomplish anything...".

 

Just because he was undoubtably one of the greatest pitchers to ever play the game, let's stop for a minute and look at his career stats. http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gibsobo01.shtml

Just so everyone here knows, Oliver Perez pitched the same rain delay game and he started a game yesterday in St. Lucie.

 

So ENOUGH with the Girardi talk. Ever think that he's a big guy making a very unnatural motion with his arm and it was just a matter of time before something went wrong? Especially since we're talking about nerve damage.

 

He's exhibit C behind the A and B of Beckett and Burnett as to why it's sometimes a house of cards fallacy to create a sole strength of organizational pitching and completely neglect every other aspect of the game.

 

/vent.

 

 

 

The voice of reason amidst several pitiful, uneducated, knee jerk posts.

 

Should have traded him for a CF.

 

 

 

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