http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/...-race-a-factor/

 

The differences between Barack Obama and John McCain couldn?t be more well-defined. Obama wants to change Washington. McCain is a part of Washington and a part of the Bush legacy. Yet the polls remain close. Doesn?t make sense?unless it?s race.

 

What an absolute idiot!

Why? You don't think there are a lot of Americans that are not supporting him because he's black?

 

In the end, I think it balances itself out, but I don't think what he said is idiotic.

we have come ot politically correct when people can't point out the obvious.

 

 

There are race issues, gender issues and even still a large amount of xenophobia in this country.

so what was the excuse when Obama was up by 10 points on the polls?

 

there is definitely some race in this, but that's not why the polls are this close.

 

These opinions are an insult to the intelligence of the public.

 

I guess M. Obama is no longer proud of her country.

When was he up 10 points?

 

Look, there are a number of people that will not vote for him because he's black. I am sure that accounts for a good 4-6 percent of the electorate, half of which perhaps would be voting for a Democrat. Let's not pretend the issue isn't there.

I couldn't care less about the color of his skin. Colin Powell for President.

When was he up 10 points?

 

Look, there are a number of people that will not vote for him because he's black. I am sure that accounts for a good 4-6 percent of the electorate, half of which perhaps would be voting for a Democrat. Let's not pretend the issue isn't there.

 

 

The race factor is very interesting in this election. It's something that will never appear in polls and can only be speculated upon if Obama does indeed lose. Very few people will tell a pollster they didn't vote for Obama because he's black.

 

If he does lose, there will be plenty of people blaming it on race, but we'll never really know for sure.

When was he up 10 points?

 

Look, there are a number of people that will not vote for him because he's black. I am sure that accounts for a good 4-6 percent of the electorate, half of which perhaps would be voting for a Democrat. Let's not pretend the issue isn't there.

 

 

The race factor is very interesting in this election. It's something that will never appear in polls and can only be speculated upon if Obama does indeed lose. Very few people will tell a pollster they didn't vote for Obama because he's black.

 

If he does lose, there will be plenty of people blaming it on race, but we'll never really know for sure.

 

Agreed. Several studies have shown that the "Bradley Effect" no longer holds. We have not seen it in any general election since about the mid 1990s.

 

However, the Bradley Effect basically says that the black candidate will get the percentage of the vote that the last polls give him plus or minus 1 percent and the remaining vote will go to the white candidate. Essentially, Obama needs to be over 50 percent to avoid losing as a result of the Bradley Effect. If he's at 52+ percent then I think he will win.

When was he up 10 points?

 

Look, there are a number of people that will not vote for him because he's black. I am sure that accounts for a good 4-6 percent of the electorate, half of which perhaps would be voting for a Democrat. Let's not pretend the issue isn't there.

 

 

The race factor is very interesting in this election. It's something that will never appear in polls and can only be speculated upon if Obama does indeed lose. Very few people will tell a pollster they didn't vote for Obama because he's black.

 

If he does lose, there will be plenty of people blaming it on race, but we'll never really know for sure.

 

Agreed. Several studies have shown that the "Bradley Effect" no longer holds. We have not seen it in any general election since about the mid 1990s.

 

However, the Bradley Effect basically says that the black candidate will get the percentage of the vote that the last polls give him plus or minus 1 percent and the remaining vote will go to the white candidate. Essentially, Obama needs to be over 50 percent to avoid losing as a result of the Bradley Effect. If he's at 52+ percent then I think he will win.

 

 

I have read about the Bradely Effect myself. However, polls are so unreliable these days that we really will never know what the decrease or increase will be due to race. And of course, there never has been an election of this magnitude in the US where one of the candidates is black.

When was he up 10 points?

 

Look, there are a number of people that will not vote for him because he's black. I am sure that accounts for a good 4-6 percent of the electorate, half of which perhaps would be voting for a Democrat. Let's not pretend the issue isn't there.

 

 

The race factor is very interesting in this election. It's something that will never appear in polls and can only be speculated upon if Obama does indeed lose. Very few people will tell a pollster they didn't vote for Obama because he's black.

 

If he does lose, there will be plenty of people blaming it on race, but we'll never really know for sure.

 

Agreed. Several studies have shown that the "Bradley Effect" no longer holds. We have not seen it in any general election since about the mid 1990s.

 

However, the Bradley Effect basically says that the black candidate will get the percentage of the vote that the last polls give him plus or minus 1 percent and the remaining vote will go to the white candidate. Essentially, Obama needs to be over 50 percent to avoid losing as a result of the Bradley Effect. If he's at 52+ percent then I think he will win.

 

 

I have read about the Bradely Effect myself. However, polls are so unreliable these days that we really will never know what the decrease or increase will be due to race. And of course, there never has been an election of this magnitude in the US where one of the candidates is black.

 

Absolutely. I still think whatever percentage he's polling at in the last few polls will show whether he's going to win. If he's over 50 percent, he'll win.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20...eorge_Bush.html

 

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

 

 

full-fledged? WTF

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20...eorge_Bush.html

 

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

 

 

full-fledged? WTF

 

And you're point is? There are always people who say outrageous things, like the people that tied Iraq to 9-11. So what?

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20...eorge_Bush.html

 

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

 

 

full-fledged? WTF

 

And you're point is? There are always people who say outrageous things, like the people that tied Iraq to 9-11. So what?

 

My point is how the race card is being played...and not by only the left wing media, but by the Obama camp as well. He should be ashamed of his latest latino tv ad.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20...eorge_Bush.html

 

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

 

 

full-fledged? WTF

 

And you're point is? There are always people who say outrageous things, like the people that tied Iraq to 9-11. So what?

 

My point is how the race card is being played...and not by only the left wing media, but by the Obama camp as well. He should be ashamed of his latest latino tv ad.

 

Are you referring to the Limbaugh one? That one is absurd most of all because Limbaugh and McCain have nothing to do with one another. In fatc, Limbaugh does not like McCain, and it's possible the feeling is mutual.

 

Either way McCain is much more pro-immigration than even Obama is, based on the fact that he sponsored the 'amnesty' bill, where Barack, who did vote for it, does not have pro-immigration credentials yet. Obama is definitely misrepresenting facts in that ad.

Are you referring to the Limbaugh one? That one is absurd most of all because Limbaugh and McCain have nothing to do with one another. In fatc, Limbaugh does not like McCain, and it's possible the feeling is mutual.

 

Either way McCain is much more pro-immigration than even Obama is, based on the fact that he sponsored the 'amnesty' bill, where Barack, who did vote for it, does not have pro-immigration credentials yet. Obama is definitely misrepresenting facts in that ad.

Yes, that ad.

 

 

"They want us to forget the insults we've put up with, the intolerance,", "Mexicans are stupid and unqualified", "Shut your mouth or get out."

 

"They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much,"

 

"Don't forget that John McCain abandoned us rather than confront the leaders of the Republican Party. Many of us were born here, and others came to work and achieve a better life for their families ? not to commit crimes or drain the system like many of John McCain's friends claim. Let's not be fooled by political tricks from John McCain and the Republicans. Vote so they respect us. Vote for a change."

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20...eorge_Bush.html

 

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

 

 

full-fledged? WTF

 

And you're point is? There are always people who say outrageous things, like the people that tied Iraq to 9-11. So what?

 

My point is how the race card is being played...and not by only the left wing media, but by the Obama camp as well. He should be ashamed of his latest latino tv ad.

 

Are you referring to the Limbaugh one? That one is absurd most of all because Limbaugh and McCain have nothing to do with one another. In fatc, Limbaugh does not like McCain, and it's possible the feeling is mutual.

 

Either way McCain is much more pro-immigration than even Obama is, based on the fact that he sponsored the 'amnesty' bill, where Barack, who did vote for it, does not have pro-immigration credentials yet. Obama is definitely misrepresenting facts in that ad.

McCain has said he wouldn't vote for his own bill right now. You can't have it both ways.

 

When you placate to a fringe element, you get tied to that element. There is no way Obama should let McCain get away with courting the Limbaugh vote.

 

As far as "stoking racism," lets not pretend that the right wing of the republican party didn't see race as a key factor in the immigration debates. You can frame it all you want as "protecting our borders," but that is not how a lot of people took it. My impression is that the latino community was pretty pissed with republicans over that debate and the tenor of it.

 

I went canvassing last weekend in VA, and happend upon a street that was predominantly latino. A lot of people still have animosity over the debate, and want to see what the respective stances are.

 

McCain has danced around on his stance and been pretty ambigious. Obama has not.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20...eorge_Bush.html

 

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

 

 

full-fledged? WTF

 

And you're point is? There are always people who say outrageous things, like the people that tied Iraq to 9-11. So what?

 

My point is how the race card is being played...and not by only the left wing media, but by the Obama camp as well. He should be ashamed of his latest latino tv ad.

 

Are you referring to the Limbaugh one? That one is absurd most of all because Limbaugh and McCain have nothing to do with one another. In fatc, Limbaugh does not like McCain, and it's possible the feeling is mutual.

 

Either way McCain is much more pro-immigration than even Obama is, based on the fact that he sponsored the 'amnesty' bill, where Barack, who did vote for it, does not have pro-immigration credentials yet. Obama is definitely misrepresenting facts in that ad.

I agree, but you don't see the media banging him in the head about the lies in the ad the way they on McCain with the education ad and the education ad was factually correct. Obama also has a Social Security ad out that's an outright lie but he gets another pass from the media. The bias this cycle has taken several steps for the worse.

McCain has said he wouldn't vote for his own bill right now. You can't have it both ways.

 

When you placate to a fringe element, you get tied to that element. There is no way Obama should let McCain get away with courting the Limbaugh vote.

 

As far as "stoking racism," lets not pretend that the right wing of the republican party didn't see race as a key factor in the immigration debates. You can frame it all you want as "protecting our borders," but that is not how a lot of people took it. My impression is that the latino community was pretty pissed with republicans over that debate and the tenor of it.

 

I went canvassing last weekend in VA, and happend upon a street that was predominantly latino. A lot of people still have animosity over the debate, and want to see what the respective stances are.

 

McCain has danced around on his stance and been pretty ambigious. Obama has not.

 

If you want to go issue by issue and look when McCain has said things to garner the conservative vote, you'll find as many instances of that as you'll find of Obama leanign to the left to garner the fringe of the democrat party. It's what always happens every election.

 

McCain is not anti-immigration. He sponsored that bill. In fact, within the immgiration law community, we're thrilled that regardless who the president is, the chances of new immgiration laws being past that favor immigrants is very high. You can't mistaken politicking, which both sides are guilty of, and track record/voting record.

 

Regardless, Limbaugh doesn't like McCain, so connecting them in the ad is still ridiculous. That's just an example of Obama playing politics, and that's ok, but its definitely not accurate.

If you want to go issue by issue and look when McCain has said things to garner the conservative vote, you'll find as many instances of that as you'll find of Obama leanign to the left to garner the fringe of the democrat party. It's what always happens every election.

 

And McCain has been running those ads. Ergo why Obama is running this ad. Not sure why its unfair when Obama does it. Linking someone to someone else happens all the time. Outright lying is when you cross a line.

 

The right argument might be that Obama lied about what Limbaugh himself said, as those quotes are taken out of context. But that doesn't change the usual racial undertones of Limbaughs rants.

 

McCain is not anti-immigration. He sponsored that bill. In fact, within the immgiration law community, we're thrilled that regardless who the president is, the chances of new immgiration laws being past that favor immigrants is very high. You can't mistaken politicking, which both sides are guilty of, and track record/voting record.

 

You also can't take two exact positions at the same time. That's exactly what McCain is trying to do. Either he would vote for his own bill right now or he won't. Which one is it?

 

Regardless, Limbaugh doesn't like McCain, so connecting them in the ad is still ridiculous. That's just an example of Obama playing politics, and that's ok, but its definitely not accurate.

Limbaugh has been backing up McCain hardcore of late. He especially likes him with the Palin ad. Theyve united now.

If you want to go issue by issue and look when McCain has said things to garner the conservative vote, you'll find as many instances of that as you'll find of Obama leanign to the left to garner the fringe of the democrat party. It's what always happens every election.

 

And McCain has been running those ads. Ergo why Obama is running this ad. Not sure why its unfair when Obama does it.

 

McCain is not anti-immigration. He sponsored that bill. In fact, within the immgiration law community, we're thrilled that regardless who the president is, the chances of new immgiration laws being past that favor immigrants is very high. You can't mistaken politicking, which both sides are guilty of, and track record/voting record.

 

You also can't take two exact positions at the same time. That's exactly what McCain is trying to do. Either he would vote for his own bill right now or he won't. Which one is it?

 

Regardless, Limbaugh doesn't like McCain, so connecting them in the ad is still ridiculous. That's just an example of Obama playing politics, and that's ok, but its definitely not accurate.

Limbaugh has been backing up McCain hardcore of late. He especially likes him with the Palin ad. Theyve united now.

 

I never said it was only unfair when Obama does it. I think it's just politics as usual by BOTH candidates. I don't know how many conservative circles you hang out in, but the general idea is that conservatives don't like McCain's immgiration policy. No one believes him when he said the he wouldn't vote for the bill speech. Conservatives are chalking that up as the usual politics of garnering votes. So Conservatives and people in the immigration community both view McCain as pro-immigrant, for us its positive, for conservatives its negative.

And McCain has been running those ads. Ergo why Obama is running this ad. Not sure why its unfair when Obama does it. Linking someone to someone else happens all the time. Outright lying is when you cross a line.

 

I've been critical of both. and this is not just linking someone to someone else

Not to mention Limbaugh's "quotes" are vastly taken out of context. The absolute worst example in history. Here's the Limbaugh routine they were taken from--I'll bold the used quote, and the original point.

 

“Everybody's making immigration proposals these days. Let me add mine to the mix. Call it The Limbaugh Laws:

 

“First: If you immigrate to our country, you have to speak the native language. You have to be a professional or an investor; no unskilled workers allowed. Also, there will be no special bilingual programs in the schools with the Limbaugh Laws. No special ballots for elections. No government business will be conducted in your language. Foreigners will not have the right to vote or hold political office.

 

“If you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers. You are not entitled to welfare, food stamps, or other government goodies. You can come if you invest here: an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If not, stay home. But if you want to buy land, it'll be restricted. No waterfront, for instance. As a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to the property.

 

“And another thing: You don't have the right to protest. You're allowed no demonstrations, no foreign flag waving, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our President or his policies. You're a foreigner: shut your mouth or get out! And if you come here illegally, you're going to jail.

 

“You think the Limbaugh Laws are harsh? Well, every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico today! That's how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country. Yet Mexicans come here illegally and protest in our streets!

 

“How do you say ‘double standard’ in Spanish? How about: ‘No mas!’�

 

ABC's bloggers took note of this and pointed it out, by the way: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...the-fact-1.html

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20...eorge_Bush.html

 

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

 

 

full-fledged? WTF

 

And you're point is? There are always people who say outrageous things, like the people that tied Iraq to 9-11. So what?

 

My point is how the race card is being played...and not by only the left wing media, but by the Obama camp as well. He should be ashamed of his latest latino tv ad.

 

His latest television ad in Spanish is not inaccurate. This doesn't apply as much in Florida, but in other parts of the country Republicans have been very xenophobic and hateful towards Hispanics. I'm not sure what world you're living. Every Hispanic I know that has lived outside of Florida agrees with me.

If you want to go issue by issue and look when McCain has said things to garner the conservative vote, you'll find as many instances of that as you'll find of Obama leanign to the left to garner the fringe of the democrat party. It's what always happens every election.

 

And McCain has been running those ads. Ergo why Obama is running this ad. Not sure why its unfair when Obama does it.

 

McCain is not anti-immigration. He sponsored that bill. In fact, within the immgiration law community, we're thrilled that regardless who the president is, the chances of new immgiration laws being past that favor immigrants is very high. You can't mistaken politicking, which both sides are guilty of, and track record/voting record.

 

You also can't take two exact positions at the same time. That's exactly what McCain is trying to do. Either he would vote for his own bill right now or he won't. Which one is it?

 

Regardless, Limbaugh doesn't like McCain, so connecting them in the ad is still ridiculous. That's just an example of Obama playing politics, and that's ok, but its definitely not accurate.

Limbaugh has been backing up McCain hardcore of late. He especially likes him with the Palin ad. Theyve united now.

 

I never said it was only unfair when Obama does it. I think it's just politics as usual by BOTH candidates. I don't know how many conservative circles you hang out in, but the general idea is that conservatives don't like McCain's immgiration policy. No one believes him when he said the he wouldn't vote for the bill speech. Conservatives are chalking that up as the usual politics of garnering votes. So Conservatives and people in the immigration community both view McCain as pro-immigrant, for us its positive, for conservatives its negative.

 

A lot of people recognize that McCain has been a voice of reason among Republicans within the immigration debate. I and a lot of other Hispanics respected him for it. I think it took a lot of guts. But he completely backed off when he was vying for the nomination. In fact, he now says he would not vote for his own immigration bill.

 

If he's a real maverick and one that puts country first, he should simply say he disagrees with the rest of his party and stand by his prior commitment to sensible comprehensive immigration reform.

 

The ad is directed at the Republican party generally and then mentions that McCain failed to stand up to his own party when it was politically inconvenient to support sensible comprehensive immigration reform. That is all accurate. Nothing inaccurate there.

 

Do you want to know why Bush got more than 40 percent of the Hispanic vote in both elections? First, he stood up to Republicans pretty strongly in the mid 1990's when anti-immigrant sentiment was high. He was the only one in that party that stood up for us. When he became president, he put his money where his mouth is and tried twice to pass comprehensive immigration reform. And he was not afraid to tell people where he stood on that issue. Although I did not vote for him either election, as far as that issue is concerned, I had a lot of respect for W and wanted him to succeed.

 

McCain sold us out.

 

McCain sold out to the radical right.

McCain sold us out.

 

McCain sold out to the radical right.

that's weak. . . You have been completely Obamatized

 

Are you now going to get on our "face" like Obama is asking his Hope army?