False. Of all the candidates in the Republcian party, I wanted McCain to get the nomination, because of his position on immigration reform. Unfortunately, he changed those positions to get the nomination.

 

He's no Maverick.

False. Of all the candidates in the Republcian party, I wanted McCain to get the nomination, because of his position on immigration reform. Unfortunately, he changed those positions to get the nomination.

 

He's no Maverick.

 

fine, at least accept that the ad was made full of blatant lies and quotes taken out of context.

Not to mention Limbaugh's "quotes" are vastly taken out of context. The absolute worst example in history. Here's the Limbaugh routine they were taken from--I'll bold the used quote, and the original point.

 

?Everybody's making immigration proposals these days. Let me add mine to the mix. Call it The Limbaugh Laws:

 

?First: If you immigrate to our country, you have to speak the native language. You have to be a professional or an investor; no unskilled workers allowed. Also, there will be no special bilingual programs in the schools with the Limbaugh Laws. No special ballots for elections. No government business will be conducted in your language. Foreigners will not have the right to vote or hold political office.

 

?If you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers. You are not entitled to welfare, food stamps, or other government goodies. You can come if you invest here: an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If not, stay home. But if you want to buy land, it'll be restricted. No waterfront, for instance. As a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to the property.

 

?And another thing: You don't have the right to protest. You're allowed no demonstrations, no foreign flag waving, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our President or his policies. You're a foreigner: shut your mouth or get out! And if you come here illegally, you're going to jail.

 

?You think the Limbaugh Laws are harsh? Well, every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico today! That's how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country. Yet Mexicans come here illegally and protest in our streets!

 

?How do you say ?double standard? in Spanish? How about: ?No mas!??

 

ABC's bloggers took note of this and pointed it out, by the way: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...the-fact-1.html

 

Wait..isn't freshfish's argument in this thread that the media has a left wing bias and hasn't called Obama out on the ad....

 

As you post an article from the media calling the ad false. :|

At the Democratic National Convention, Lou Dobbs said: "My colleagues in the national media are absolutely biased, in the tank supporting the Obama candidacy while claiming the mantle of objectivity."

 

MSNBC morning show host Joe Scarborough is also a former GOP congressman. But he said: "I get frustrated by people who have an obvious partisan bias that don't proclaim that bias."

 

According to Rasmussen Reports, a big driver has been popular backlash against the media. The pollster found that 68 percent of voters believe that ?most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win,? and that 49 percent believe reporters are backing Obama, compared to just 14 percent who believe reporters favor McCain. Indeed, 51 percent think that the media are ?trying to hurt? Palin with their coverage.

"The media is my base."

 

-John McCain.

False. Of all the candidates in the Republcian party, I wanted McCain to get the nomination, because of his position on immigration reform. Unfortunately, he changed those positions to get the nomination.

 

He's no Maverick.

 

fine, at least accept that the ad was made full of blatant lies and quotes taken out of context.

 

No, I won't accept it, becuase the Republicans have been using xenophobia against immigrants to get votes all across the country. As someone who has lived out west, Republicans scapegoat immigrants any chance they get for political purposes.

False. Of all the candidates in the Republcian party, I wanted McCain to get the nomination, because of his position on immigration reform. Unfortunately, he changed those positions to get the nomination.

 

He's no Maverick.

 

fine, at least accept that the ad was made full of blatant lies and quotes taken out of context.

 

No, I won't accept it, becuase the Republicans have been using xenophobia against immigrants to get votes all across the country. As someone who has lived out west, Republicans scapegoat immigrants any chance they get for political purposes.

 

I just want to point out that as someone who lives in South Florida, airing that ad in florida shows how the general American population is so out of touch with 'latinos' The South Floridian hispanic experience is nothing like that of people in the southwest or west. Most immigrants here are not out of status, and the ones that are usually people convicted of crimes or overstays, not EWIs like most people in those other regions. In fact, the McCain-Kennedy amnesty will benefit very few people down here, except perhaps a few Haitians.

 

Most 'latinos' down here do not vote primarily on immgiration either, for the reason again that the key immigraiton issues discussed nationally are not the ones that affect people down here. You want to get us excited, then start talking about resintituted the 245(i) forgiveness penalty fee and getting rid of unlawful presence after an overstay.

talking about the race card.........

 

http://www.wytv.com/news/local/28423644.html

 

Obama Surrogates Claim Race Is Factor In Voting

Monday afternoon, state Representatives Bob Hagan of Youngstown and Tom Letson of Warren met with reporters.

They argue many voters who call themselves "Democrats" or "Independents", but won't vote for Obama, have only one excuse, with Letson saying, "I would say that a lot of it is they're not going to vote for 'the black guy'".

 

Hagan called the issue "unpatriotic," adding those not willing to vote for Obama need "to face that fact. That that's not acceptable in America."

Both men say they will work to convince those "swing voters" to change their minds between now and election day.

Wait..isn't freshfish's argument in this thread that the media has a left wing bias and hasn't called Obama out on the ad....

 

As you post an article from the media calling the ad false. :|

 

No, he posts the entire Limbaugh comment and points out a blogger that one can find buried on the website of one of the media outlets.

I wonder why the media isn't covering this story?

 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/...mily-conscience

 

September 18, 2008 - 09:22 ET

A stunning example of the incredible disconnect between the mainstream media and the blogosphere is this video of the interim Fannie Mae CEO, Daniel Mudd, addressing the Congressional Black Caucus, including Barack Obama, at their swearing-in ceremony in 2005. Although this video is spreading quickly in the blogosphere, you have yet to see or hear anything about it in the MSM. As you can see in the video, Mudd talks about the problems of Fannie Mae yet that didn't keep Obama and other Democrats from taking large contributions from that organization or doing anything to try to fix it. Here is a transcript of CEO Mudd addressing the Democrats (emphasis mine):Good morning members of the Congressional Black Caucus. I am humbled to come here today to reaffirm the friendship and partnership between Fannie Mae and the Congressional Black Caucus. Fannie Mae is determined to keep tearing down the barriers to deliver on the American dream and that means we need to work together with the CBC. So many of you have been good friends to Fannie Mae and our mission. You've been friends through thick and thin. We have indeed come upon a difficult time for Fannie Mae. There is much to be done inside my company and I humbly ask you to help us and to help me. If there are areas where we are missing. If there are areas where we could do better, we'd like to hear it from our friends and I'd be so bold as to say our family first.

 

It is true that Fannie Mae has lent more money to more minorities and more underserved individuals than any single company in history.

 

We will work hard inside our company to resolve the serious matters before us to put our house in order and to forge a new future. And all the while you will see Fannie Mae reaching out and listening to the caucus. Over a century of endeavor you have earned the reputation as the conscience of Congress. In many ways I want to tell you today you are also the conscience of Fannie Mae. Keeping us on course to serve those who need serving the most.

 

 

As of this writing, a check on Google News shows NO news outlet has so much as mentioned this video despite the fact of Obama being present and later receiving $126,349 from Fannie Mae. Ask yourself this, if the CEO of Fannie Mae had addressed a similar "family" speech to a group of congressional Republicans who had received big donations from that organization, do you not think the video would have already appeared on the nightly news of the major networks?

False. Of all the candidates in the Republcian party, I wanted McCain to get the nomination, because of his position on immigration reform. Unfortunately, he changed those positions to get the nomination.

 

He's no Maverick.

 

fine, at least accept that the ad was made full of blatant lies and quotes taken out of context.

 

No, I won't accept it, becuase the Republicans have been using xenophobia against immigrants to get votes all across the country. As someone who has lived out west, Republicans scapegoat immigrants any chance they get for political purposes.

 

I just want to point out that as someone who lives in South Florida, airing that ad in florida shows how the general American population is so out of touch with 'latinos' The South Floridian hispanic experience is nothing like that of people in the southwest or west. Most immigrants here are not out of status, and the ones that are usually people convicted of crimes or overstays, not EWIs like most people in those other regions. In fact, the McCain-Kennedy amnesty will benefit very few people down here, except perhaps a few Haitians.

 

Most 'latinos' down here do not vote primarily on immgiration either, for the reason again that the key immigraiton issues discussed nationally are not the ones that affect people down here. You want to get us excited, then start talking about resintituted the 245(i) forgiveness penalty fee and getting rid of unlawful presence after an overstay.

 

Being a Latino who lives in South Florida and whose entire family lives here, I wholeheartedly disagree. There are not as many EWI's here, but there are plenty of people who are out of status (overstayed visa, etc.), and they would benefit from the new law as much as the EWI's.

 

Are you Cuban? I think most Cubans do not vote primarily on immigration, but people from other Latin American countries most definitely do.

There are endless reasons not to vote for Obama(likely more so than any candidate in recent memory-if ever), but skin color isnt one of them.

False. Of all the candidates in the Republcian party, I wanted McCain to get the nomination, because of his position on immigration reform. Unfortunately, he changed those positions to get the nomination.

 

He's no Maverick.

 

fine, at least accept that the ad was made full of blatant lies and quotes taken out of context.

 

No, I won't accept it, becuase the Republicans have been using xenophobia against immigrants to get votes all across the country. As someone who has lived out west, Republicans scapegoat immigrants any chance they get for political purposes.

 

I just want to point out that as someone who lives in South Florida, airing that ad in florida shows how the general American population is so out of touch with 'latinos' The South Floridian hispanic experience is nothing like that of people in the southwest or west. Most immigrants here are not out of status, and the ones that are usually people convicted of crimes or overstays, not EWIs like most people in those other regions. In fact, the McCain-Kennedy amnesty will benefit very few people down here, except perhaps a few Haitians.

 

Most 'latinos' down here do not vote primarily on immgiration either, for the reason again that the key immigraiton issues discussed nationally are not the ones that affect people down here. You want to get us excited, then start talking about resintituted the 245(i) forgiveness penalty fee and getting rid of unlawful presence after an overstay.

 

Being a Latino who lives in South Florida and whose entire family lives here, I wholeheartedly disagree. There are not as many EWI's here, but there are plenty of people who are out of status (overstayed visa, etc.), and they would benefit from the new law as much as the EWI's.

 

Are you Cuban? I think most Cubans do not vote primarily on immigration, but people from other Latin American countries most definitely do.

 

Numerically the majority of U.S. citizens that are of latino descent living in South Florida are Cuban. Nicaraguans which is another big group, because of NACARA especially, do not vote primarily on immigration either.

 

The new law, as applied to South Florida, if it passed, I believe would benefit Haitians the most, but they aren't latino so the ad doesn't apply. So if you look at the latino demographic in South Florida by the numbers, immigration isn't the hot spot voting issue because of all the regions in the country we have the most latinos by percentage that have legal status because of HRIFA, NACARA, and CAA. So, the latino experience here is different than in other parts of the nation, and it isn;t just for Cubans. In fact, in immigration practice, most of the cases I see are Cubans who have criminal problems and are issued NTAs.

 

So, I stand by my point that of the voting group of Latino's in SoFla, the majority do not vote on immigration.

I'm Nicaraguan and I can tell you you're wrong. There are many Nicaraguans who are here illegally - they arrived after NACARA - and it remains a concern within the community, even the ones that are here legally or are naturalized citizens. I am not saying it is their number one issue, but it is a top concern. Among the naturalized citizens, they care about the issue deeply.

I'm Nicaraguan and I can tell you you're wrong. There are many Nicaraguans who are here illegally - they arrived after NACARA - and it remains a concern within the community, even the ones that are here legally or are naturalized citizens. I am not saying it is their number one issue, but it is a top concern. Among the naturalized citizens, they care about the issue deeply.

 

We can go back and forth on this. I'm engaged to a Nicaraguan and her family and friends are exactly the opposite. Let's see what happens this year, but historically Nicaraguans are the only other latino group that have voted republican consistently in the past.

 

But regardless of that, the fact that the commerical was aired here shows the American populace's ignorance about 'latinos'/'hispanics' and the fact that we are not a race, nor do we have a shared past. This misconception I believe comes from the fact that most African Americans in this country (which have been the most prominent or at least talked about minority group in the U.S.) have the common tie of slavery. African Americans for the most part in the U.S. have a common tie. This common tie unites African Americans as a community. The only common tie 'latinos' have is language. Each of our county's histories have been different. Some of us have fled left wing dictatorships, others have fled right-wing dictators, other have dealth with neither but have had to endure endless government corruption.

 

I am deeply offended by the grouping of people from latin america into a race, and Americans as a whole need to understand our differences. An Argentinian, a Venezeulan, a Guatemalan, and a Puerto Rican are not one race nor do they share the same troubles or mindset. The grouping mentality in this country is absurd.

I would agree wholeheartedly with that post. It's really pathetic.

I'm Nicaraguan and I can tell you you're wrong. There are many Nicaraguans who are here illegally - they arrived after NACARA - and it remains a concern within the community, even the ones that are here legally or are naturalized citizens. I am not saying it is their number one issue, but it is a top concern. Among the naturalized citizens, they care about the issue deeply.

 

We can go back and forth on this. I'm engaged to a Nicaraguan and her family and friends are exactly the opposite. Let's see what happens this year, but historically Nicaraguans are the only other latino group that have voted republican consistently in the past.

 

But regardless of that, the fact that the commerical was aired here shows the American populace's ignorance about 'latinos'/'hispanics' and the fact that we are not a race, nor do we have a shared past. This misconception I believe comes from the fact that most African Americans in this country (which have been the most prominent or at least talked about minority group in the U.S.) have the common tie of slavery. African Americans for the most part in the U.S. have a common tie. This common tie unites African Americans as a community. The only common tie 'latinos' have is language. Each of our county's histories have been different. Some of us have fled left wing dictatorships, others have fled right-wing dictators, other have dealth with neither but have had to endure endless government corruption.

 

I am deeply offended by the grouping of people from latin america into a race, and Americans as a whole need to understand our differences. An Argentinian, a Venezeulan, a Guatemalan, and a Puerto Rican are not one race nor do they share the same troubles or mindset. The grouping mentality in this country is absurd.

 

I agree with you. Although it is true that Nicaraguans tend to vote Republican, my point was that they do care about the immigration issue. You may be engaged to someone who was born here or who has had their family in the US for a very long time. Among the people I know and associate with, the immigration issue is very important, partly out of principle and partly out of the fact that we still have undocumented Nicaraguans here.

 

Anectdotally, I think the Nicaraguan community down here (forgetting the old people) are shifting left.

I'm Nicaraguan and I can tell you you're wrong. There are many Nicaraguans who are here illegally - they arrived after NACARA - and it remains a concern within the community, even the ones that are here legally or are naturalized citizens. I am not saying it is their number one issue, but it is a top concern. Among the naturalized citizens, they care about the issue deeply.

 

We can go back and forth on this. I'm engaged to a Nicaraguan and her family and friends are exactly the opposite. Let's see what happens this year, but historically Nicaraguans are the only other latino group that have voted republican consistently in the past.

 

I'm also Nicaraguan and I agree with legacyofCangelosi. Many Nicaraguans fled to the US in the late 70s and throughout the 80s but very few did so in the 90s and many of the ones that came in the 70s and 80s went back. Among my friends and family my guess is about half went back. Immigration is not a major concern for the Nicaraguans that remain in the US. I also agree the majority of Nicaraguans vote solidly Republican.

I'm Nicaraguan and I can tell you you're wrong. There are many Nicaraguans who are here illegally - they arrived after NACARA - and it remains a concern within the community, even the ones that are here legally or are naturalized citizens. I am not saying it is their number one issue, but it is a top concern. Among the naturalized citizens, they care about the issue deeply.

 

We can go back and forth on this. I'm engaged to a Nicaraguan and her family and friends are exactly the opposite. Let's see what happens this year, but historically Nicaraguans are the only other latino group that have voted republican consistently in the past.

 

I'm also Nicaraguan and I agree with legacyofCangelosi. Many Nicaraguans fled to the US in the late 70s and throughout the 80s but very few did so in the 90s and many of the ones that came in the 70s and 80s went back. Among my friends and family my guess is about half went back. Immigration is not a major concern for the Nicaraguans that remain in the US. I also agree the majority of Nicaraguans vote solidly Republican.

 

Looks like you all know a different set of Nicaraguans, because the people I know care. Perhaps it is because the people I know tend to be more Democratic.

 

It's interesting that you're Nicaraguan. Your racial comments kind of make sense now. Here I thought you were some white guy, but you are one of my countrymen. I guess it confirms some suspicions I've had.

I'm Nicaraguan and I can tell you you're wrong. There are many Nicaraguans who are here illegally - they arrived after NACARA - and it remains a concern within the community, even the ones that are here legally or are naturalized citizens. I am not saying it is their number one issue, but it is a top concern. Among the naturalized citizens, they care about the issue deeply.

 

We can go back and forth on this. I'm engaged to a Nicaraguan and her family and friends are exactly the opposite. Let's see what happens this year, but historically Nicaraguans are the only other latino group that have voted republican consistently in the past.

 

I'm also Nicaraguan and I agree with legacyofCangelosi. Many Nicaraguans fled to the US in the late 70s and throughout the 80s but very few did so in the 90s and many of the ones that came in the 70s and 80s went back. Among my friends and family my guess is about half went back. Immigration is not a major concern for the Nicaraguans that remain in the US. I also agree the majority of Nicaraguans vote solidly Republican.

 

Looks like you all know a different set of Nicaraguans, because the people I know care. Perhaps it is because the people I know tend to be more Democratic.

 

It's interesting that you're Nicaraguan. Your racial comments kind of make sense now. Here I thought you were some white guy, but you are one of my countrymen. I guess it confirms some suspicions I've had.

 

I think my previous point is unavoidable, that there is no blanket latino or hispanic experience. Even when discussing people from one country theres a wide range of political views and life experiences that affect those views. There is no such thing as a hispanic or a latino, other than the fact we all speak spanish and are from former spanish colonies.

I'm Nicaraguan and I can tell you you're wrong. There are many Nicaraguans who are here illegally - they arrived after NACARA - and it remains a concern within the community, even the ones that are here legally or are naturalized citizens. I am not saying it is their number one issue, but it is a top concern. Among the naturalized citizens, they care about the issue deeply.

 

We can go back and forth on this. I'm engaged to a Nicaraguan and her family and friends are exactly the opposite. Let's see what happens this year, but historically Nicaraguans are the only other latino group that have voted republican consistently in the past.

 

I'm also Nicaraguan and I agree with legacyofCangelosi. Many Nicaraguans fled to the US in the late 70s and throughout the 80s but very few did so in the 90s and many of the ones that came in the 70s and 80s went back. Among my friends and family my guess is about half went back. Immigration is not a major concern for the Nicaraguans that remain in the US. I also agree the majority of Nicaraguans vote solidly Republican.

 

Looks like you all know a different set of Nicaraguans, because the people I know care. Perhaps it is because the people I know tend to be more Democratic.

 

It's interesting that you're Nicaraguan. Your racial comments kind of make sense now. Here I thought you were some white guy, but you are one of my countrymen. I guess it confirms some suspicions I've had.

 

I think my previous point is unavoidable, that there is no blanket latino or hispanic experience. Even when discussing people from one country theres a wide range of political views and life experiences that affect those views. There is no such thing as a hispanic or a latino, other than the fact we all speak spanish and are from former spanish colonies.

 

I agree. However, if you poll Latinos in this country, I guarantee you immigration is a top issue. Of course, it varies by region, nationality, etc., but overall it is important. I think that's unavoidable.

At the Democratic National Convention, Lou Dobbs said: "My colleagues in the national media are absolutely biased, in the tank supporting the Obama candidacy while claiming the mantle of objectivity."

 

MSNBC morning show host Joe Scarborough is also a former GOP congressman. But he said: "I get frustrated by people who have an obvious partisan bias that don't proclaim that bias."

Too bad both of those quotes are coming from conservatives.

At the Democratic National Convention, Lou Dobbs said: "My colleagues in the national media are absolutely biased, in the tank supporting the Obama candidacy while claiming the mantle of objectivity."

 

MSNBC morning show host Joe Scarborough is also a former GOP congressman. But he said: "I get frustrated by people who have an obvious partisan bias that don't proclaim that bias."

Too bad both of those quotes are coming from conservatives.

 

Dobbs is a xenophobe. He's not really a conservative though.

 

Prin, of course immigration is an important issue. It is for me and for most latinos. However, if there's one region where among latinos it is not the predominant primary issue, its in south florida.

I agree with that. I think the economy and the war in Iraq are the issues the Latino community cares about most, just like the rest of the population.