Somebody made a post stating this a while ago. It's true. If the Orioles sign pudge and Vlad, nothings still going to happen in Baltimore.

 

The rangers had a better pudge, the best player in the league A-rod(who is better than Tejada) and id take jaun gon and palmiero over vlad and so would anyone.

 

So with even less Offesne than the Rangers had, what makes them think there going to do anything with out the P word. They should of gone after some pitching instead of 3 overpriced MVP caliber batters. If they dont get good pitching fast, dont be surprised if the rays have a better season in 2004.

Somebody made a post stating this a while ago.

me

This is obvious. I've been saying this for a while. If they sign Pudge or Javy and don't use that $15 Million that would go to Vlad on pitching, they're fools.

This is obvious. I've been saying this for a while. If they sign Pudge or Javy and don't use that $15 Million that would go to Vlad on pitching, they're fools.

True. :thumbup

Somebody made a post stating this a while ago. It's true. If the Orioles sign pudge and Vlad, nothings still going to happen in Baltimore.

 

The rangers had a better pudge, the best player in the league A-rod(who is better than Tejada) and id take jaun gon and palmiero over vlad and so would anyone.

 

So with even less Offesne than the Rangers had, what makes them think there going to do anything with out the P word. They should of gone after some pitching instead of 3 overpriced MVP caliber batters. If they dont get good pitching fast, dont be surprised if the rays have a better season in 2004.

Looks like sour grapes over Vladdy.

Somebody made a post stating this a while ago. It's true. If the Orioles sign pudge and Vlad, nothings still going to happen in Baltimore.

 

The rangers had a better pudge, the best player in the league A-rod(who is better than Tejada) and id take jaun gon and palmiero over vlad and so would anyone.

 

So with even less Offesne than the Rangers had, what makes them think there going to do anything with out the P word. They should of gone after some pitching instead of 3 overpriced MVP caliber batters. If they dont get good pitching fast, dont be surprised if the rays have a better season in 2004.

Looks like sour grapes over Vladdy. cubs fans are not allowed to talk

 

please excuse yourself

Somebody made a post stating this a while ago. It's true. If the Orioles sign pudge and Vlad, nothings still going to happen in Baltimore.

 

The rangers had a better pudge, the best player in the league A-rod(who is better than Tejada) and id take jaun gon and palmiero over vlad and so would anyone.

 

So with even less Offesne than the Rangers had, what makes them think there going to do anything with out the P word. They should of gone after some pitching instead of 3 overpriced MVP caliber batters. If they dont get good pitching fast, dont be surprised if the rays have a better season in 2004.

Looks like sour grapes over Vladdy. what are you talking about??

Vlads not even out of the question

This is obvious. I've been saying this for a while. If they sign Pudge or Javy and don't use that $15 Million that would go to Vlad on pitching, they're fools.

Pitching first.

history usually repeats itself, but not THIS QUICKLY!

history usually repeats itself, but not THIS QUICKLY!

were doing a much better job than we did after 97...

history usually repeats itself, but not THIS QUICKLY!

were doing a much better job than we did after 97... i'm not saying us, im saying the orioles are doin what the rangers did

history usually repeats itself, but not THIS QUICKLY!

were doing a much better job than we did after 97... i'm not saying us, im saying the orioles are doin what the rangers did o ok than lol

good comparison-if the O's get Vlad...

Somebody made a post stating this a while ago. It's true. If the Orioles sign pudge and Vlad, nothings still going to happen in Baltimore.

 

The rangers had a better pudge, the best player in the league A-rod(who is better than Tejada) and id take jaun gon and palmiero over vlad and so would anyone.

 

So with even less Offesne than the Rangers had, what makes them think there going to do anything with out the P word. They should of gone after some pitching instead of 3 overpriced MVP caliber batters. If they dont get good pitching fast, dont be surprised if the rays have a better season in 2004.

Well you got at least one thing right. With all of these great hitters, the Texas Rangers' record for 2003 was a pretty pathetic 71-91. So there's clearly something wrong there.

 

Here's something you probably don't know: the Orioles record for 2003 was also 71-91. This says several things:

 

First, if the Orioles sign Pudge and Vlad (to go along with Tejada), they will be a much better team than the Rangers have ever been since they signed ARod. I don't see how you can expect them to be as bad as the Rangers after signing all these guys if they are already as good as the rangers.

 

Second, this clearly shows that the Orioles have much better pitching than the Rangers have had. The Orioles were able to win as many games as the Rangers despite having a lineup full of guys you've never heard of. The Orioles expect to re-sign Ponson, and they have such confidence in very talented young starters like Kurt Ainsworth and Matt Riley that they are expected to nontender decent starters like Jason Johnson and Damien Moss. They also have 6-8 high-cieling pitchers that will enter the rotation over the next few seasons. You may have heard of Denny Bautista and Don Levinski. There's also Erik Bedard, Adam Loewen, John Maine, and a couple other I'm forgetting.

 

Third, the Orioles lineup is full of young, improving players, while the Rangers have been bogged down by injury-prone veterans (until recent success with Blalock and Teixeira). If they sign Pudge, only two regulars on the Orioles will be over 30.

 

Fourth, the Orioles are signing players in a down market, and won't be crippled by huge contracts like ARod's. Vlad is expected to sign for around $15 million, so they are getting Vlad and Pudge for around the price of ARod.

 

Finally, the Orioles are a high Revenue team, and the Rangers are not. The Orioles had the highest payroll in baseball in 1996 and 1997, and have drawn 3 million fans 9 times since moving to Camden Yards. The Rangers have never drawn 3 million. The Orioles will have the flexibility in upcoming offseasons to retain their own free agents, as well as signing new free agents to fill in rotation holes. Even after signing Vlad, Tejada, Pudge, and Ponson, the O's could spend another $25 million next offseason due to expiring contracts and expanded revenue. The O's owner, Peter Angelos, has shown a willingness to invest in his team when they start winning.

 

So, as you can see, I don't think it's a very intelligent comparison.

 

Great site you have here. I like seeing what other teams fans are thinking.

Hes right they also have a good young closer in Jorge Julio, and have Gibbons, and others. They are a good team. They could have being in the playoffs if they played in any other division but they have to play the yanks and redsox.

they're 2 expensive 4th place teams.

Welcome!

Somebody made a post stating this a while ago. It's true. If the Orioles sign pudge and Vlad, nothings still going to happen in Baltimore.

 

The rangers had a better pudge, the best player in the league A-rod(who is better than Tejada) and id take jaun gon and palmiero over vlad and so would anyone.

 

So with even less Offesne than the Rangers had, what makes them think there going to do anything with out the P word. They should of gone after some pitching instead of 3 overpriced MVP caliber batters. If they dont get good pitching fast, dont be surprised if the rays have a better season in 2004.

Well you got at least one thing right. With all of these great hitters, the Texas Rangers' record for 2003 was a pretty pathetic 71-91. So there's clearly something wrong there.

 

Here's something you probably don't know: the Orioles record for 2003 was also 71-91. This says several things:

 

First, if the Orioles sign Pudge and Vlad (to go along with Tejada), they will be a much better team than the Rangers have ever been since they signed ARod. I don't see how you can expect them to be as bad as the Rangers after signing all these guys if they are already as good as the rangers.

 

Second, this clearly shows that the Orioles have much better pitching than the Rangers have had. The Orioles were able to win as many games as the Rangers despite having a lineup full of guys you've never heard of. The Orioles expect to re-sign Ponson, and they have such confidence in very talented young starters like Kurt Ainsworth and Matt Riley that they are expected to nontender decent starters like Jason Johnson and Damien Moss. They also have 6-8 high-cieling pitchers that will enter the rotation over the next few seasons. You may have heard of Denny Bautista and Don Levinski. There's also Erik Bedard, Adam Loewen, John Maine, and a couple other I'm forgetting.

 

Third, the Orioles lineup is full of young, improving players, while the Rangers have been bogged down by injury-prone veterans (until recent success with Blalock and Teixeira). If they sign Pudge, only two regulars on the Orioles will be over 30.

 

Fourth, the Orioles are signing players in a down market, and won't be crippled by huge contracts like ARod's. Vlad is expected to sign for around $15 million, so they are getting Vlad and Pudge for around the price of ARod.

 

Finally, the Orioles are a high Revenue team, and the Rangers are not. The Orioles had the highest payroll in baseball in 1996 and 1997, and have drawn 3 million fans 9 times since moving to Camden Yards. The Rangers have never drawn 3 million. The Orioles will have the flexibility in upcoming offseasons to retain their own free agents, as well as signing new free agents to fill in rotation holes. Even after signing Vlad, Tejada, Pudge, and Ponson, the O's could spend another $25 million next offseason due to expiring contracts and expanded revenue. The O's owner, Peter Angelos, has shown a willingness to invest in his team when they start winning.

 

So, as you can see, I don't think it's a very intelligent comparison.

 

Great site you have here. I like seeing what other teams fans are thinking. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

 

man this mo fo came on our board and made his point.....

 

i click on this topic with a bit rage for you people to even mention the O's are = to rangers......

 

man this guy summed up everything i wannted to say,

 

the thing that would separte the O's and Rangers is pitching... something the O's have and the Rangers do not..... not to mention a great pen.....

 

id say its unfortunate that there not going Tender Jason Johnson or Moss i thought both had amazing upside all thou i thought Johnson was the s*** allready Xcept the fact he cant stay healthy maybe thats the reason they are non tendering.....

 

but with Ponson back they should have decinet pitching along with a good pen and a great offense.....

 

I think the AL East will be the best division in the game..... and even the Rays are improving......

Why are they nontendering moss??

 

And all im saying is, its been proven that teams can win with pitching and no hitting, never does a team do it the other way around. So your trying to tell me a team with R Lopez as their ace has good pitching? If lopez joined the marlins he mite have been a 3rd or 4th starter at best, ok pitching yes, but good pitching no.

Thanks for the props from some of you.

 

they're 2 expensive 4th place teams.

True, the O's will have a tough time finishing third or higher in their division, but that doesn't mean the O's are a bad team, they just happen to be in the strongest division in baseball. The AL East has arguably 3 of the 5 best teams in all of baseball. Playing 40% of their games against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays is tough, but they wouldn't be any better off if they signed Millwood and Colon instead of Tejada and co. I don't think what place a team finishes is a perfect indicator of how good a team is.

 

Who's better: the second place Marlins, or the first place Cubs?

 

 

Why are they nontendering moss??

 

They are probably non-tendering moss because he'll cost a lot in arbitration because of his very good performance in 2002. He was awful last year, and since he's a control pitcher, he doesn't have overpowering stuff to fall back on. He was really just a throw-in when the Orioles traded Ponson for Ainsworth. Ainsworth was the jewel of the deal. Plus the O's may sign Ponson back.

 

So your trying to tell me a team with R Lopez as their ace has good pitching? If lopez joined the marlins he mite have been a 3rd or 4th starter at best, ok pitching yes, but good pitching no.

R. Lopez won't be the ace, he might make the starting rotation as the 4th or 5th starter.

 

And all im saying is, its been proven that teams can win with pitching and no hitting, never does a team do it the other way around.

 

That's ridiculous. Take last year.: Good-hitting, bad pitching teams like the Red Sox, Blue Jays, and Cardinals all fared as well or better than the ultimate good-pitching, no-hitting team: the Dodgers.

He looks happy.

He was probably just thinking about all that dough he'll be rolling in.

 

Or maybe they made him smile :shifty .

Thanks for the props from some of you.

 

they're 2 expensive 4th place teams.

 

True, the O's will have a tough time finishing third or higher in their division, but that doesn't mean the O's are a bad team, they just happen to be in the strongest division in baseball. The AL East has arguably 3 of the 5 best teams in all of baseball. Playing 40% of their games against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays is tough, but they wouldn't be any better off if they signed Millwood and Colon instead of Tejada and co. I don't think what place a team finishes is a perfect indicator of how good a team is.

 

Who's better: the second place Marlins, or the first place Cubs?

 

 

Why are they nontendering moss??

They are probably non-tendering moss because he'll cost a lot in arbitration because of his very good performance in 2002. He was awful last year, and since he's a control pitcher, he doesn't have overpowering stuff to fall back on. He was really just a throw-in when the Orioles traded Ponson for Ainsworth. Ainsworth was the jewel of the deal. Plus the O's may sign Ponson back.

 

So your trying to tell me a team with R Lopez as their ace has good pitching? If lopez joined the marlins he mite have been a 3rd or 4th starter at best, ok pitching yes, but good pitching no.

 

R. Lopez won't be the ace, he might make the starting rotation as the 4th or 5th starter.

 

And all im saying is, its been proven that teams can win with pitching and no hitting, never does a team do it the other way around.

That's ridiculous. Take last year.: Good-hitting, bad pitching teams like the Red Sox, Blue Jays, and Cardinals all fared as well or better than the ultimate good-pitching, no-hitting team: the Dodgers.uh?? where did toranto and st louis end up last year?? and the red sox had some pitching, two of thebest pitchers in the al in lowe and pedro, they had much better pitching than toranto and st louis. And its definately true that teams can win with no offense. How about the braves through the years, im just saying pitching win championships, offense sells tickets, pitching is just more valuable than offense, just like the nunber one example here, the Rangers.