He was a great Southerner. I'm saying Southerners should celebrate him. And how was fighting for the Union supposedly the right thing.

 

You dont need to speak in such a tone. And NEVER EVER compare MLK to Ghandi. Apparently you just don't know much about MLK.

 

You think you know everything, and you think your website some great thing, and you pimp it so hard. It blows, your ideas blow. You think youre right on everything, and everyone else is wrong. I didnt start this thread to get in some heated debate about the War of Northern Agression. That is for another thread. I came in here to focus on the good qualities of both. Someone (i.e. you) got riled up about Lee, and brought this whole thread into a discussion on if the South was right, instead of focusing on BOTH as good citizens who did a lot for their communities.

as an outsider to this debate, i am still very, very lost as to what good lee did for this country.

 

though unsuccessfully fighting for one's homeland as a general and helping to build a few schools are admirable things for one to do, i don't see how those actions make a person a hero. of course, no one in this thread is calling lee a hero, and furman is only noting that he was an "honorable man," just as MLK was.

 

i admit that i am not one of those people who revere robert e. lee each year (i didn't even know this existed), but if i had to guess, i would say that those who revere him do so not because of the person he was, but rather because he symbolizes the south. i suspect that this reverence actually has very little to do with the man at all. if a person takes pride in the south and flies a confederate flag, i see no reason why he wouldn't also wish to partake in this particular act of remembrance.

 

if i had to guess, i'd say furman is just flying his confederate colors today.

 

i don't think he is comparing robert e. lee to MLK because, as soriano correctly pointed out, there is no comparison. REL did very little tangible good for this country, while MLK did a great deal. for southerners, however, i can see how REL is symbolically important.

 

on another note, what does this mean?:

And NEVER EVER compare MLK to Ghandi. Apparently you just don't know much about MLK.

why can't MLK be compared to gandhi? mahatma gandhi fathered the modern day nonviolent resistance movement and brought freedom to 1/5 of the world's population. MLK looked up to gandhi and used his philosophy of nonviolence to help win equality for all minorities in the united states. i don't see why the two shouldn't be compared.

Alk, you pretty much hit it right on the nose.

 

but as an american, i'm opposed to the celebration of "heros" who purpose was to bring down America, and especially our freedom as being all equal under the eys of the law, and immediate consequence on paper of the civil war that Lee was fighting on the wrong side.

 

You think you know everything, and you think your website some great thing, and you pimp it so hard. It blows, your ideas blow. You think youre right on everything, and everyone else is wrong. I didnt start this thread to get in some heated debate about the War of Northern Agression. That is for another thread. I came in here to focus on the good qualities of both. Someone (i.e. you) got riled up about Lee, and brought this whole thread into a discussion on if the South was right, instead of focusing on BOTH as good citizens who did a lot for their communities.

Of course I think I am right. If I knowling believed that my beliefs were wrong, can they even be classified beliefs? I'm just vocal about them.

 

The War of Northern Aggression? You seceded from us and you have no right to. Lee has no good qualities as an american and celebrating him is an insult to america, so I take personal offense.

lee may have been great, but he represented the confedaracy, a group that owned slaves

i know he was great, but this is mlk day, and we should try to talk about a great man who provoked change in america, not the leader of the confederacy who did nothing for equality or this country

However, when concerning socioeconmic class, many issues concerning a member from any chosen class bring ethnicity into the fold.

 

If whites refer to their ethnicity as white and blacks as black, and why in a free and equal society would we start calling people what they are not?

 

You suggest: "People are or aren't melonin challenged"

 

However, challenge implies that a given member under such a designation is inferior and deficient. Being that white skin is the result of mutation (at least according to my anthropology buddies), that means I am melonin challenged, and though my skin tone forces me to face the challenge of sun burn, I avoid other challenges that can or cannot be presented. So such a designation would not work.

 

I like the black-white system. It implies no inferiority between either party in a country who's heritage was based on a black white division. Saying african, asian, european, etc. american is too long and needless. Black, white, Asian, Arab, Persian, and etc. are all fine if you ask me.

 

 

Sorry if this issue gets touchy for me, but I cannot stand someone ruining MLK's honor by putting Robert E. Lee side to side with him. Furthermore, I cannot stand how whites patronize black people by calling them "African American." But that's another subject. Lasty, sorry for writing such a lengthy response!

hell, there shouldnt even be a MLK day...it should be Civil Rights Day

hell, there shouldnt even be a MLK day...it should be Civil Rights Day

Furman, I actually agree! MLK was not the only man or woman who's blood sweat and tears went into this. Even today the battle for civil rights is continuing (for example racism against whites), so in the spirit of equality for everyone, it really should be "Civil Rights Day." I totally agree.

Woohoo!

 

haha. Furthermore, there is no other national holiday dedicated to a single person (unless you count Columbus day, which banks and DMVs take off work for lol). What about Cesar Chavez or Susan B. Anthony? What about other leaders in the cause for civil rights for blacks, native Americans, women, hispanics, orientals, etc?