I'm not saying immediately send troops everywhere in Latin America. But make an example out of Haiti. Back the democratic rebellion and squash the old dictators trying to regain power.

 

And believe that it has gone unchecked. You don't hear about them, because it takes a huge rebellion taking over a country 14 days to be reported around the US. But if someone gets hit with a rock in the Middle East, it's first page news in every major newspaper.

Well, blame the media for that. The media sucks. I'm sure people in Washington have been aware of the situation but didn't feel pressure to get involved. And I completely agree that we need to help install a democracy in Haiti.

omg...

 

so get this...

 

aristide is now claiming that he was kidnapped by the US military, forced to leave haiti, and taken to some african country.

 

wtf?!?!!?!

omg...

 

so get this...

 

aristide is now claiming that he was kidnapped by the US military, forced to leave haiti, and taken to some african country.

 

wtf?!?!!?!

Yea I know and Jesse Jackson is supporting them. Talk about a couple of loons.

Why are you so quick to call these people loons? Is is that crazy to think the US government would do something like this?

miami is the poorest big city in the US in large part because JFK couldn't take care of castro the first time around.

 

Nobody forced JFK to sign the Cuban Adjustment Act.

All I'm simply saying is that the U.S. isn't going to get involved in Latin America to heavily because there is not enough to gain.? There are times when the U.S. needs to intervene in global issues but I don't think we need to intervene here.? It will just cost us money and benefit us very little.? If those countries can't support themselves I feel bad for them but your reason for the U.S. getting involved is not very strong.? I think we are doing enough in Haiti now by sending a small amount of Marines and trying to help get a new government set up.? We should do no more.

Then what is the incentive for staying in Israel? We have nothing to gain, but we do it anyways. What is the incentive for staying in Korea? Up until a few months ago we had nothing to gain. But wait, something presented itself. Things changed. North Korea developed nuclear programs. I can name one country off the top of my head that produces biological and chemical agents and sells them off to rogue states. Three guesses how many miles away it is. Well tell me exactly what it is that we should do. Should we deploy troops to all these troubled countries in Latin America? Pump more money into them? What exactly should we do to help them? I'm not completely against helping Latin America I'm just telling you that its not gonna happen. What is the solution to these countries problems? I'd love to see a democracy in place in some of these countries, especially Cuba. As for the weapons part I don't know but I am sure we aren't just letting things like this go unchecked. And who says I'm for staying in Israel or Korea? Right now Latin America just isn't number one on our list of priorities and it sure isn't going to be for a while. I am going to agree with NCMarlin on this. As much as I would like to think that the US can solve all our problems, it actually can't. There is too much corruption and missery in Latin America for anything good to prosper. Colombia has received billions of dollars from the US, not counting intelligence and military support. And yet, we continue to endure the longest, deadliest armed conflict in the history of Latin America. However, the problem with US policy doesn't lie in the issue whether or not they get actively involved in our countries. The problem is that when US gets involved, about 80 to 90 percent of the times, it actually does more damage than good. The economic policy the US has towards Latin America is what has caused so much trouble in our countries. Exploitation is the key word here, not uninvolvement.

Personally, I think america should have a hands off foreign policy, but hey that's just me.

I think the US should have acted faster on Haiti. Why? because of the fact that we know that the whole Irak ordeal was a hoax, and Bush's administration should benefit from going into Haiti, since at least it would be an actual matter instead of our entry to Iraq for WMD (weapons of mass destruction) and Iraqs Al-Qaeda ties... which of course we found nothing.

 

the only reason they went to Iraq was for the US to control a bit more of the middle east (having Israel already) since Iraq was seen as a threat to the neighboring countries in the middle east.

 

Also Oil ... its money c'mon now, thats what this country is about ... money, money, money.

 

So basically what did we do... we took advantage of Sept 11th in order to sack Saddam Hussein and we used Sept 11th and the whole wmd as excuses to cover the whole operation.

Personally, I think america should have a hands off foreign policy, but hey that's just me.

Impossible ... when your the king you have to help the peasants

ohh and i think the US can benefit from Haiti ... on tourism purposes.

 

 

Casinos?

Beaches?

Cocktails?

Drugs?

Personally, I think america should have a hands off foreign policy, but hey that's just me.

No problem. Clean up the mess they made in Latin America first, then close up shop.

Personally, I think america should have a hands off foreign policy, but hey that's just me.

No problem. Clean up the mess they made in Latin America first, then close up shop. That is what I call the "never-ending cycle of disaster". If the US have had institute the Star Trek premise of "no interference" from the beginning, Latin America would have probably evolved on its own. :mischief2

Unfortunately, it is too late. The damage is already done and withdrawal from the US would be catastrophic for most Latin nations. If US decides to step aside in regards to Colombia, for example, my people would have to kiss democracy goodbye and a Marxist group of criminals and narcotraficants would take the entire country hostage. In fact, if it wasn't for our current president who is actually working to get us out and the help of the US, we would have a Castro like dictator in place now.

Why are you so quick to call these people loons? Is is that crazy to think the US government would do something like this?

Well, Jesse Jackson is a loon no matter what. And if we did remove Aristide I completely support it. If he would have stayed he would have been killed probably. He should be happy to be out of the country.

Personally, I think america should have a hands off foreign policy, but hey that's just me.

No problem. Clean up the mess they made in Latin America first, then close up shop. That is what I call the "never-ending cycle of disaster". If the US have had institute the Star Trek premise of "no interference" Latin America would have probably evolved on its own. :mischief2 The problem was that the Great Revolutionaries back in the 1800s had the wrong ideas. They adopted systems close to what work but not exactly. They took the Roman way of law instead of the American, Guily until proven innocent. Mexico got to the point where religion is pretty much banned in public. They put too much power into one place, trusting their leaders. They formed bodies that were anythign but representative, instead they would be appointed by whoever was in power. In many countries elections did not exist. They thought the same thing as the founding fathers did, that the people weren't intelligent enough to make political choices on their own. But they went about it the wrong way, making the presidents and such completely by appointment. Many countries (Mexico for example) had all industries completely controlled by the government. Too many of the Revolutionaries went all they way left to counter their old rulers, and it backfired on them. That is the only reason why some sort of intervention is needed.

 

But in reality, you know what is really needed? Get rid of Castro and the Communist regime in Cuba. Not just because I'm Cuban. But because the Cuban exiles have been in Miami for 45 years. The First Generation (my parents' generation, the older people are already too far in their lives to have all of them make a difference, besides they recognize Cuba as being dead for the past 45 years) has lived in America nearly all their lives. The Second Generation has grown up American basically. If these two generations of Cuban exiles had an opportunity to start Cuba back up (the people there now want to turn it socialist, SEE: Proyecto Varela) in the model of the American Constitution, and it could/should start a Domino effect around LA once the country is up and running successfully for a while.

Personally, I think america should have a hands off foreign policy, but hey that's just me.

No problem. Clean up the mess they made in Latin America first, then close up shop. That is what I call the "never-ending cycle of disaster". If the US have had institute the Star Trek premise of "no interference" Latin America would have probably evolved on its own. :mischief2 The problem was that the Great Revolutionaries back in the 1800s had the wrong ideas. They adopted systems close to what work but not exactly. They took the Roman way of law instead of the American, Guily until proven innocent. Mexico got to the point where religion is pretty much banned in public. They put too much power into one place, trusting their leaders. They formed bodies that were anythign but representative, instead they would be appointed by whoever was in power. In many countries elections did not exist. They thought the same thing as the founding fathers did, that the people weren't intelligent enough to make political choices on their own. But they went about it the wrong way, making the presidents and such completely by appointment. Many countries (Mexico for example) had all industries completely controlled by the government. Too many of the Revolutionaries went all they way left to counter their old rulers, and it backfired on them. That is the only reason why some sort of intervention is needed.

 

But in reality, you know what is really needed? Get rid of Castro and the Communist regime in Cuba. Not just because I'm Cuban. But because the Cuban exiles have been in Miami for 45 years. The First Generation (my parents' generation, the older people are already too far in their lives to have all of them make a difference, besides they recognize Cuba as being dead for the past 45 years) has lived in America nearly all their lives. The Second Generation has grown up American basically. If these two generations of Cuban exiles had an opportunity to start Cuba back up (the people there now want to turn it socialist, SEE: Proyecto Varela) in the model of the American Constitution, and it could/should start a Domino effect around LA once the country is up and running successfully for a while. The problem with that, is that the old school Cubans do not want such a "transition". They want to go back to Cuba and re-take what was taken from them. The old-school Cubans have an idealistic view of what would be like when Castro is gone... They imagine everything will go back to what it used to be. My father-in-law left Cuba at 13 years old, before Castro took power and he never went back. He says he will not give a dime to Castro by traveling there. He still hopes he will be able some day to go back and re-take his parent's farm...

 

However, Cuba is a different place now. Even if Castro dies, steps down or whatever happens in the future, the exiles will never be able to have what they had when they left and this will cause a major conflict between them and the Cubans in the island...

But in reality, you know what is really needed? Get rid of Castro and the Communist regime in Cuba. Not just because I'm Cuban. But because the Cuban exiles have been in Miami for 45 years. The First Generation (my parents' generation, the older people are already too far in their lives to have all of them make a difference, besides they recognize Cuba as being dead for the past 45 years) has lived in America nearly all their lives. The Second Generation has grown up American basically. If these two generations of Cuban exiles had an opportunity to start Cuba back up (the people there now want to turn it socialist, SEE: Proyecto Varela) in the model of the American Constitution, and it could/should start a Domino effect around LA once the country is up and running successfully for a while.

 

AFAIC, Cuban "exiles" in Miami have no right to have any say in what happens in Cuba after Castro dies. They left. If they wanted to shape the country's future, they should've stayed, but they chose to leave. They forfeited any right to any property they left behind. If they want to get Castro out so bad, they should buy some weapons, hop on a boat, and head back on over and fight. Otherwise, they should just be happy with their comfy Miami lives. That's my $0.02.

They forfeited any right to any property they left behind. If they want to get Castro out so bad, they should buy some weapons, hop on a boat, and head back on over and fight. Otherwise, they should just be happy with their comfy Miami lives. That's my $0.02.

I happen to disagree with your statement. Most of them "had" to leave. I guess you have no idea what is like being persecuted, jailed or shot for voicing your opinion...

I happen to disagree with your statement. Most of them "had" to leave. I guess you have no idea what is like being persecuted, jailed or shot for voicing your opinion...

 

Maybe back in the '60s a lot of them had to leave, but after that most of them left to make a better life for themselves here like everyone else. The only exception is that they have Castro as a foil to claim persecution, when their reasons for coming here are the same as the many Haitian immigrants that come here and get sent back.