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id do it if I were the Red Sox, we get to finally get rid of Halama and Embree 870164[/snapback] But we would get lowell and his fat slothy contract

Drain our farm system in return? for a half-season, injury prone, rental? I'll pass 868589[/snapback] Hmmm... maybe now you know what the O's and sox feel about burnett... 868769[/snapback] bit different when Burnett has a whole career ahead of him and griffeys is winding down. bad comparison 868782[/snapback] The reason it is a good comparison is because either way burnett is a rental, like griffey. its not like the sox would benefit from burnett's season after this one if they didnt resign him... besides, griffey still ahs a few years in him

Drain our farm system in return for a half-season, injury prone, rental? I'll pass 868589[/snapback] Hmmm... maybe now you know what the O's and sox feel about burnett...

Also I think everyone is setting the bar way too high in trades. Trading for Burnett is one thing, but having a team take on a giant contract for the next two years really limits Burnetts value. The O's may be offering crap (except Penn and maybe Julio) but if a Arroyo and Mays for Burnett and Lowell deal came up thats probaly one of the best deals they could get since having Lowell really limits the number of teams interested and number of teams interested that would take on Lowells salary. Be reasonable your not getting Marte/ McCarthy, not Chachin, not Cabrera, and not Hanley. 868747[/snapback] exactly, besides havent you all been complaining that you dont want to give up on this year? You would be getting 2 MLB pitchers with 4 eras. PLUS you get payroll flexibility and the ability to add a big name at the deadline or in the off season with lowell gone.

Youklis is a part-time player who has proven not alot in his short career. Perhaps in years to come he'll mature into a bonafide major leaguer but he isn't one today and you aren't going get enough for him in a trade to justify taking him. The only reason to take him? is to package him for more pitching. 867845[/snapback] What are any prospects??? Hanley, Penn, Shoppach??? Like i said, the sox are confident Youks can step in and take over 3B next year, that isnt good enough for you? 867859[/snapback] Not particularly, no. As I said, and I wasn't demeaning the guy, he may turn out to be a bonafide major leaguer. And he may work out for the Red Sox...or he may not. For all your emphasis on his walks, he's struck out almost twice as many times as he's walked. He's a work in progress, nothing more. 867870[/snapback] Agreed, his K totals are up, but like you said his playing time has been limited. I would imagine being moved up and down between AAA and the bigs might not let you settle in very much and learn the pitchers. I am fairly confident he will reverse that trend when given regular playing time. given 300 AB in AA posted a .487 OBP , with 86 walks and 40K's that meant he got on base nearly half his plate appearences. sick.

Youklis is a part-time player who has proven not alot in his short career. Perhaps in years to come he'll mature into a bonafide major leaguer but he isn't one today and you aren't going get enough for him in a trade to justify taking him. The only reason to take him is to package him for more pitching. 867845[/snapback] What are any prospects??? Hanley, Penn, Shoppach??? Like i said, the sox are confident Youks can step in and take over 3B next year, that isnt good enough for you?

And we need another third baseman because? Not to mention with no power. The "hit machine" has 18 hits this season. I'm not saying the teams shouldn't try to patch up their differences, and I suspect Gammons only knows that they have been in communication, but beyond that (and I like Stark) I suspect he really doesn't know the particulars being discussed. The other day when Gammons was on with Boog, he was saying that the Marlins, if they traded Lowell, would still need to figure out who would play third, until Boog interjected (very deferrentially) that Cabrera would be moving to third. Sheepishly, Gammons concurred and since then he's included that in his coments. Stark and Gammons (and all the national media guys) are good at the big picture stuff and have great sources, but often miss the little stuff that is really the genesis of why a trade is occurring. With 30 teams to cover it's no surprise. 867800[/snapback] he's not a hit machine he's a walk machine i'm not saying Youkilis the perfect answer. But from my perspective, this deal keeps our talent level exactly as it is right now (AJ + today's Lowell = Arroyo + Youkilis, i'd say) but gets us a bunch more years of payroll flexibility. and re: "why do we need a 3rd baseman"....i'm assuming you're confident that Hermida is ready for the majors, because otherwise we're either gonna need a third baseman or an outfielder if we deal Lowell. and who knows if Hermida is ready....not everyone is Miggy. 867836[/snapback] I dont think sox would do this anyway - Youks is set to take over at 3b, and unless the fish sent lowell dressed in dollar bills it wouldnt make sense for the marginal upgrade from burnett to arroyo for the rest fo the season / post season 2 bargains for 2 fortunes are not what the sox are interested in.

Excuse me? I really don't need these insults. Perhaps that how you do things on red Sox boards but you could try to be a little more civil and understand there is room for more opinions than just yours. If my posts were opinions they would look like yours, I am using real numbers to back up by observations that make sense. Put some thought in your posts, so that you can defend them

Youk's Average is higher than lowell's OBP, that is laughable, much like Many of Marlins2003's posts

And we need another third baseman because? Not to mention with no power. The "hit machine" has 18 hits this season. I'm not saying the teams shouldn't try to patch up their differences, and I suspect Gammons only knows that they have been in communication, but beyond that (and I like Stark) I suspect he really doesn't know the particulars being discussed. The other day when Gammons was on with Boog, he was saying that the Marlins, if they traded Lowell, would still need to figure out who would play third, until Boog interjected (very deferrentially) that Cabrera would be moving to third. Sheepishly, Gammons concurred and since then he's included that in his coments. Stark and Gammons (and all the national media guys) are good at the big picture stuff and have great sources, but often miss the little stuff that is really the genesis of why a trade is occurring. With 30 teams to cover it's no surprise. 867800[/snapback] Just stop talking. I said on base machine. he has 18 hits in 63 AB u tool, thats a .286 average, and a .384 OBP. better than your current 3B Do some research, and stop basing your posts on a move the sox made 2 years ago. get over it!

you betcha....now we need to get that fat catcher Brown. what ever happened to that guy? http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/jeremy_brown.shtml Doing OK, but not a 1st round draft pick

Arroyo and Youklis....WOW.? do it. 867652[/snapback] pretty good but i want more maybe bellhorn 867775[/snapback] Do youu guys watch the sox? Bellhorn: YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS 2005 85 283 41 61 20 0 7 28 49 109 3 0 .216 .328 .360 .689 Yes, 109 K's to go along with a .216 BA and a .328 OBP

Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. Perhaps, Millar, but I'd immediately trade him for pitching. In fact I wouldn't make a trade with him involved unless we already had a trade for him in place. The biggest problem will be to overcome the bad blood between the two organizations. 867675[/snapback] we could flip Youkilis to Oakland in a second! :-) just because Cabrera can play third doesn't mean we have no use for a 3rd baseman...he can also play left field, too. Youkilis may not be the dream 3B (i agree with the lack of power) but he seems to be a great hitter otherwise, and baseball history has shown that good hitters can develop power easier than power hitters can become good hitters. Power is not the solution to everything - see Hee Seop Choi. Combine that with the fact that Arroyo won't be a free agent until 2007, and I'll take it. meets all the criteria: keeps in contention this season, gives us a foundation down the road, saves us money. 867758[/snapback] :goodpost a moneyball reader no doubt Tho I dont agree with moving Youks to OF

Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. 867675[/snapback] I've never been a huge fan of Youkilis, but he does have more power than Lowell at this point, and his on-base ability would provide a huge boost to the bottom of the lineup. And most importantly he makes the minimum. and you've gotta be kidding me with the Olerud in left thing. Talk about a guy with no power, and certainly a liability if he's in left. 867730[/snapback] Oh wow, marlins2003 continues to show his intelligence, i didnt even notice he wanted to platoon Olerud in left... Olerud is one of, if not the slowest player on any MLB roster. good luck with that

TAKE IT AND RUN isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract Aren't the Yankees already paying a huge part of Contreras' contract anyways? 867710[/snapback] In return, the Yankees get Esteban Loaiza who was 21-9 last year with an impressive 2.90 ERA. The deal was sealed a minute before today's 4pm trade deadline and the White Sox get an extra $3 million in addition to Contreras. http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=41668 guess not a bunch...