July 21, 200520 yr MARKET REPORT Hmmm. Maybe Burnett won't be eating crabmeat omelets for breakfast after all. The Marlins have gotten tired of waiting for the Orioles to figure out their stance on Burnett and Mike Lowell. So the Fish were back on the phone Wednesday, exploring other options. Indications were that they planned to talk to the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. And Florida was clearly trying to send a message to Baltimore that if the Orioles don't take Lowell, there's a better deal out there than Baltimore's offer for Burnett alone (Jorge Julio, Steve Kline and Hayden Penn). So the big rumor Wednesday afternoon had Boston trading Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and a third player still being discussed for Burnett and Lowell. But one baseball man who had spoken with the Red Sox said the two teams hadn't discussed that trade at any point Wednesday. The Red Sox were, however, believed to be talking about another deal with the Twins that would match Boston's need for pitching with Minnesota's quest for more offense. In the meantime, the Marlins were back out there exploring whether they could get a veteran starter AND a reliever if they deal Burnett. You can just about forget the Yankees, who don't appear to match up with the Marlins at all. And while Arroyo would be exactly what Florida was looking for from the Red Sox, the Marlins would be challenged to find a bullpen arm in Boston -- although it's possible they would take a shot at just-designated Alan Embree. But if the White Sox are still willing to trade Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte and outfield prospect Brian Anderson, that was believed to be Florida's preferred package from the beginning. The Orioles, meanwhile, have balked at trading any of their starting pitchers except Sidney Ponson. And Florida has zero interest in him. So where is this heading? Good question. The Orioles had a clear path to reel in Burnett as recently as Monday. But now -- thanks to their reservations about taking on Lowell and, according to an official of one club, some late-breaking worries about whether they even could afford to include Julio -- may suddenly have left them running third in this derby. --------- Meanwhile the folks in Baltimore are still in denial.
July 21, 200520 yr Haha a miracle has happened, we seem to have been saved from one of the most lop-sided trades in recent memory.
July 21, 200520 yr For a guy who won an obscene amount of money from tobacco company's and an excellent stadium that before the last two years drew huge numbers Orioles owner Peter Angelos is amazingly cheap ....not to mention a horrible owner. I personally liked the White Sox Deal anyways
July 21, 200520 yr MARKET REPORT Hmmm. Maybe Burnett won't be eating crabmeat omelets for breakfast after all. The Marlins have gotten tired of waiting for the Orioles to figure out their stance on Burnett and Mike Lowell. So the Fish were back on the phone Wednesday, exploring other options. Indications were that they planned to talk to the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. And Florida was clearly trying to send a message to Baltimore that if the Orioles don't take Lowell, there's a better deal out there than Baltimore's offer for Burnett alone (Jorge Julio, Steve Kline and Hayden Penn). So the big rumor Wednesday afternoon had Boston trading Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and a third player still being discussed for Burnett and Lowell. But one baseball man who had spoken with the Red Sox said the two teams hadn't discussed that trade at any point Wednesday. The Red Sox were, however, believed to be talking about another deal with the Twins that would match Boston's need for pitching with Minnesota's quest for more offense. In the meantime, the Marlins were back out there exploring whether they could get a veteran starter AND a reliever if they deal Burnett. You can just about forget the Yankees, who don't appear to match up with the Marlins at all. And while Arroyo would be exactly what Florida was looking for from the Red Sox, the Marlins would be challenged to find a bullpen arm in Boston -- although it's possible they would take a shot at just-designated Alan Embree. But if the White Sox are still willing to trade Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte and outfield prospect Brian Anderson, that was believed to be Florida's preferred package from the beginning. The Orioles, meanwhile, have balked at trading any of their starting pitchers except Sidney Ponson. And Florida has zero interest in him. So where is this heading? Good question. The Orioles had a clear path to reel in Burnett as recently as Monday. But now -- thanks to their reservations about taking on Lowell and, according to an official of one club, some late-breaking worries about whether they even could afford to include Julio -- may suddenly have left them running third in this derby. --------- Meanwhile the folks in Baltimore are still in denial. 867640[/snapback] [/quote TAKE IT AND RUN isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract
July 21, 200520 yr don't forget all the money that the O's got in the Nationals deal. I still vote for the chicago deal.
July 21, 200520 yr The White Sox deal is the best, I don't know why the Marlins are letting the O's frontoffice do what they always do. Even the Red Sox and the Blue Jays have good deals. At least the Marlins will now learn a valuable lesson, never talk to B+F about a trade ever again.
July 21, 200520 yr also I believe another pitcher is going into the package from our part( a relief pitcher) maybe Mota(Chicago wants), but the Marlins prefer Perisho
July 21, 200520 yr If that's the White Sox deal together with McCarty, they'd be crazy not to take it really as much as I'd prefer to keep AJ. Boston's deal is decent too if we can somehow spin a solid reliever away from someone.
July 21, 200520 yr Author Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. Perhaps, Millar, but I'd immediately trade him for pitching. In fact I wouldn't make a trade with him involved unless we already had a trade for him in place. The biggest problem will be to overcome the bad blood between the two organizations.
July 21, 200520 yr Good God - Youklis and Willingham together in one lineup??? The Seemheads on this board will wet their pants... :o
July 21, 200520 yr Arroyo and Youkilis is very enticing. I think that's the top offer, although Stark said it hadn't been offered. For the right price, I hope Loria doesn't prevent a trade to the Red Sox. Contreras and Marte are solid. I like these offers SO much more than the Orioles one. Hopefully Angelos stays stingy.
July 21, 200520 yr depending on who the third player in boston is I like that deal the best. I dont trust Contreras' arm. To me he always pitches like he is tired or something. Does Youklis play OF at all? I think that another goal of the front office at this point is to get Cabs to third base and explore a trade for a corner OF. There are a lot of teams looking for a third baseman right? not only does the team get their young arm, they also get a hot commodity in youklis and he could be involved in a deal for that corner OF. Unless you guys think he is worth putting at third and keeping Cabs in left. What do you guys think?
July 21, 200520 yr MARKET REPORT Hmmm. Maybe Burnett won't be eating crabmeat omelets for breakfast after all. The Marlins have gotten tired of waiting for the Orioles to figure out their stance on Burnett and Mike Lowell. So the Fish were back on the phone Wednesday, exploring other options. Indications were that they planned to talk to the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. And Florida was clearly trying to send a message to Baltimore that if the Orioles don't take Lowell, there's a better deal out there than Baltimore's offer for Burnett alone (Jorge Julio, Steve Kline and Hayden Penn). So the big rumor Wednesday afternoon had Boston trading Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and a third player still being discussed for Burnett and Lowell. But one baseball man who had spoken with the Red Sox said the two teams hadn't discussed that trade at any point Wednesday. The Red Sox were, however, believed to be talking about another deal with the Twins that would match Boston's need for pitching with Minnesota's quest for more offense. In the meantime, the Marlins were back out there exploring whether they could get a veteran starter AND a reliever if they deal Burnett. You can just about forget the Yankees, who don't appear to match up with the Marlins at all. And while Arroyo would be exactly what Florida was looking for from the Red Sox, the Marlins would be challenged to find a bullpen arm in Boston -- although it's possible they would take a shot at just-designated Alan Embree. But if the White Sox are still willing to trade Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte and outfield prospect Brian Anderson, that was believed to be Florida's preferred package from the beginning. The Orioles, meanwhile, have balked at trading any of their starting pitchers except Sidney Ponson. And Florida has zero interest in him. So where is this heading? Good question. The Orioles had a clear path to reel in Burnett as recently as Monday. But now -- thanks to their reservations about taking on Lowell and, according to an official of one club, some late-breaking worries about whether they even could afford to include Julio -- may suddenly have left them running third in this derby. --------- Meanwhile the folks in Baltimore are still in denial. 867640[/snapback] TAKE IT AND RUN isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract 867659[/snapback] Yeah but aren't the Sox supposed to take on Lowell's contract, essentially making it a swap of bad contracts? Still though I'd like to see the Fish get their hands on McCarthy, even though they've already got a ton of pitching prospects.
July 21, 200520 yr Youkilis would be a key piece in a potential trade for Zito also. Beane has been after that guy since forever! But let's not get ahead of ourselves, Stark said that offer didn't exist.
July 21, 200520 yr Personally I like Arroyo, but I would love to see what Toronto would be offering, the package the Marlins are talking about could be done with Chacin and Batista which would just be an awesome trade for the Marlins. I'd like for the FO to get in touch with the Jays and bring them down to Florida to talk Trade.
July 21, 200520 yr Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. Perhaps, Millar, but I'd immediately trade him for pitching. In fact I wouldn't make a trade with him involved unless we already had a trade for him in place. The biggest problem will be to overcome the bad blood between the two organizations. 867675[/snapback] Nixon does not have a no trade clause, in fact no red sox have one. (excepy tek but that is a policy, not part fo a contract) He also makes substantially less then lowell (lowells contract has wicked amounts of deferred money, and me makes more to begin with) No clue why you would want milalr, and why you think you could trade him for pitching, because the sox would have done that already Take Olerud, we have a better 1B rotting in AAA in Roberto Petagine get over youself with the 'bad blood'
July 21, 200520 yr MARKET REPORT Hmmm. Maybe Burnett won't be eating crabmeat omelets for breakfast after all. The Marlins have gotten tired of waiting for the Orioles to figure out their stance on Burnett and Mike Lowell. So the Fish were back on the phone Wednesday, exploring other options. Indications were that they planned to talk to the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. And Florida was clearly trying to send a message to Baltimore that if the Orioles don't take Lowell, there's a better deal out there than Baltimore's offer for Burnett alone (Jorge Julio, Steve Kline and Hayden Penn). So the big rumor Wednesday afternoon had Boston trading Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and a third player still being discussed for Burnett and Lowell. But one baseball man who had spoken with the Red Sox said the two teams hadn't discussed that trade at any point Wednesday. The Red Sox were, however, believed to be talking about another deal with the Twins that would match Boston's need for pitching with Minnesota's quest for more offense. In the meantime, the Marlins were back out there exploring whether they could get a veteran starter AND a reliever if they deal Burnett. You can just about forget the Yankees, who don't appear to match up with the Marlins at all. And while Arroyo would be exactly what Florida was looking for from the Red Sox, the Marlins would be challenged to find a bullpen arm in Boston -- although it's possible they would take a shot at just-designated Alan Embree. But if the White Sox are still willing to trade Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte and outfield prospect Brian Anderson, that was believed to be Florida's preferred package from the beginning. The Orioles, meanwhile, have balked at trading any of their starting pitchers except Sidney Ponson. And Florida has zero interest in him. So where is this heading? Good question. The Orioles had a clear path to reel in Burnett as recently as Monday. But now -- thanks to their reservations about taking on Lowell and, according to an official of one club, some late-breaking worries about whether they even could afford to include Julio -- may suddenly have left them running third in this derby. --------- Meanwhile the folks in Baltimore are still in denial. 867640[/snapback] TAKE IT AND RUN isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract 867659[/snapback] Yeah but aren't the Sox supposed to take on Lowell's contract, essentially making it a swap of bad contracts? Still though I'd like to see the Fish get their hands on McCarthy, even though they've already got a ton of pitching prospects. 867682[/snapback] I wouldnt be suprised if the yanks are eating a large portion of contreras' contract but I am not sure
July 21, 200520 yr B+F should be fired. They had a deal to steal Burnett from the Marlins, but decided it wasn't good enough. If the Marlins offered Mike Lowell, AJ Burnett, Josh Beckett, and Dontrelle Willis for Steve Kline, the Orioles would still try to get the Marlins to pay Lowell's contract.
July 21, 200520 yr who is youkilis and why would we want contreras 867687[/snapback] Youkilis is an on base machine, currently running in a taxi service between the sox and their AAA affiliate. backup 3B, slated by some to be the Sox starting 3B next year with Mueller being a free agent http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/kevin_youkilis.shtml
July 21, 200520 yr who is youkilis and why would we want contreras 867687[/snapback] :o :plain Why he's the Greek God of Walks. :mischief Read: Moneyball The book not MB.com member.
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