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Hmmm. Maybe Burnett won't be eating crabmeat omelets for breakfast after all. The Marlins have gotten tired of waiting for the Orioles to figure out their stance on Burnett and Mike Lowell. So the Fish were back on the phone Wednesday, exploring other options. Indications were that they planned to talk to the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. And Florida was clearly trying to send a message to Baltimore that if the Orioles don't take Lowell, there's a better deal out there than Baltimore's offer for Burnett alone (Jorge Julio, Steve Kline and Hayden Penn). So the big rumor Wednesday afternoon had Boston trading Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and a third player still being discussed for Burnett and Lowell. But one baseball man who had spoken with the Red Sox said the two teams hadn't discussed that trade at any point Wednesday. The Red Sox were, however, believed to be talking about another deal with the Twins that would match Boston's need for pitching with Minnesota's quest for more offense. In the meantime, the Marlins were back out there exploring whether they could get a veteran starter AND a reliever if they deal Burnett. You can just about forget the Yankees, who don't appear to match up with the Marlins at all. And while Arroyo would be exactly what Florida was looking for from the Red Sox, the Marlins would be challenged to find a bullpen arm in Boston -- although it's possible they would take a shot at just-designated Alan Embree. But if the White Sox are still willing to trade Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte and outfield prospect Brian Anderson, that was believed to be Florida's preferred package from the beginning. The Orioles, meanwhile, have balked at trading any of their starting pitchers except Sidney Ponson. And Florida has zero interest in him. So where is this heading? Good question. The Orioles had a clear path to reel in Burnett as recently as Monday. But now -- thanks to their reservations about taking on Lowell and, according to an official of one club, some late-breaking worries about whether they even could afford to include Julio -- may suddenly have left them running third in this derby.

 

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Meanwhile the folks in Baltimore are still in denial.

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MARKET REPORT

Hmmm. Maybe Burnett won't be eating crabmeat omelets for breakfast after all. The Marlins have gotten tired of waiting for the Orioles to figure out their stance on Burnett and Mike Lowell. So the Fish were back on the phone Wednesday, exploring other options. Indications were that they planned to talk to the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. And Florida was clearly trying to send a message to Baltimore that if the Orioles don't take Lowell, there's a better deal out there than Baltimore's offer for Burnett alone (Jorge Julio, Steve Kline and Hayden Penn). So the big rumor Wednesday afternoon had Boston trading Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and a third player still being discussed for Burnett and Lowell. But one baseball man who had spoken with the Red Sox said the two teams hadn't discussed that trade at any point Wednesday. The Red Sox were, however, believed to be talking about another deal with the Twins that would match Boston's need for pitching with Minnesota's quest for more offense. In the meantime, the Marlins were back out there exploring whether they could get a veteran starter AND a reliever if they deal Burnett. You can just about forget the Yankees, who don't appear to match up with the Marlins at all. And while Arroyo would be exactly what Florida was looking for from the Red Sox, the Marlins would be challenged to find a bullpen arm in Boston -- although it's possible they would take a shot at just-designated Alan Embree. But if the White Sox are still willing to trade Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte and outfield prospect Brian Anderson, that was believed to be Florida's preferred package from the beginning. The Orioles, meanwhile, have balked at trading any of their starting pitchers except Sidney Ponson. And Florida has zero interest in him. So where is this heading? Good question. The Orioles had a clear path to reel in Burnett as recently as Monday. But now -- thanks to their reservations about taking on Lowell and, according to an official of one club, some late-breaking worries about whether they even could afford to include Julio -- may suddenly have left them running third in this derby.

 

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Meanwhile the folks in Baltimore are still in denial.

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isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract

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If that's the White Sox deal together with McCarty, they'd be crazy not to take it really as much as I'd prefer to keep AJ. Boston's deal is decent too if we can somehow spin a solid reliever away from someone.

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Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no.

 

BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause.

 

Perhaps, Millar, but I'd immediately trade him for pitching. In fact I wouldn't make a trade with him involved unless we already had a trade for him in place.

 

The biggest problem will be to overcome the bad blood between the two organizations.

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Arroyo and Youkilis is very enticing. I think that's the top offer, although Stark said it hadn't been offered. For the right price, I hope Loria doesn't prevent a trade to the Red Sox. Contreras and Marte are solid.

 

I like these offers SO much more than the Orioles one. Hopefully Angelos stays stingy.

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depending on who the third player in boston is I like that deal the best. I dont trust Contreras' arm. To me he always pitches like he is tired or something. Does Youklis play OF at all? I think that another goal of the front office at this point is to get Cabs to third base and explore a trade for a corner OF. There are a lot of teams looking for a third baseman right? not only does the team get their young arm, they also get a hot commodity in youklis and he could be involved in a deal for that corner OF. Unless you guys think he is worth putting at third and keeping Cabs in left.

 

What do you guys think?

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Hmmm. Maybe Burnett won't be eating crabmeat omelets for breakfast after all. The Marlins have gotten tired of waiting for the Orioles to figure out their stance on Burnett and Mike Lowell. So the Fish were back on the phone Wednesday, exploring other options. Indications were that they planned to talk to the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. And Florida was clearly trying to send a message to Baltimore that if the Orioles don't take Lowell, there's a better deal out there than Baltimore's offer for Burnett alone (Jorge Julio, Steve Kline and Hayden Penn). So the big rumor Wednesday afternoon had Boston trading Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and a third player still being discussed for Burnett and Lowell. But one baseball man who had spoken with the Red Sox said the two teams hadn't discussed that trade at any point Wednesday. The Red Sox were, however, believed to be talking about another deal with the Twins that would match Boston's need for pitching with Minnesota's quest for more offense. In the meantime, the Marlins were back out there exploring whether they could get a veteran starter AND a reliever if they deal Burnett. You can just about forget the Yankees, who don't appear to match up with the Marlins at all. And while Arroyo would be exactly what Florida was looking for from the Red Sox, the Marlins would be challenged to find a bullpen arm in Boston -- although it's possible they would take a shot at just-designated Alan Embree. But if the White Sox are still willing to trade Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte and outfield prospect Brian Anderson, that was believed to be Florida's preferred package from the beginning. The Orioles, meanwhile, have balked at trading any of their starting pitchers except Sidney Ponson. And Florida has zero interest in him. So where is this heading? Good question. The Orioles had a clear path to reel in Burnett as recently as Monday. But now -- thanks to their reservations about taking on Lowell and, according to an official of one club, some late-breaking worries about whether they even could afford to include Julio -- may suddenly have left them running third in this derby.

 

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Meanwhile the folks in Baltimore are still in denial.

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TAKE IT AND RUN

 

isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract

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Yeah but aren't the Sox supposed to take on Lowell's contract, essentially making it a swap of bad contracts? Still though I'd like to see the Fish get their hands on McCarthy, even though they've already got a ton of pitching prospects.

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Personally I like Arroyo, but I would love to see what Toronto would be offering, the package the Marlins are talking about could be done with Chacin and Batista which would just be an awesome trade for the Marlins. I'd like for the FO to get in touch with the Jays and bring them down to Florida to talk Trade.

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Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no.

 

BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause.

 

Perhaps, Millar, but I'd immediately trade him for pitching. In fact I wouldn't make a trade with him involved unless we already had a trade for him in place.

 

The biggest problem will be to overcome the bad blood between the two organizations.

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Nixon does not have a no trade clause, in fact no red sox have one. (excepy tek but that is a policy, not part fo a contract) He also makes substantially less then lowell (lowells contract has wicked amounts of deferred money, and me makes more to begin with)

 

No clue why you would want milalr, and why you think you could trade him for pitching, because the sox would have done that already

 

Take Olerud, we have a better 1B rotting in AAA in Roberto Petagine

 

get over youself with the 'bad blood'

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Hmmm. Maybe Burnett won't be eating crabmeat omelets for breakfast after all. The Marlins have gotten tired of waiting for the Orioles to figure out their stance on Burnett and Mike Lowell. So the Fish were back on the phone Wednesday, exploring other options. Indications were that they planned to talk to the Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. And Florida was clearly trying to send a message to Baltimore that if the Orioles don't take Lowell, there's a better deal out there than Baltimore's offer for Burnett alone (Jorge Julio, Steve Kline and Hayden Penn). So the big rumor Wednesday afternoon had Boston trading Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and a third player still being discussed for Burnett and Lowell. But one baseball man who had spoken with the Red Sox said the two teams hadn't discussed that trade at any point Wednesday. The Red Sox were, however, believed to be talking about another deal with the Twins that would match Boston's need for pitching with Minnesota's quest for more offense. In the meantime, the Marlins were back out there exploring whether they could get a veteran starter AND a reliever if they deal Burnett. You can just about forget the Yankees, who don't appear to match up with the Marlins at all. And while Arroyo would be exactly what Florida was looking for from the Red Sox, the Marlins would be challenged to find a bullpen arm in Boston -- although it's possible they would take a shot at just-designated Alan Embree. But if the White Sox are still willing to trade Jose Contreras, Damaso Marte and outfield prospect Brian Anderson, that was believed to be Florida's preferred package from the beginning. The Orioles, meanwhile, have balked at trading any of their starting pitchers except Sidney Ponson. And Florida has zero interest in him. So where is this heading? Good question. The Orioles had a clear path to reel in Burnett as recently as Monday. But now -- thanks to their reservations about taking on Lowell and, according to an official of one club, some late-breaking worries about whether they even could afford to include Julio -- may suddenly have left them running third in this derby.

 

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Meanwhile the folks in Baltimore are still in denial.

867640[/snapback]

 

TAKE IT AND RUN

 

isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract

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Yeah but aren't the Sox supposed to take on Lowell's contract, essentially making it a swap of bad contracts? Still though I'd like to see the Fish get their hands on McCarthy, even though they've already got a ton of pitching prospects.

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I wouldnt be suprised if the yanks are eating a large portion of contreras'

contract but I am not sure

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who is youkilis and why would we want contreras

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:o

 

:plain

 

Why he's the Greek God of Walks. :mischief

 

Read: Moneyball The book not MB.com member.

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