July 21, 200520 yr TAKE IT AND RUN isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract Aren't the Yankees already paying a huge part of Contreras' contract anyways?
July 21, 200520 yr who is youkilis and why would we want contreras 867687[/snapback] Youkilis is an on base machine, currently running in a taxi service between the sox and their AAA affiliate. backup 3B, slated by some to be the Sox starting 3B next year with Mueller being a free agent http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/kevin_youkilis.shtml 867703[/snapback] is he young?
July 21, 200520 yr B+F should be fired. They had a deal to steal Burnett from the Marlins, but decided it wasn't good enough. If the Marlins offered Mike Lowell, AJ Burnett, Josh Beckett, and Dontrelle Willis for Steve Kline, the Orioles would still try to get the Marlins to pay Lowell's contract. 867700[/snapback] If at the beginning of the season the Yanks offered you Giambi and Hideki matsui for Enc. would you do it? probably not. why? because giambi was a dead end, and was owed lots of money stop acting like lowell is an asset. he is a liability.
July 21, 200520 yr who is youkilis and why would we want contreras 867687[/snapback] Youkilis is an on base machine, currently running in a taxi service between the sox and their AAA affiliate. backup 3B, slated by some to be the Sox starting 3B next year with Mueller being a free agent http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/kevin_youkilis.shtml 867703[/snapback] is he young? 867716[/snapback] If you bothered to click the link you would have seen that he was born in 1979 and drafted in 2001
July 21, 200520 yr TAKE IT AND RUN isn't McCarthy missing from that deal? we're taken on Contreras contract Aren't the Yankees already paying a huge part of Contreras' contract anyways? 867710[/snapback] In return, the Yankees get Esteban Loaiza who was 21-9 last year with an impressive 2.90 ERA. The deal was sealed a minute before today's 4pm trade deadline and the White Sox get an extra $3 million in addition to Contreras. http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=41668 guess not a bunch...
July 21, 200520 yr Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. 867675[/snapback] I've never been a huge fan of Youkilis, but he does have more power than Lowell at this point, and his on-base ability would provide a huge boost to the bottom of the lineup. And most importantly he makes the minimum. and you've gotta be kidding me with the Olerud in left thing. Talk about a guy with no power, and certainly a liability if he's in left.
July 21, 200520 yr Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. 867675[/snapback] I've never been a huge fan of Youkilis, but he does have more power than Lowell at this point, and his on-base ability would provide a huge boost to the bottom of the lineup. And most importantly he makes the minimum. and you've gotta be kidding me with the Olerud in left thing. Talk about a guy with no power, and certainly a liability if he's in left. 867730[/snapback] Oh wow, marlins2003 continues to show his intelligence, i didnt even notice he wanted to platoon Olerud in left... Olerud is one of, if not the slowest player on any MLB roster. good luck with that
July 21, 200520 yr Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. Perhaps, Millar, but I'd immediately trade him for pitching. In fact I wouldn't make a trade with him involved unless we already had a trade for him in place. The biggest problem will be to overcome the bad blood between the two organizations. 867675[/snapback] we could flip Youkilis to Oakland in a second! :-) just because Cabrera can play third doesn't mean we have no use for a 3rd baseman...he can also play left field, too. Youkilis may not be the dream 3B (i agree with the lack of power) but he seems to be a great hitter otherwise, and baseball history has shown that good hitters can develop power easier than power hitters can become good hitters. Power is not the solution to everything - see Hee Seop Choi. Combine that with the fact that Arroyo won't be a free agent until 2007, and I'll take it. meets all the criteria: keeps in contention this season, gives us a foundation down the road, saves us money.
July 21, 200520 yr :thumbdown crabmeat omelets, O's deal, Yankees :thumbup Red Sox deal, White Sox deal (heck, take out either Marte or Contreras and it is still the best) Good God - Youklis and Willingham together in one lineup??? The Seemheads on this board will wet their pants... 867676[/snapback] plus Castillo, Delgado, Cabrera and Hermida OBP goodness! We'd lead the league in runs scored AND runners left on base.
July 21, 200520 yr Arroyo and Youklis....WOW. do it. 867652[/snapback] pretty good but i want more maybe bellhorn
July 21, 200520 yr Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. Perhaps, Millar, but I'd immediately trade him for pitching. In fact I wouldn't make a trade with him involved unless we already had a trade for him in place. The biggest problem will be to overcome the bad blood between the two organizations. 867675[/snapback] we could flip Youkilis to Oakland in a second! :-) just because Cabrera can play third doesn't mean we have no use for a 3rd baseman...he can also play left field, too. Youkilis may not be the dream 3B (i agree with the lack of power) but he seems to be a great hitter otherwise, and baseball history has shown that good hitters can develop power easier than power hitters can become good hitters. Power is not the solution to everything - see Hee Seop Choi. Combine that with the fact that Arroyo won't be a free agent until 2007, and I'll take it. meets all the criteria: keeps in contention this season, gives us a foundation down the road, saves us money. 867758[/snapback] :goodpost a moneyball reader no doubt Tho I dont agree with moving Youks to OF
July 21, 200520 yr :thumbdown crabmeat omelets, O's deal, Yankees :thumbup Red Sox deal, White Sox deal (heck, take out either Marte or Contreras and it is still the best) Good God - Youklis and Willingham together in one lineup???? The Seemheads on this board will wet their pants... 867676[/snapback] plus Castillo, Delgado, Cabrera and Hermida OBP goodness! We'd lead the league in runs scored AND runners left on base. 867769[/snapback] :lol
July 21, 200520 yr Arroyo and Youklis....WOW.? do it. 867652[/snapback] pretty good but i want more maybe bellhorn 867775[/snapback] Do youu guys watch the sox? Bellhorn: YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS 2005 85 283 41 61 20 0 7 28 49 109 3 0 .216 .328 .360 .689 Yes, 109 K's to go along with a .216 BA and a .328 OBP
July 21, 200520 yr Wade Miller might be an option as well, the Red Sox were public in saying he wasn't the answer they were looking for(meaning hes not what they thought he would be when they signed him) and he could very easily have a damn good year next year at the pitcher friendly Pro.
July 21, 200520 yr Why would we want Youklis? No power, plays third (have I said enough??). And we certainly don't want Embree. OMG no. BUT THAT SAID, a professional hitter to platoon in left with Conine, and come off the bench might be John Olerud. yeah, I know he's always been a first baseman but he's cheap, he's a pro's pro and with Arroyo, and a prospect (no I'm not saying Hanely) there might be a deal there. I'd love to say Nixon but he makes too much money and is under contract for 2006 at Lowell equivalent $$$ and has a no-trade clause. Perhaps, Millar, but I'd immediately trade him for pitching. In fact I wouldn't make a trade with him involved unless we already had a trade for him in place. The biggest problem will be to overcome the bad blood between the two organizations. 867675[/snapback] we could flip Youkilis to Oakland in a second! :-) just because Cabrera can play third doesn't mean we have no use for a 3rd baseman...he can also play left field, too. Youkilis may not be the dream 3B (i agree with the lack of power) but he seems to be a great hitter otherwise, and baseball history has shown that good hitters can develop power easier than power hitters can become good hitters. Power is not the solution to everything - see Hee Seop Choi. Combine that with the fact that Arroyo won't be a free agent until 2007, and I'll take it. meets all the criteria: keeps in contention this season, gives us a foundation down the road, saves us money. 867758[/snapback] :goodpost a moneyball reader no doubt Tho I dont agree with moving Youks to OF 867781[/snapback] you betcha....now we need to get that fat catcher Brown. what ever happened to that guy? i actually meant Miggy could stay in LF...Youk would play 3B still.
July 21, 200520 yr Author And we need another third baseman because? Not to mention with no power. The "hit machine" has 18 hits this season. I'm not saying the teams shouldn't try to patch up their differences, and I suspect Gammons only knows that they have been in communication, but beyond that (and I like Stark) I suspect he really doesn't know the particulars being discussed. The other day when Gammons was on with Boog, he was saying that the Marlins, if they traded Lowell, would still need to figure out who would play third, until Boog interjected (very deferrentially) that Cabrera would be moving to third. Sheepishly, Gammons concurred and since then he's included that in his coments. Stark and Gammons (and all the national media guys) are good at the big picture stuff and have great sources, but often miss the little stuff that is really the genesis of why a trade is occurring. With 30 teams to cover it's no surprise.
July 21, 200520 yr I'd rather them make it Brandon Mcarthy then a 33 year old Contreras with a large contract. I don't see why the Chi Sox wouldn't do BMAC , Marte , and Anderson for Burnett. If they want Mota though, they have to throw in Gio Gonzalez.
July 21, 200520 yr you betcha....now we need to get that fat catcher Brown. what ever happened to that guy? http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/jeremy_brown.shtml Doing OK, but not a 1st round draft pick
July 21, 200520 yr I would jump all over that White sox deal. I know Contras has money but in the national league he could be a great pitcher again. On top of that he isnt too bad right now himself. That gives us our pitcher. Then Marte gives us our Setup/future closer. Then we have Anderson, whom is very very good to come into the outfield for us next year. It will be a battle in spring between him and Hermida. Heck either that or else Anderson and Hermida as the two corner outfielders (Poor Aguila lol). But, I like this deal the best before and still do. Would I love McCarthy too? Yes, but it works for me even without him. The question is would Burnett sign there? If not would the deal fall apart? I hope they can get it done now. I really am not a Youklis fan at all really personally. I think the kid could "become" something nice, but he isnt close to there yet really. I think he needs time, unless he spun him I wouldnt want him. I rather have my hands on some of their other prospects. Never know. But, the White sox deal is the best still.
July 21, 200520 yr And we need another third baseman because? Not to mention with no power. The "hit machine" has 18 hits this season. I'm not saying the teams shouldn't try to patch up their differences, and I suspect Gammons only knows that they have been in communication, but beyond that (and I like Stark) I suspect he really doesn't know the particulars being discussed. The other day when Gammons was on with Boog, he was saying that the Marlins, if they traded Lowell, would still need to figure out who would play third, until Boog interjected (very deferrentially) that Cabrera would be moving to third. Sheepishly, Gammons concurred and since then he's included that in his coments. Stark and Gammons (and all the national media guys) are good at the big picture stuff and have great sources, but often miss the little stuff that is really the genesis of why a trade is occurring. With 30 teams to cover it's no surprise. 867800[/snapback] Just stop talking. I said on base machine. he has 18 hits in 63 AB u tool, thats a .286 average, and a .384 OBP. better than your current 3B Do some research, and stop basing your posts on a move the sox made 2 years ago. get over it!
July 21, 200520 yr And we need another third baseman because? 867800[/snapback] We don't, but between the complimentary piece being a reliever or young third baseman I want the latter. Arroyo IIRC is not eligible for free agency until 2008
July 21, 200520 yr Youk's Average is higher than lowell's OBP, that is laughable, much like Many of Marlins2003's posts
July 21, 200520 yr Author And we need another third baseman because? Not to mention with no power. The "hit machine" has 18 hits this season. I'm not saying the teams shouldn't try to patch up their differences, and I suspect Gammons only knows that they have been in communication, but beyond that (and I like Stark) I suspect he really doesn't know the particulars being discussed. The other day when Gammons was on with Boog, he was saying that the Marlins, if they traded Lowell, would still need to figure out who would play third, until Boog interjected (very deferrentially) that Cabrera would be moving to third. Sheepishly, Gammons concurred and since then he's included that in his coments. Stark and Gammons (and all the national media guys) are good at the big picture stuff and have great sources, but often miss the little stuff that is really the genesis of why a trade is occurring. With 30 teams to cover it's no surprise. 867800[/snapback] Just stop talking. I said on base machine. he has 18 hits in 63 AB u tool, thats a .286 average, and a .384 OBP. better than your current 3B Do some research, and stop basing your posts on a move the sox made 2 years ago. get over it! 867822[/snapback] Excuse me? I really don't need these insults. Perhaps that how you do things on red Sox boards but you could try to be a little more civil and understand there is room for more opinions than just yours.
July 21, 200520 yr And we need another third baseman because? Not to mention with no power. The "hit machine" has 18 hits this season. I'm not saying the teams shouldn't try to patch up their differences, and I suspect Gammons only knows that they have been in communication, but beyond that (and I like Stark) I suspect he really doesn't know the particulars being discussed. The other day when Gammons was on with Boog, he was saying that the Marlins, if they traded Lowell, would still need to figure out who would play third, until Boog interjected (very deferrentially) that Cabrera would be moving to third. Sheepishly, Gammons concurred and since then he's included that in his coments. Stark and Gammons (and all the national media guys) are good at the big picture stuff and have great sources, but often miss the little stuff that is really the genesis of why a trade is occurring. With 30 teams to cover it's no surprise. 867800[/snapback] he's not a hit machine he's a walk machine i'm not saying Youkilis the perfect answer. But from my perspective, this deal keeps our talent level exactly as it is right now (AJ + today's Lowell = Arroyo + Youkilis, i'd say) but gets us a bunch more years of payroll flexibility. and re: "why do we need a 3rd baseman"....i'm assuming you're confident that Hermida is ready for the majors, because otherwise we're either gonna need a third baseman or an outfielder if we deal Lowell. and who knows if Hermida is ready....not everyone is Miggy.
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