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Terrell Owens? bad*ss who was on the UNC team when Furman beat em a few years ago! I don't think that was possible, he attended Tenn-Chattanooga

Sals Gilbert Brown never beat his wife. Oh, I'm sorry, it was his girlfriend...makes it much more accecptable: Brown Arrested for Domestic Abuse BROWN ARRESTED: Calling it a police matter, Packers general manager Ron Wolf declined comment on the arrest of starting defensive tackle Gilbert Brown in a domestic dispute. Authorities said the 350-pound Brown pushed his girlfriend over a couch during an argument. Brown was taken into custody late Monday for disorderly conduct as a domestic violence offense, although his girlfriend told authorities she didn't want to press charges, Brown County Sheriff's Lt. Ken Bougie said. Brown, 26, spent about five minutes in the Brown County Jail before posting $150 bond. Brown pushed his 23-year-old live-in girlfriend after arguing with her at their Town of Hobart home, Bougie said. The woman fell over a couch but was not injured, he said. She called police so she could get her things and leave, Bougie said. She did not want to press charges but the officer at the scene made the decision to arrest Brown, he said. The Brown County District Attorney's Office plans to review the case.

But how can the Packers have that bad of character when they won the NFL's community team of the year? Please provide a link for this because I have never seen the Packers win the "2002 NFL community team of the year" award. And they have people with bad character, just like every other team, but you are blowing the Dolphins' way out of proportion. I'm saying that Griese is bad influence and could be a potential problem for you guys. He is no worse of an influence than Gilbert Brown or Ahman Green for wife beating or Brett Favre for pain killer addictions. And Surtain, having to go by "cer-tan" instead. Because he says he is "cer-tan to make the interception"... give me a break Wrong! You have the story all wrong, so make sure the facts are correct before you speak. He goes by "Sur-tan" because that is how his name was pronounced in his southern neighborhood in Louisiana. He said the media has been pronouncing his name "sur-tane" when it should be pronounced "sur-tan". Has nothing to do with making interceptions, and he has repeated this numerous times. the guys good, but he's gotta quit smokin himself. There was really no backbone to the Surtain thing besides that, the guys just a selfish idiot. What makes him selfish? And the only one who appears to be an idiot is you by ragging on people without knowing whats going on. Get off everybody's back.

Randy Moss is a badass..... not a jerk this is 100% true

I think Sapp is the best player at his position. I really do. But hes a friggin jerk. And Ahman Green is a friggin jerk, but neither get by on their talent, I never said that Sals. I was also making a point how ridiculous somethings you say are. The Dolphins will not win because Griese, their back-up QB is not a good person and because of some off-field "drama" with Surtain that you are making a big deal of in which truly nothing happened. However, the fact that you have several players with severe character questions on your team does not hurt your outlook? That is a pure bias, and the fact is none of these issues are big enough to have any barings on either team. Fact.

WC I have the MSN coversation to prove you said it. Phlub, why do you pick on WC? You make fun of him for being a homer, when he is more optimistic than anything. If anyone is a homer, it's you! Nobody besides you here cares about the Packers, yet there are tons of Packer threads on this board, ever wonder who started all of them? Most of WC's Dolphin comments are also remarks against your unrealistic Packer comments and over-and-above Dolphin bashing comments. Bottom line is, the season will start soon and then everything will play out but on paper the Dolphins have a great team, one superior to the Packers, get over it.

I agree Ahman Green is an a$$hole, but he's a damn good ball player. And Sapp is an a$$hole that WAS a cheap shot. And he should have visited Clifton in the Tampa Hospital. Clifton was paralyzyed for 3 DAYS! So Ahman Green gets by because he is a damn good football player? Is Sapp not a damn good football player? He is a better player than Ahman Green. Also, Sapp hurt a player on a clean hit during a game, he didn't beat his pregnant wife twice who was carrying his own child.

He was being sarcastic about Farve being the biggest jerk. However, he was NOT kidding about Green. Thank you. Someone here has common sense. I was just trying to make a stupid jab at a Packers player to show Phlub how dumb he sounds sometimes.

Then why were you spurting about the 9 Pro Bowlers all being leaders? You guys have leaders, but its because of selfish idiots like Surtain (who is loved by teammates, but is to much drama off field), Griese and then just idiots like Dead Head Dave. I know Jr. very well as you know and he'll certainly help out your team. I wish him nothing but the best, but I think he'll only be good in the locker room influence, his on field play may be lacking. And what is Surtain's "drama" off the field? Would it be the drama of Favre saying he has a drug problem? Would it be Gilbert Brown being so fat and lazy that he can't keep his weight down to play and instead of dieting he is arrested for beating his wife? Or better yet..... How about your role model and one of the team leaders, big bad Ahman Green. What a p***y he is! Remember his "off-field drama"? He was arrested for threatening and beating his pregnant wife not once, but twice!! He was also ordered to stay away from his wife's home and childens day care center! Nice chemistry and citizens/team leaders you have. Thanks for playing the game Phlub.

Brian Griese should be on the poll. And if I voted for Moss there'd be to much bias there cuz I'm a Vikings hater. Terrell Owens is funnier then sh*t, as is Shockey. But Sapp didn't even apologize to Chad Clifton for that cheap shot he put on him, and Clifton spent 3 days in a Tampa Hospital after the game. Sapp then threatened Mike Sherman after the game and pushed a Packers Security official over to get to Sherman. Sapp is the biggest f**kin a$$hole there is. Phlub, you are a biased person. It was not a cheap shot and even Clifton has said it was legal. I vote Favre is the biggest jerk in the NFL for being addicted to perscription drugs, what a jerk! Actually I change my mind to Ahman Green, not only did he beat his wife twice, but she was pregnant. Hands down biggest jerk!

If we trade Castro...who will back up Redmond next year? or are we going to resign pudge? i didnt think that was gonna happen and i dont think any of our prospect catchers are ready. Maybe the Marlins think Josh Willingham, the offensive catcher who has been ripping the minors up, will be ready to back-up in the majors by next season. Also, Pudge said before the season he would possibly like to be a Marlin for more than one year, maybe the team and him have talked and we do not know. Our winning should certainly change his mind about going back to Texas.

- Green left 4 games last year and missed 2. He either left late or came back in 3 of the 4 games, so the point is over. - Franks is a better blocker. Are you guys reading his rookie scouting reports? Last year Franks was one of the premier blocking Tight Ends. Oh really? This from your very own packersnews.com " FLAWS: Doesn't run well after the catch. Hasn't been able to use his size and speed to create mismatches in the open field. More willing than able as a run blocker." Bubba isn't a great blocker! - Walker is not widely considered a dissapointment. Josh Reed a 2nd Round Pick for the Bills put up similar numbers as a #3 reciever and is considered a great pick. Walker is also considered a great pick, and for those who think Walkers been a farse at Camp this year. He has been quite the opposite. Favre has given him (Walker) more compliments and regard then any other player on the entire team, saying "I wouldn't be surprised if this kid was in the Pro Bowl at the end of the year, hes that good." Coming from Brett, I'll trust him before you. First of all, Reed was a 2nd round pick coming into a team with two established WRs in Moulds and Price. He was solid for his selection and expectations. Walker came into a team with no established leaders at WR and nobody who was really ever a starter before. He was supposed to come in and win a starting job, and in fact did not. He was widely considered a first year disappointment, not to say he won't be good in the future, but his rookie year was a disappointment! - Tauscher and Clifton were 2 Time All Pro Alternates before both got hurt last year. Both are All Pro Type Talents, but I NEVER SAID, the best at their positions. All-Pro and Pro-Bowl are two different things, get it straight NFL expert! They were PRO-BOWL alternates, and they are nothing special. If you are an alternate two years in a row, you don't impress me. Who cares about being an alternate? Make it to the game already! - Dunn County News, The Chippewa Herald, and The Eau Claire Leader Telegram (the biggest newspaper in Western Wisconsin) - WEAU TV 13 (NBC) Lies, Lies, Lies and who cares? You haven't shown any expert ability here, maybe your village is full of morons? - Favre has said himself "Bubba was a dissappointing rookie. And had an okay 2nd year. But this year he had a great season, blocking, catching. Bubba became the total package." Terry Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson and even Packer Hater Mark Schlereth atest to that. Don't give me what other people say about him, especially his teammates. He is good, but do you want to hear what people have said about McMichaels, including his teammates? No, so pipe down. So Henderson is a better rusher, and Konrad slightly better reciever. Henderson is reknowned by anyone who knows football as the best blocking FB there is, period. Because of their stats? Please....Konrad has more athleticism and better hands, Henderson is a better blocker but the difference in either isn't great enough to distinguish them. And Lorenzo Neal is a better blocker. - Driver runs 4.22 forty yd. dash. .3 faster then Chambers. No, Driver was clocked at 4.55. That is .23 slower than Chambers, here is the proof liar! Chamber's is faster than Driver! - Darren Sharper is better then Brock Marion. Thats one matchup we have over you guys on Defense. Otherwise you guys basically own us in that department. But explain how the Packers had the 2nd Best Pass Defense last year and Miami had the 5th Best Pass Defense? (obviously Green Bays run D leaves much to be desired) You explained it yourself, and Marion and Sharper, can't lose with either decision. Sorry I'm not to wrapped up in my team. You guys are. Making the Fins out to be some invincible force with some high flying offense. Which is false. True your defense is one of the 3 best with the Bucs and Eagles. But what about Special Teams? I still think your offense only has Ricky Williams in a better matchup wise format. ROFL! I haven't laughed like that in a while, thanks!

Franks is better the McMichael.? McMichael isn't a good blocker and doesnt nearly have the size that even your coaches would like.? Franks is 6-6, 270.? McMichael is 6-3, 250.? Randy is a good speed guy though.? Minus McMichael will NEVER be better then Franks. He is a better blocker than Franks. Size isn't everything. Franks is known as a bad blocker, read the scouting reports! Bubba has sure hands.? Great blocker.? Great size.? But no speed.? Franks isn't worlds better.? That was my bias getting in the way.? The only time my "bias" gets going is when someone makes an outrageous statement like the Fins will be in the "Top 5 in offense". He has been known to drop a lot of easy passes, especially when he was a rookie, Favre had no confidence in him and wouldn't even look his way because of all the drops. Henderson though is worlds better.? Henderson is the best blocking Full Back in the league and its a shame they don't have a statistic for linebackers leveled by FBs, cuz Henderson would hold the record.? Hendersons 20 catches, 150 yds, and 4-5 recieving TDs a year speak for themselves.? Henderson is the best recieving FB.? And Best Blocking.? PERIOD, no bias in that.? Henderson gets screwed every year because Alstott who is WAY, WAY, overrated. Worlds better? HA! Lorenzo Neal is the best blocking back, not Henderson by the way and it is not even close, and Sam Gash is better too! Konrad is a very good blocker as well, and he is more athletic than Henderson. Henderson maybe a better blocker but Konrad has more athleticism and better hands to make up the difference. Depending on what you are looking for, they are very much as good as each other. Tennessee does have a better offense.? McNair is better then Fiedler.? George isn't as good as Williams.? Wycheck and McMichael are about even.? And until Chambers puts up stats better then Dyson which would have to be about 1100 yds a year, Dyson is better, and the Titan O-Line is far better. Yeah, you're right.....except for the fact that DYSON SIGNED WITH THE PANTHERS AND THEN TORE HIS ACL AND IS OUT FOR THE YEAR AND HAS NEVER PUT UP MORE THAN 850 YARDS IN ONE YEAR (460 LAST YEAR). Come on expert!

QB- Favre/Fiedler WINNER: Favre ---- Favre/Griese WINNER: Favre Thats a given. RB- Green/Williams WINNER: Williams ---- But keep in mind Green would have lead the league in rushing yards and total yards if he didn't miss 6 games last year.? But fact is he didnt. Oh really? Funny thing is he played in 14 games and averaged 88ypg but Ricky averaged over 100ypg. So your logic is wrong and if Marshall Faulk was not hurt he would have lead the league in overall yards. Winner Williams, easy. TE- Franks/McMichael WINNER: Franks in a blowout -----? Bubba is now one of the 2 most complete TE's in the game.? Him and Gonzalez are the 2 best (obviously Gonzalez is a Chief) do it all.? 50 catches a year, 500 yds a year, Great Run and Pass Blockers, 8 tds. a year.? The only reason Shockey isn't up there is his lack of TDs As a rookie McMichael's production was almost the same as Franks and was far better than Frank's rookie production. Bubba dropped a ton of passes as a rookie and still drops easy ones. To say that Bubba is better than either Macrus Pollard or Shockey is ridiculous too. Pollard was hurt most of last year but is better than Franks. He had 900yds and 75 catches. He is better than Franks, who had 1 TD as a rookie. Also Franks is described as more of a "willing than able blocker", meaning he isn't that good at it! Franks and McMichael push. WR- Driver/Chambers WINNER: Driver ------ Driver wins because he has much more "sure hands" and has more speed and more knowledge (of "game smarts"). More speed and sure hands? No way! Chambers routinely makes the acrobatic hard catch and ran a 4.25 in his pre-draft workout, the fastest of any player in the 2001 Draft, edgeing out Koren Robinson I believe. And game smarts, please. Driver has had one good year. They are even as of now, soon Chambers will be better. Walker/Thompson WINNER: Walker ------- Javon put up great numbers for a rookie WR.? 320 yds. 25 catches and a TD are great stats for a rookie and will get better this year.? Walker also has superior size at 6-3, 220lbs. and is worlds faster then Thompson as Walker runs a 4.23? 40yd. dash, one of the fastest in the NFL. Walker is better? He dropped everyball last year and was considered widely as a dissapointment. You're right, 25 catches and 320yds, 1TD are great stats for a rookie, if you were undrafted. He was a first round pick, he should have been much better. McMichael, a 4th round rookie TE put up better numbers. And he runs a 4.38, not 4.23. Advantage Thompson. He is a more sure handed, physical receiver. Offensive Line- Mark Tauscher, Marco River, Mike Flanagan, Mike Wahle, and Chad Clifton are all, All Pro type talents.? Case Closed. Put the crack pipe down. Mark Tauscher is not all-pro talent. Neither are any of them really. They are not the best at their positions in the league and you do not have an o-line made up of 5 all-pro talents. Listen to how ridiculous you sound. Better Offense: GREEN BAY easily. But remember you guys have a far superior defense. :mischief ? :lol Offense I would not say Green Bay is better. I think they are even overall. But if you want to compare defenses, you wont win one position probably, and I thought you said you were known as the town expert, more like the village idiot.