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His ERA wasnt over 6, or even over 5 last year. It was in the mid 4s. But once again, his peripheral stats greatly overshadow ERA. The point was not that his ERA was over 5 or 6. Your arguement was that ERA was not that important. The point is ERA is an important measure of the success of a pitcher, it is what MLB, ESPN, Fox all use to rate pitchers. I agree with you that he has other stats which look good, yet once again I ask are any of those stats better than what we have now for the role he would be placed in? who cares what ESPN and FOX think? Then I can assume you watch or read neither

His ERA wasnt over 6, or even over 5 last year. It was in the mid 4s. But once again, his peripheral stats greatly overshadow ERA. The point was not that his ERA was over 5 or 6. Your arguement was that ERA was not that important. The point is ERA is an important measure of the success of a pitcher, it is what MLB, ESPN, Fox all use to rate pitchers. I agree with you that he has other stats which look good, yet once again I ask are any of those stats better than what we have now for the role he would be placed in?

I think ERA is a great judge of pitching talent. It doesn't matter how many runners you allow if you don't give up any runs......duh. Yet his strikeout #'s, K/BB ratio, and WHIP were all excellent last year. As was his .222 BAA against righties and .218 BAA against lefties. Once again, gave up fewer hits than IP. Once again, I reiterate, you are a buffoon. On of the great things about baseball is the stats, all of them. Together they tell a story or give a picture of a players success and failures. Too look at the stats that only you want to look at do not complete the picture. Both of you make valid points, however the question becomes is he going to improve the current make-up of the bullpen. In my opinion he does not. Second your arguement looses credibility when it resorts to name calling. For some reason, might just be my zany way of looking at things...looking at a young reliever that held lefties and righties to averages under .225, K'd almost 14/9, had an excellent K/BB ratio of 45/19, a very good WHIP of 1.25 and allowed fewer hits than IP...to me, all that holds alot more weight than using ERA and ERA alone to justify his stance of a relief pitcher. I will say this much about ERA, you will not last in the Majors long with an ERA over 6, for that matter even over 5. The life of a pitcher in the majors is more dependant to ERA than any other stat.

I think ERA is a great judge of pitching talent. It doesn't matter how many runners you allow if you don't give up any runs......duh. Yet his strikeout #'s, K/BB ratio, and WHIP were all excellent last year. As was his .222 BAA against righties and .218 BAA against lefties. Once again, gave up fewer hits than IP. Once again, I reiterate, you are a buffoon. On of the great things about baseball is the stats, all of them. Together they tell a story or give a picture of a players success and failures. Too look at the stats that only you want to look at do not complete the picture. Both of you make valid points, however the question becomes is he going to improve the current make-up of the bullpen. In my opinion he does not. Second your arguement looses credibility when it resorts to name calling.

Didn't see this mentioned anywhere but Logan Kensing pitched an inning in the Gulf Coast League on Tuesday. Looks like he should be ready in a couple weeks, adding yet another arm to an already stocked bullpen. In his 1 IP he gave up no hits, no walks. I would be surprised if he gets activated onto the Major League Roster unless there is an injury. Look at it this way, who would he replace? The bullpen as it is is one of the strong suits for this team.

Well, Gardner should have done the job. I blame it on him. I blame it one the defense, that was a terrible example of major league play

I think Freddi's problem is that he waits around little too long before bringing in the better reliever. He has too much confidence in the rest of the guys. In a tight game the only pitchers that should be used are: Tank, Benitez, Gregg, Lindstrom and Owens and maaaaaaaybe with a 3-4 run lead than use Pinto/Miller Seems to me Tank should be relaced by Miller in your list. He now has appeared in 13 games only only had one bad outing. He is striking out about a batter an inning and they are hitting only 233 against him. There is even an arguement he should be used over Lindstrom and as we now Owens is once again on the DL.