Posted June 21, 200717 yr comment_908746 Didn't see this mentioned anywhere but Logan Kensing pitched an inning in the Gulf Coast League on Tuesday. Looks like he should be ready in a couple weeks, adding yet another arm to an already stocked bullpen. In his 1 IP he gave up no hits, no walks. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908747 Didn't see this mentioned anywhere but Logan Kensing pitched an inning in the Gulf Coast League on Tuesday. Looks like he should be ready in a couple weeks, adding yet another arm to an already stocked bullpen. In his 1 IP he gave up no hits, no walks. I would be surprised if he gets activated onto the Major League Roster unless there is an injury. Look at it this way, who would he replace? The bullpen as it is is one of the strong suits for this team. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr Author comment_908748 Didn't see this mentioned anywhere but Logan Kensing pitched an inning in the Gulf Coast League on Tuesday. Looks like he should be ready in a couple weeks, adding yet another arm to an already stocked bullpen. In his 1 IP he gave up no hits, no walks. I would be surprised if he gets activated onto the Major League Roster unless there is an injury. Look at it this way, who would he replace? The bullpen as it is is one of the strong suits for this team. These things have a way of working themselves out. Somebody will get injured, traded or simply not perform. Nice to have a couple of studs in the minors waiting to be called up in Martinez and Kensing though. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908749 Oh, goody. I can't wait to see Kensing and his 1-6 record, 6.47 ERA and 1.60 career WHIP back in our bullpen. Oh, and he's a solid 1 for 7 in career save opps. Don't forget the 13 homers in 57 IP. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908750 Oh, goody. I can't wait to see Kensing and his 1-6 record, 6.47 ERA and 1.60 career WHIP back in our bullpen. Oh, and he's a solid 1 for 7 in career save opps. Don't forget the 13 homers in 57 IP. You gotta be kidding me Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908751 Oh, goody. I can't wait to see Kensing and his 1-6 record, 6.47 ERA and 1.60 career WHIP back in our bullpen. Oh, and he's a solid 1 for 7 in career save opps. Don't forget the 13 homers in 57 IP. Sort of like the knocks on Mitre, going over his stats of a young and just developing career. Young pitchers learn what works and how and when to use it-it usually takes a few years. Logan has a sharp slider and is very young-he may not ever develop into anything great, but you still have to look at a young pitchers ability rather than stats. He definitely should not be rushed back to the majors. Hey, AJ Burnett has great stuff and still hasn't learned to use it consistently. Now for 55 mill he is back on the DL with his .500 winning percentage. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908752 Oh, goody. I can't wait to see Kensing and his 1-6 record, 6.47 ERA and 1.60 career WHIP back in our bullpen. Oh, and he's a solid 1 for 7 in career save opps. Don't forget the 13 homers in 57 IP. :lol Do you even like the Marlins?? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908753 Oh, goody. I can't wait to see Kensing and his 1-6 record, 6.47 ERA and 1.60 career WHIP back in our bullpen. Oh, and he's a solid 1 for 7 in career save opps. Don't forget the 13 homers in 57 IP. His K/BB ratio was excellent last year(45 to 19), he had a WHIP of 1.25(not awful). Fewer hits than IP. More K's than IP. This kid will be an excellent addition to the bullpen. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908754 Oh, goody. I can't wait to see Kensing and his 1-6 record, 6.47 ERA and 1.60 career WHIP back in our bullpen. Oh, and he's a solid 1 for 7 in career save opps. Don't forget the 13 homers in 57 IP. :lol Do you even like the Marlins?? Yes, that's why I don't want to see Kensing pitching for them. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908755 You do realize that using ERA to gauge a relief pitcher is foolish right? And Kensings peripherals last year were really quite good? Any of this sinking in? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908756 I think ERA is a great judge of pitching talent. It doesn't matter how many runners you allow if you don't give up any runs......duh. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908757 I think ERA is a great judge of pitching talent. It doesn't matter how many runners you allow if you don't give up any runs......duh. Yet his strikeout #'s, K/BB ratio, and WHIP were all excellent last year. As was his .222 BAA against righties and .218 BAA against lefties. Once again, gave up fewer hits than IP. Once again, I reiterate, you are a buffoon. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908758 I'm a baffoon and Kensing's a great reliever......LOL. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908759 I'm a baffoon and Kensing's a great reliever......LOL. Well, we're pretty sure one of those two is right. Considering most of Kensing's ugly stats came as a rushed prospect, there's a good chance both are right. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908760 Glad I can be everyone punching bag, hope it makes you all feel better. I'm surprised you're piling on Swift as I've been on your side quite a bit. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908761 No sense trying to reason. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908762 I think ERA is a great judge of pitching talent. It doesn't matter how many runners you allow if you don't give up any runs......duh. Yet his strikeout #'s, K/BB ratio, and WHIP were all excellent last year. As was his .222 BAA against righties and .218 BAA against lefties. Once again, gave up fewer hits than IP. Once again, I reiterate, you are a buffoon. On of the great things about baseball is the stats, all of them. Together they tell a story or give a picture of a players success and failures. Too look at the stats that only you want to look at do not complete the picture. Both of you make valid points, however the question becomes is he going to improve the current make-up of the bullpen. In my opinion he does not. Second your arguement looses credibility when it resorts to name calling. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908763 I think ERA is a great judge of pitching talent. It doesn't matter how many runners you allow if you don't give up any runs......duh. Yet his strikeout #'s, K/BB ratio, and WHIP were all excellent last year. As was his .222 BAA against righties and .218 BAA against lefties. Once again, gave up fewer hits than IP. Once again, I reiterate, you are a buffoon. On of the great things about baseball is the stats, all of them. Together they tell a story or give a picture of a players success and failures. Too look at the stats that only you want to look at do not complete the picture. Both of you make valid points, however the question becomes is he going to improve the current make-up of the bullpen. In my opinion he does not. Second your arguement looses credibility when it resorts to name calling. For some reason, might just be my zany way of looking at things...looking at a young reliever that held lefties and righties to averages under .225, K'd almost 14/9, had an excellent K/BB ratio of 45/19, a very good WHIP of 1.25 and allowed fewer hits than IP...to me, all that holds alot more weight than using ERA and ERA alone to justify his stance of a relief pitcher. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908764 I think ERA is a great judge of pitching talent. It doesn't matter how many runners you allow if you don't give up any runs......duh. Yet his strikeout #'s, K/BB ratio, and WHIP were all excellent last year. As was his .222 BAA against righties and .218 BAA against lefties. Once again, gave up fewer hits than IP. Once again, I reiterate, you are a buffoon. On of the great things about baseball is the stats, all of them. Together they tell a story or give a picture of a players success and failures. Too look at the stats that only you want to look at do not complete the picture. Both of you make valid points, however the question becomes is he going to improve the current make-up of the bullpen. In my opinion he does not. Second your arguement looses credibility when it resorts to name calling. For some reason, might just be my zany way of looking at things...looking at a young reliever that held lefties and righties to averages under .225, K'd almost 14/9, had an excellent K/BB ratio of 45/19, a very good WHIP of 1.25 and allowed fewer hits than IP...to me, all that holds alot more weight than using ERA and ERA alone to justify his stance of a relief pitcher. I will say this much about ERA, you will not last in the Majors long with an ERA over 6, for that matter even over 5. The life of a pitcher in the majors is more dependant to ERA than any other stat. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908765 His ERA wasnt over 6, or even over 5 last year. It was in the mid 4s. But once again, his peripheral stats greatly overshadow ERA. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908766 Mid 4's is poor for a relief pitcher no matter what his WHIP was. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908767 I think ERA is a great judge of pitching talent. It doesn't matter how many runners you allow if you don't give up any runs......duh. Sooner or later, if you are allowing a lot of baserunners, its gonna blow up in your face. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908768 That's a good point. But ERA is a much better judge of talent. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908769 His ERA wasnt over 6, or even over 5 last year. It was in the mid 4s. But once again, his peripheral stats greatly overshadow ERA. The point was not that his ERA was over 5 or 6. Your arguement was that ERA was not that important. The point is ERA is an important measure of the success of a pitcher, it is what MLB, ESPN, Fox all use to rate pitchers. I agree with you that he has other stats which look good, yet once again I ask are any of those stats better than what we have now for the role he would be placed in? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
June 21, 200717 yr comment_908770 His ERA wasnt over 6, or even over 5 last year. It was in the mid 4s. But once again, his peripheral stats greatly overshadow ERA. The point was not that his ERA was over 5 or 6. Your arguement was that ERA was not that important. The point is ERA is an important measure of the success of a pitcher, it is what MLB, ESPN, Fox all use to rate pitchers. I agree with you that he has other stats which look good, yet once again I ask are any of those stats better than what we have now for the role he would be placed in? who cares what ESPN and FOX think? Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/53147-logan-kensing/?&do=findComment&comment=908770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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