overrated, its like you said, they dont give you skill they give you strength so please lets end it there. we will never agree on it.

The Giants are in the red this season. Peter Magowan said that on KNBR earlier this Spring Training season

his face didnt get that much bigger, it just seems like it, look at the zooms on the after pictures. it doesnt look like much but it is. and it does make a big difference.

 

and his facial expression makes him seem even bigger than he is.

His facial expressions in those pictures are about the same and his eye is exactly matched up, meaning the proportions that are represented are 100% true. bonds is definitely juicing.

 

Marvin Benard and Benito Santiago were also named on this report, and I can tell you that Benard, and his .197 average, didn't get anything more inferior to Giambi Bonds or Sheffield, it's simply the more famous you are, the more guilty.

No, because marvin was a mediocre player throughout his career. Steroids don't give you skill, they just make you strong.

 

It is not the MORE FAMOUS the more guilty. It is the more you insult records and the sport the more guilty you are.

 

 

McGwire used andro, a pill that for all intents and purposes is a steroid, yet we smiled when he hugged Sammy and all was right with the baseball world.? Hell, people can still get andro in just about any vitamin store, and there is no condemnation.

 

They're moving to make it illegal and it is just like taking steroids. I can get ma huang in china town no that ephedra is illegal, is my abuse of it any less dishonest?

 

Or for those who want a specific incident, how about this, one of the greatest moments ever in the sport, Kirk Gibson's HR was medicinally enhanced.? If it weren't for modern medicine and cortisone, he wouldn't have been able to get to the plate for that dramatic at bat, let alone swing the bat, or David Wells wouldn't have been able to pitch a perfect game because he needed cortisone shots for his back.? Why is there nothing wrong with that?

Those aren't anabolic steroids. What's next, if you use tyenol that's equivalent of abusing steroids in the "chemical enhancement book." That's ridiculous.

 

Steroids are not overrated. They turned Ken Caminit into a MVP, Giambi into a MVP, Sheffield into a 2003 Sheffield, Clemens as one of the greatest ever, and Bonds the best hitter who has ever walked the earth. Steroids are underrated.So it's guilty until proven innocent.

 

If nothing else, Barry Bonds' ability to hit into his 40's is a model of his ability to withstand injury and play through pain, but more importantly, not break down, something steroids have notably caused in many athletes.

 

I also find it hypocritical that you condemn Bonds, when McGwire admitted to "insulting the sport," as you put it, yet there is no evidence of Bonds' doing so. The receipt from Balco simpy says a package was sent to him, it could have been vitamins for all we know, the man has a personal chef, trainer, nutritionist, athletic massage therapist, and a person who stretches him before each game.

 

I think it is ignorant and misguided to condemn a person without proof, other than that head measuring thing, which doesn't prove a whole lot, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson got a hell of a lot thicker as they got older too.

overrated, its like you said, they dont give you skill they give you strength so please lets end it there. we will never agree on it.

is it so overrated when decent to good players break records? hell no.

 

So it's guilty until proven innocent.

A bigger skull makes you guilty.

 

If nothing else, Barry Bonds' ability to hit into his 40's is a model of his ability to withstand injury and play through pain, but more importantly, not break down, something steroids have notably caused in many athletes.

Not HGH, which is what predominantly causes his head growth. HGH makes you more durable.

 

I also find it hypocritical that you condemn Bonds, when McGwire admitted to "insulting the sport," as you put it, yet there is no evidence of Bonds' doing so. The receipt from Balco simpy says a package was sent to him, it could have been vitamins for all we know, the man has a personal chef, trainer, nutritionist, athletic massage therapist, and a person who stretches him before each game.

And his skull grew a mile. Both mcgwire and bonds insulted the sport.

 

I think it is ignorant and misguided to condemn a person without proof, other than that head measuring thing, which doesn't prove a whole lot, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson got a hell of a lot thicker as they got older too.

I think it is ignorant and misguided to avoid the obvious. I bet you were part of the jury that got OJ off.

imfg!! his skull did not grow!!! :banghead lemme see the x-rays!!! where are the x-rays!!! he gained weight thats all! :banghead :banghead

can i see proof of your medical degree? Your arguement is bs. 1, there is still 0 proof he uses steroids, and 2, even if it did, so what?

steroids is cheating...duh

 

two, face's don't gain 15% head mass unless he becomes a total fat ass. Bonds is not fat, but his head is way bigger. Edgar MArtinez, Cliff Floyd, and Sammy Sosa are all bigger than they were, but their heads didn't grow by 15%. Bonds skull literally grew, you must be blind if you don't see it.

 

And how dare you say it is not a big deal. All steroid users should be kicked out of the sport.

steroids is cheating...duh

 

two, face's don't gain 15% head mass unless he becomes a total fat ass. Bonds is not fat, but his head is way bigger. Edgar MArtinez, Cliff Floyd, and Sammy Sosa are all bigger than they were, but their heads didn't grow by 15%. Bonds skull literally grew, you must be blind if you don't see it.

 

And how dare you say it is not a big deal. All steroid users should be kicked out of the sport.

Bonds got thicker, but until you show me an x-ray of his skull, I don't see the growth. You're basing it off baseball card pictures, which is inane...

and one more thing, if this head growth is so indicative of steroid use, and it's blatantly obvious, don't you think one reporter would have gotten a specialist to speak out about this (at least for one article)? Bonds isn't a popular guy to the media, so it isn't as if people are dancing around the issue, so don't you think at least one person would have made an issue about this "head growth?"

steroids is cheating...duh

 

two, face's don't gain 15% head mass unless he becomes a total fat ass. Bonds is not fat, but his head is way bigger. Edgar MArtinez, Cliff Floyd, and Sammy Sosa are all bigger than they were, but their heads didn't grow by 15%. Bonds skull literally grew, you must be blind if you don't see it.

 

And how dare you say it is not a big deal. All steroid users should be kicked out of the sport.

Bonds got thicker, but until you show me an x-ray of his skull, I don't see the growth. You're basing it off baseball card pictures, which is inane... You know, x-rays are photographs too...just pretend the flesh isn't there.

 

and to your other point, the old host of around the horn would talk about how the size of bond's head exploded a million times. No one decided to do what I did, prove that is head does not match with other photographs from the past.

 

What's next, you're going to debate your head isn't bigger now when copared to your head in baby photos?

steroids is cheating...duh

 

two, face's don't gain 15% head mass unless he becomes a total fat ass.? Bonds is not fat, but his head is way bigger.? Edgar MArtinez, Cliff Floyd, and Sammy Sosa are all bigger than they were, but their heads didn't grow by 15%.? Bonds skull literally grew, you must be blind if you don't see it.

 

And how dare you say it is not a big deal.? All steroid users should be kicked out of the sport.

Bonds got thicker, but until you show me an x-ray of his skull, I don't see the growth. You're basing it off baseball card pictures, which is inane... You know, x-rays are photographs too...just pretend the flesh isn't there.

 

and to your other point, the old host of around the horn would talk about how the size of bond's head exploded a million times. No one decided to do what I did, prove that is head does not match with other photographs from the past.

 

What's next, you're going to debate your head isn't bigger now when copared to your head in baby photos? how about this one: if Bonds' head grew "15%" his hat size would have, understandably, expanded. Let's say that his hat size when he came into the league was 7 1/2, not a reach for a man who is 6' 2," in fact, that may be an underestimate. If it increased 15% it would have jumped 1 1/8, making his hat size 8 5/8, far and away the biggest in the MLB, Kevin Mench wears an 8. I think an issue would be raised about that, perhaps in a joking manner about his head being the biggest, especially considering the biggest size New Era makes is an 8.

 

Go ahead and show the baseball card pictures again, but it just isn't realistic to suggest growth of the magnitude you're stating as fact.

You know, x-rays are photographs too...just pretend the flesh isn't there.

how much do you take off before you get to the bone?!?!?!?! so once again it proves nothing whatsoever

he's not fat, what I am saying is you wouldn't have to take off that much.

steroids is cheating...duh

 

two, face's don't gain 15% head mass unless he becomes a total fat ass.? Bonds is not fat, but his head is way bigger.? Edgar MArtinez, Cliff Floyd, and Sammy Sosa are all bigger than they were, but their heads didn't grow by 15%.? Bonds skull literally grew, you must be blind if you don't see it.

 

And how dare you say it is not a big deal.? All steroid users should be kicked out of the sport.

Bonds got thicker, but until you show me an x-ray of his skull, I don't see the growth. You're basing it off baseball card pictures, which is inane... You know, x-rays are photographs too...just pretend the flesh isn't there.

 

and to your other point, the old host of around the horn would talk about how the size of bond's head exploded a million times. No one decided to do what I did, prove that is head does not match with other photographs from the past.

 

What's next, you're going to debate your head isn't bigger now when copared to your head in baby photos? how about this one: if Bonds' head grew "15%" his hat size would have, understandably, expanded. Let's say that his hat size when he came into the league was 7 1/2, not a reach for a man who is 6' 2," in fact, that may be an underestimate. If it increased 15% it would have jumped 1 1/8, making his hat size 8 5/8, far and away the biggest in the MLB, Kevin Mench wears an 8. I think an issue would be raised about that, perhaps in a joking manner about his head being the biggest, especially considering the biggest size New Era makes is an 8.

 

Go ahead and show the baseball card pictures again, but it just isn't realistic to suggest growth of the magnitude you're stating as fact. I don't know if it is exactly 15%, I just know that there's the definite difference that you see between the two pictures.