After throwing a 4 hit complete game(7 inning) shutout for AAA Rochester, Rick Helling said good bye to the Red Wings and left for his home in Minnesota.

 

"I didn't sign a contract to pitch in the minor leagues.... I'm going home" is what Red Wings manager, Phil Roof, quoted Helling as saying.

 

No word as to where Rick will end up.

 

http://www.rochesterdandc.com/sports/wings...1F_sports.shtml

the fish should get him up here

anything to get rid of bump

I'm fully in favor of keeping Ben Howard instead of Bump

The Marlins should get him again, he was very solid with us and can fill in for the long relief instead of Oliver.

Bump isn't very good. But he has been misused. Seems like he always is out there throing 2 innings. oh well

He wants to start

I would pick him up as a starter now, we need him. Put Phelps back in the pen, send Bump to AAA, and viola....Helling is happy and we have a starter.

I would pick him up as a starter now, we need him. Put Phelps back in the pen, send Bump to AAA, and viola....Helling is happy and we have a starter.

For the short term only

 

What happens when Beckett moves him out of the rotation?

I would pick him up as a starter now, we need him. Put Phelps back in the pen, send Bump to AAA, and viola....Helling is happy and we have a starter.

Geez, can we oversimplify any more? Helling wouldn't be happy long. Helling would be happy for all of 2 starts until Beckett comes back. I think you need to give him credit for being intelligent enough to figure out that he ain't starting on a team with Beckett, Burnett, Willis, Pavano, and Penny.

 

If he wants to be on a mjaor league roster, and the first guy to start if one of the regular starters go down, then he'd be happy here. If he wants to be a starter all season, he needs to look elsewhere and I suspect he will.

I would pick him up as a starter now, we need him. Put Phelps back in the pen, send Bump to AAA, and viola....Helling is happy and we have a starter.

For the short term only

 

What happens when Beckett moves him out of the rotation? I have a feeling that Beckett and Burnett are going to need a fire lit under them to perform. Competition for the job always lights a fire.

I have a feeling that Beckett and Burnett are going to need a fire lit under them to perform. Competition for the job always lights a fire.

Burnett isn't going to need any motivation to perform. He's trying to come back from injury. He'll be motivated for a while, maybe too motivated. I'd rather him not looking over his shoulder too.

 

Maybe competition would help Beckett, but how does that make Helling happy? Helling wants to start - that's not starting. That's sitting in the bullpen as a potential starter. That won't make him happy. Look at it from Helling's point of view. If it's true he wants to start, we can't offer that to him.

 

And there is no way anybody, especially Beckett, is going to look at Rick Helling as competition for Beckett. Not going to happen.

 

When somebody enters your doghouse, you lose all rational thought, don't you? First you think it's better to trade Beckett than Pavano, and now you think Helling could push Beckett for a spot in the rotation. Beckett has been mediocre - a .500 pitcher with an ERA of 4. That's still better than Helling.

I have a feeling that Beckett and Burnett are going to need a fire lit under them to perform. Competition for the job always lights a fire.

Burnett isn't going to need any motivation to perform. He's trying to come back from injury. He'll be motivated for a while, maybe too motivated. I'd rather him not looking over his shoulder too.

 

Maybe competition would help Beckett, but how does that make Helling happy? Helling wants to start - that's not starting. That's sitting in the bullpen as a potential starter. That won't make him happy. Look at it from Helling's point of view. If it's true he wants to start, we can't offer that to him.

 

And there is no way anybody, especially Beckett, is going to look at Rick Helling as competition for Beckett. Not going to happen.

 

When somebody enters your doghouse, you lose all rational thought, don't you? First you think it's better to trade Beckett than Pavano, and now you think Helling could push Beckett for a spot in the rotation. Beckett has been mediocre - a .500 pitcher with an ERA of 4. That's still better than Helling. I think that Jack can create a situation in which Beckett threatened by Oliver.

 

Don't underestimate McKeon, he can make life for a player a living hell. Beckett can be stuck in DL Land for most of the season and his salary will drop faster than Enron stock.

I think that Jack can create a situation in which Beckett threatened by Oliver.

 

Don't underestimate McKeon, he can make life for a player a living hell. Beckett can be stuck in DL Land for most of the season and his salary will drop faster than Enron stock.

I think you've gone off the deep end, unless you're intentionally saying irrational things about Beckett because you think as "media guru" that somehow he will find out about your opinions and try harder to prove you wrong.

 

McKeon can make Beckett's life hell. If he can do it with Oliver like you said, why do you need Helling?

 

You never have addressed how being a starter for 2 games, or being a threat, will make Helling happy.

 

Beckett is arby eligible. If he spends the rest of the season on the DL, he's still double his salary this offseason.

I think that Jack can create a situation in which Beckett threatened by Oliver.

 

Don't underestimate McKeon, he can make life for a player a living hell. Beckett can be stuck in DL Land for most of the season and his salary will drop faster than Enron stock.

I think you've gone off the deep end, unless you're intentionally saying irrational things about Beckett because you think as "media guru" that somehow he will find out about your opinions and try harder to prove you wrong.

 

McKeon can make Beckett's life hell. If he can do it with Oliver like you said, why do you need Helling?

 

You never have addressed how being a starter for 2 games, or being a threat, will make Helling happy.

 

Beckett is arby eligible. If he spends the rest of the season on the DL, he's still double his salary this offseason. Helling is a pitcher, but he wants to start, but something is better than nothing.

 

He came here last year in a similar situation, maybe we can repeat.

the Royals shoudl sign Helling.

Helling is a pitcher, but he wants to start, but something is better than nothing.

 

He came here last year in a similar situation, maybe we can repeat.

That's not what you said. You said "I would pick him up as a starter now, we need him. Put Phelps back in the pen, send Bump to AAA, and viola....Helling is happy and we have a starter."

 

You said that Helling would be happy because he would be a starter. When it was pointed out to you that he wouldn't be starting for very long, you started with the "lighting a fire under Burnett and Beckett" drivel, and now you're saying "something is better than nothing." That last part is the first rational thing you've said today but it's not what you said earlier in this thread.

the Royals shoudl sign Helling.

He could probably start for Kansas City, so it could come down to starting for a terrible team or contributing in the bullpen for a contender.

 

I wish we could get him for our bullpen, using the lure of playing for a contender that he's familiar with. But if he's dead set on starting, I don't see how we can promise him that, barring an injury.

Helling is a pitcher, but he wants to start, but something is better than nothing.

 

He came here last year in a similar situation, maybe we can repeat.

That's not what you said. You said "I would pick him up as a starter now, we need him. Put Phelps back in the pen, send Bump to AAA, and viola....Helling is happy and we have a starter."

 

You said that Helling would be happy because he would be a starter. When it was pointed out to you that he wouldn't be starting for very long, you started with the "lighting a fire under Burnett and Beckett" drivel, and now you're saying "something is better than nothing." That last part is the first rational thing you've said today but it's not what you said earlier in this thread. its not surprising when cape opens mouth and it makes no sense outside of maybe for today.

the Royals shoudl sign Helling.

He could probably start for Kansas City, so it could come down to starting for a terrible team or contributing in the bullpen for a contender.

 

I wish we could get him for our bullpen, using the lure of playing for a contender that he's familiar with. But if he's dead set on starting, I don't see how we can promise him that, barring an injury. it comes down to what he really wants.

 

 

 

i'm sure more than 1 team could use another starter though.

 

 

 

the marlins need a starter for 2 starts.

 

 

 

i would hope phelps could tread water until then.

 

 

 

 

if rick is willing to come out of hte pen then fine....

 

 

but he already has a ring....so at this point he is probably doing things he wants to do...starting is the thing he wants to do and at the MLB level.

 

 

anything else is probably a waste of time to him right now.

Helling is a pitcher, but he wants to start, but something is better than nothing.

 

He came here last year in a similar situation, maybe we can repeat.

That's not what you said. You said "I would pick him up as a starter now, we need him. Put Phelps back in the pen, send Bump to AAA, and viola....Helling is happy and we have a starter."

 

You said that Helling would be happy because he would be a starter. When it was pointed out to you that he wouldn't be starting for very long, you started with the "lighting a fire under Burnett and Beckett" drivel, and now you're saying "something is better than nothing." That last part is the first rational thing you've said today but it's not what you said earlier in this thread. its not surprising when cape opens mouth and it makes no sense outside of maybe for today. So i only make sense on fridays das? like you are so sensible.

 

you throw hypotheticals which also have no rational thought.

 

Helling comes back to start, but what if beckett and burnett (god forbid) cannot return to full capacity? We need some insurance.

Helling comes back to start, but what if beckett and burnett (god forbid) cannot return to full capacity? We need some insurance.

I want Helling for insurance, Cape. But it doesn't sound like he wants to be just insurance.

Helling comes back to start, but what if beckett and burnett (god forbid) cannot return to full capacity? We need some insurance.

I want Helling for insurance, Cape. But it doesn't sound like he wants to be just insurance. Ramon Castro didn't want to be third string last year, but he performed better that way than as a starter this year.

doesnt matter.

 

 

 

helling can choose what he does or does not do.

 

 

 

you cant seem to understand that cape.

Helling comes back to start, but what if beckett and burnett (god forbid) cannot return to full capacity? We need some insurance.

I want Helling for insurance, Cape. But it doesn't sound like he wants to be just insurance. Ramon Castro didn't want to be third string last year, but he performed better that way than as a starter this year. I'm not saying Helling won't perform as as insurance. I think he would (that's why I want him). So why would you even question that, and bring up Castro as an example.

 

We owned Castro's rights. We don't own Helling's rights. We need to talk him into coming here. Have you forgotten that he wants to start?

 

I never paid too much attention to your posts, Cape. Do you change the point of the argument every time you start losing?