July 4, 200323 yr it's a shame Brandon Webb gets no hype.... he is having a great year It's because he's not as flashy as DW... DW's wind up is a big reason besides of course his # he gets so much attention. He is fun to watch meaning The Stations play him... Also AJ What rock did you crawl out of, What you just said has no fact to it. At least Josh says that Pujols got a lot of attention you just completely played him off.
July 4, 200323 yr Author i totally agree on Webb, Rune... one could argue he is having a better year(w/o the W-L) than DW but most here would say im an idiot
July 4, 200323 yr Exactly. Pujos wasn't on the covers of mags, wasn't being writen about by almost EVERY big name in the biz...Ect... :banghead I hardly consider being on a little line on the top of Bo Jackson being on the cover.
July 4, 200323 yr Exactly. Pujos wasn't on the covers of mags, wasn't being writen about by almost EVERY big name in the biz...Ect... :banghead I hardly consider being on a little line on the top of Bo Jackson being on the cover. Cover of Baseball America... And Webb is good, no doubt, but he isn't Dontrelle. Not close.
July 4, 200323 yr Here is how to determine Pujols vs. Willis. After two-three months of playing was Pujols being picked by many writers to be in the All Star Game?
July 4, 200323 yr Cover of Baseball America... And Webb is good, no doubt, but he isn't Dontrelle. Not close. Cover of Baseball America I would bet you that Pujols was on The Cover of BA because seriously you have no competition from other sports plus DWill was not even supposed to be at this level yet, The Fish needed a spark so here he was. Pujols was in the same boat but he made the team... Also to say Webb is not even close to DW to quote Das shows your homerism, Webb's sinker is amazing unless you have players that are extreamly(sp) picky with their pitches he will be lights out...
July 4, 200323 yr Webb, 3 years older, 0.07 less ERA, Less K's in more innings, one more loss, 4 less wins, 19 total ER's Willis, 3 years younger, 0.07 more ERA, More K's in less innings, one less loss, 4 more wins, 17 total ER's
July 4, 200323 yr O watch out Webb is 3 years older, Last time I checked that meant jack s*** to this season. May I also remind you that Webb has gone without a lot of his run protection in the early part.
July 4, 200323 yr Author 3 years older.... so what is Webb 24 i love DW but he may not be the best rookie pitcher right now(definitely the most flair though) from someone who seems to know his stuff I'm not so sure that Willis is NL rookie of the year, he has gotten the press but is he the best rookie or even the best rookie pitcher? Lets look a little deeper: Let's start with some mundane stats from the normal pitching line: IP W-L ERA SO BB HR QS Willis 63.2 8-1 2.26 62 20 3 7 Webb 77 4-2 2.10 58 22 5 11 Now Lets look at more advanced Metrics which tell a more complete story: SNWP OPS IP per stat Willis .724 .658 6.3 Webb .806!! .568 6.91 Leads majors with 10 or more starts! Brandon Webb has made 11 starts, and all 11 of them have been "quality starts"!! Brandon Webb has held opposing batters to a .568 OPS, while Willis has held them to a .658 OPS... not close. The most telling stat and the most important stat when evaluating a how a pitcher has pitched is his support neutral winning percentage, where Brandon Webb leads major league baseball with a SNWP of over .800! Meaning if he received normal bullpen, offensive and defensive support in a neutral park his team would win over 80% of there games! A remarkable figure! Not only has Webb been better on a rate basis, but he has pitched more innings an extra start and has average more than half an inning more per start! This isn't close! Brandon Webb despite pitching in a much tougher park to pitch in, has easily out pitched Dontrell Willis! All though you wouldn't know it from watching sports center! Willis very well may be more exciting. Willis may very well end up being a better pitcher. Willis may very well be a better pitcher... But he sure as heck hasn't been as good at getting batters out as Brandon Webb has this season. Note: this was written before DW's start last night
July 4, 200323 yr I think last night proves Dontrelle needs more offense behind him. And 3 years does matter. It means he's had that much more time to develop than Willis, and he still isn't as good...(He is good, no doubt).
July 4, 200323 yr I think last night proves Dontrelle needs more offense behind him. And 3 years does matter. It means he's had that much more time to develop than Willis, and he still isn't as good...(He is good, no doubt). What do you mean he had more time to develop? He went to college... He had the same amount of time as Dwill to develop in The Minors...
July 4, 200323 yr College is just like the minors... Not much different learning wise... Willis had 2-3 years to learn in the minors, with no college. Webb had 2-4 years of college and then 2-4 years in the minors... That's a difference...
July 4, 200323 yr College is just like the minors... Not much different learning wise... Willis had 2-3 years to learn in the minors, with no college. Webb had 2-4 years of college and then 2-4 years in the minors... That's a difference... How is playing against mainly undrafted players who will never touch an independent let alone an affiliate match up with The Minors? DWill had pitched against other prospects and better than the majority of players Webb faced.
July 4, 200323 yr Dontrelle pitched at a younger age against better players and did better than Webb. Now they are facing the same level of play and DW is still better and 3-years younger.
July 4, 200323 yr Dontrelle pitched at a younger age against better players and did better than Webb. Now they are facing the same level of play and DW is still better and 3-years younger. How is having a higher ERA, having more wins mostly due to Webb's offense hurt by injuries plus having Williams for most of his season not having Shea remind you. Webb and Willis are equal no matter how you want to look at it of course you'll say Willis is better simply on the fact that He is a fish.
July 4, 200323 yr Age has nothing to do with it. I have to say Webb is as good as Willis and deserves more hype.
July 4, 200323 yr Anyone in baseball will tell you Willis is better. Anyone. Nothing against Webb, but Willis has the hype, the stuff, the stats. Everyone loves the kid. Is Webb being rumored to the AS game? I don't think so. Is Webb going to win the NL ROY? Nope. Is Webb going to be in the top 10 in Cy voting? No. There's a reason for all of that...
July 4, 200323 yr Author Anyone in baseball will tell you Willis is better. Anyone. Nothing against Webb, but Willis has the hype, the stuff, the stats. Everyone loves the kid. Is Webb being rumored to the AS game? I don't think so. Is Webb going to win the NL ROY? Nope. Is Webb going to be in the top 10 in Cy voting? No. There's a reason for all of that... sorry Josh, but you dont have a clue what you are talking about right now
July 4, 200323 yr Anyone in baseball will tell you Willis is better. Anyone. Nothing against Webb, but Willis has the hype, the stuff, the stats. Everyone loves the kid. Is Webb being rumored to the AS game? I don't think so. Is Webb going to win the NL ROY? Nope. Is Webb going to be in the top 10 in Cy voting? No. There's a reason for all of that... That's all I have to say...
July 4, 200323 yr Anyone in baseball will tell you Willis is better. Anyone. Nothing against Webb, but Willis has the hype, the stuff, the stats. Everyone loves the kid. Is Webb being rumored to the AS game? I don't think so. Is Webb going to win the NL ROY? Nope. Is Webb going to be in the top 10 in Cy voting? No. There's a reason for all of that... Did you see BT? Because they talk about this and Bobby V said Webb is just as good and has a shot at the ROY. He said the thing the seperates the two is Willis's charisma.
July 4, 200323 yr Author Where am I at all off-base? because you refuse to look at facts Willis is younger and he is lefty.... otherwise they are about =
July 4, 200323 yr Where am I at all off-base? Where are you off base? You basically just said that Brandon Webb a kid who has one of the best sinkers you'll see, is piece of crap! That's where your off base and as we can see you are Ms. Cleo, O wait she couldn't see into the future either. Webb has been talked about as much with The Experts as Willis but we all know that The thing that seperates them in media attention is Willis is fun to watch. Not stats, nothing, It's about The Appeal Factor.
July 4, 200323 yr Willis has better stuff. For the most part he has better stats. He also has three more years to get as old as Webb, which means he'll gain experience and will only get better and better progressively...
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