February 9, 200521 yr Elections go about as well as can be expected... Later some sort of constitution is drafted, a government is elected, largely Shiite. This new very Islamic (but still democratic) government thanks the U.S. for their help, shows them the exit, and soon after decides it's in their best interests to start up a nuclear weapons program. What happens? Are we back to square one?
February 9, 200521 yr The US will not be leaving Iraq this decade, not completely. Oh, and where would they get money for the nuke programs? Who is getting most of that oil money now?
February 9, 200521 yr Elections go about as well as can be expected... Later some sort of constitution is drafted, a government is elected, largely Shiite. This new very Islamic (but still democratic) government thanks the U.S. for their help, shows them the exit, and soon after decides it's in their best interests to start up a nuclear weapons program. Are we back to square one? 680974[/snapback] No, because by then the general population of the world will be controlled by a few prestigous and powerful corporations, as part of a radical movement toward the enslavement of men...That's when we'll back at square one. But seriously--call me crazy, but I don't think there are many people out there that share the same views as Sadam or Osama. The nuclear technology won't be a factor (barring black market introduction) for a long time. Iraq has shown their inability to develop much (as was evident when we didn't find jack squat in terms of weapons). The biggest area of concern is still in the present--Iran...When you have a nation like that in your backyard, it won't take long for their leaders to start spreading influence throughout the Middle East--but still, we're talking 20-30 years from now. United States will be keeping a close eye on Iraq for a while after the government is put into full force. I think we're in for a century of drama, confrontation, and a few wars spread about--but what's new? It's the general pattern of life, and history shows that nothing can stop this vicious cycle. The best we can hope for is Iraq to elect a leader who understands the ideals of morality and humanity. Perhaps they can learn that from us: :whistle
February 9, 200521 yr Author The US will not be leaving Iraq this decade, not completely. Oh, and where would they get money for the nuke programs? Who is getting most of that oil money now? 680975[/snapback] well I'm assuming Iraq will be able to see some of those oil profits before long, they've got a bit of rebuilding to do there....
February 9, 200521 yr Elections go about as well as can be expected... Later some sort of constitution is drafted, a government is elected, largely Shiite. This new very Islamic (but still democratic) government thanks the U.S. for their help, shows them the exit, and soon after decides it's in their best interests to start up a nuclear weapons program. What happens? Are we back to square one? 680974[/snapback] Good hypo hotcorner. IMO, we are worse off but not for the reasons one might think. We go from an antiAmerican who really didnt have the capabilities of getting the nuke program because of the sanctions to less threatening to US interests government having them. But what makes things worse is that the atomic clock moves just a little more and yet another nation, whether friendly to the US or not, is playing with fire. To add to this, I dont think the presence of a largely Islamic government is necessarily a threat to the US. Most of these guys know the importance of open cooperation and would probably be activley friendly with the US. They arent antiwest defacto. But if things dont go their way and they decide to abandon democracy, who knows what changes.
February 9, 200521 yr Elections go about as well as can be expected... Later some sort of constitution is drafted, a government is elected, largely Shiite.? This new very Islamic (but still democratic) government thanks the U.S. for their help, shows them the exit, and soon after decides it's in their best interests to start up a nuclear weapons program.? What happens?? Are we back to square one? 680974[/snapback] Good hypo hotcorner. IMO, we are worse off but not for the reasons one might think. We go from an antiAmerican who really didnt have the capabilities of getting the nuke program because of the sanctions to less threatening to US interests government having them. But what makes things worse is that the atomic clock moves just a little more and yet another nation, whether friendly to the US or not, is playing with fire. To add to this, I dont think the presence of a largely Islamic government is necessarily a threat to the US. Most of these guys know the importance of open cooperation and would probably be activley friendly with the US. They arent antiwest defacto. But if things dont go their way and they decide to abandon democracy, who knows what changes. 680993[/snapback] This is a pretty good analysis. However, its going to be very hard for them to be anti-democratic. Why? First of all there will ALWAYS be a US presence there unless if the US fails to exist. Iraq's democracy will be built like Germany's post-war democracy, with onlookers. The parliamentary system that is beign formed now includes sunni's also in the assembly. Same way congressional democrats cna now block legislation, so will the parliamentary sunni's. Furthermore, the const will not be completely radical b/c of foreign intervention. The only way the shitte radicals can take complete control is if the U.S. pulls out completely for w/e reason. This will require the Iraqi forces to turn on the U.S., until that happens. Iraq's govt will be controllable. By the way the majority of the oil money is going to be used to build Iraq. The trick is that the corporations that will assist in rebuilding will make the money, but itll be mutli beneficial for the parties involved. Not only that, a free Iraq will also attract business and investments. It isnt a linear flow of money. Oil to U.S., its more like Oil money goes to corporations , corporations rebuild Iraq, corporations stay in Iraq, Iraq makes money off investments.
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