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This debate ends 7:00 PM Eastern on 2/12.

 

Topic: Is it worth signing a player with subpar stats just for team chemistry? Would you rather have a clubhouse jokester batting .200 or a clubhouse cancer batting .330?

 

Clubhouse "Cancer" - BurnettHeat34

 

Clubhouse "Jokester" - Accord

 

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Signing a player with sub-par stats for the sole purpose of having team chemistry and unity in the clubhouse is very important, every team needs a jokester and if you've got an extra spot on the bench you have absolutely nothing to lose.

 

If you look at every championship team over the past 3 decades, they all had one thing in common: chemistry. I think every Marlin fan will agree that in a 7 game series, it doesn't matter who you are or how big your pay roll is, at the end of the day the team with the best chemistry will always come out on top and having a clubhouse cancer certainly will not achieve this.

 

One player does not win a championship, it doesn't matter if they're batting .330 or .200, however their attitudes and the way they carry themselves has a domino effect on all of their teammates. A clubhouse cancer that is constantly causing problems, complaining in the media, starting fights in the clubhouse, etc. does nothing but kill team morale, destroy any chemistry, and cause lots of tension and this will certainly reflect on the rest of the teams on-field performance.

 

Baseball season is the longest in all of sports, every team will eventually hit a rut and players will go through slumps during the season. During these times, if you have a clubhouse cancer your team will crumble and morale will hit an all time low, before you know it you'll have players demanding trades and it will be a horrible situation. If you got a team jokester that keeps the team unified, it will be a lot easier to get through these tough times.

 

In conclusion, having a mediocre player that is the team jokester is far more beneficial than having a superstar that is a clubhouse cancer. Just take a look at every single superstar player that was a clubhouse cancer, they may have a lot of personal success but you can't say the same about their teams.

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Having a clubhouse jokester just for the sake of having one does not benefit the team at all. I am aware of the fact that every championship teams needs someone on the bench to get keep them loose during tough stretches, but if this person does not produce on the field than he?s worthless. Just look at Lenny Harris, who is a clubhouse jokester, he can hardly hit and he is not dependable at all as a defender. He is a wasted roster spot who blocks some minor leaguers who can contribute more to the team.

 

On the other hand having clubhouse cancer who happens to be one of your team?s superstars is a whole lot more useful to your team. According to Jack McKeon in order to have a championship team you need as many guys as possible having their best years. I happen to agree with him, because if you have as many producers as possible it does not matter if you have a clubhouse cancer or not as long as you are winning ballgames. A single player does not win a championship, but if one player is hitting over .300 and has over 100 RBI he?s certainly going to help you get there. Take a look at the 2004 Angels they had one of the biggest cancers in baseball in Jose Guillen, but he put up great number and helped them get to the playoff. Something the marlins could not do while having a guy like Harris on the team.

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Having a clubhouse jokester just for the sake of having one does not benefit the team at all. I am aware of the fact that every championship teams needs someone on the bench to get keep them loose during tough stretches, but if this person does not produce on the field than he?s worthless. Just look at Lenny Harris, who is a clubhouse jokester, he can hardly hit and he is not dependable at all as a defender. He is a wasted roster spot who blocks some minor leaguers who can contribute more to the team.

 

On the other hand having clubhouse cancer who happens to be one of your team?s superstars is a whole lot more useful to your team. According to Jack McKeon in order to have a championship team you need as many guys as possible having their best years. I happen to agree with him, because if you have as many producers as possible it does not matter if you have a clubhouse cancer or not as long as you are winning ballgames. A single player does not win a championship, but if one player is hitting over .300 and has over 100 RBI he?s certainly going to help you get there. Take a look at the 2004 Angels they had one of the biggest cancers in baseball in Jose Guillen, but he put up great number and helped them get to the playoff. Something the marlins could not do while having a guy like Harris on the team.

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It is downright absurd to say the Marlins could not make the playoffs because we had Lenny Harris on our bench. Fact of the matter is every team needs a clubhouse jokester that keeps everyone staying positive and to keep things loose. One thing that every winning ballclub has in common is that they're out there having fun. Lenny Harris is not blocking any spots on our bench, you say he can't hit? He is the all-time pinch hit king and he is on our bench to do just that. Lenny Harris is not blocking any of our prospects, this is not the NBA, our prospects are better suited staying in the minors and getting numerous AB's everyday rather than rotting away on a major league bench getting 1 pinch hit a week.

 

Just because someone doesn't produce on the field (not saying Lenny doesn't produce) doesn't mean he's worthless, and if you've got an extra roster spot available then you have absolutely nothing to lose. Having a clubhouse jokester that keeps everyone staying positive and staying loose is no different than having an old major league journeyman on the team who really can't play that well anymore but is there to sit on the bench and mentor the younger players, in both cases the players can't really contribute any numbers but they both help the team in more ways than one.

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Thanks, it must have been hard to justify wanting a clubhouse cancer :lol .

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Yea it was. I tried to pit down the a clubhouse jokester and to have the clubhouse cancer as the better of two evils but didnt quite work out. Either way i think i did alright

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Sabermetrics? Bill James?

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