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JUPITER, Fla. -- Walking into the Marlins' clubhouse at 8:30 a.m. on Sunday was an educational experience for slugger Carlos Delgado.

 

"This is more like the first day in a new school," Delgado said shortly after locating his locker. "It's exciting."

 

Much of the excitement centered on the Marlins has been generated by the free agent signing of Delgado, the power-hitting first baseman who belted 336 career home runs in 12 seasons with the Blue Jays.

 

Sunday was the first day position players reported to Spring Training. Escorted by a security official, Delgado was whisked through the Marlins' parking lot to the side door of the clubhouse. Greeting him were dozens of autograph seekers who huddled at the gates leading to the building.

 

"It was a nice welcome," said Delgado, who pulled into his apartment near Jupiter on Saturday night. "There were a lot of people out there. It was a big change."

 

On Monday, Delgado is slated to take his physical. He's hoping he can get a free pass because about three weeks ago he underwent a battery of medical exams before signing his four-year, $52 million contract.

 

A driving force behind bringing in Delgado was Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria.

 

"Jeffrey Loria wants to win," Marlins manager Jack McKeon said. "It's a definite indication to the fans of South Florida that he is committed. He said he is going to try to put a winner in here every year, and he's walked the walk. He did the talkin' but he also did the walkin'. He provided the extra financial support that enabled us to acquire these guys. He's dedicated. This guy wants to win, every year. He's a winner. He'll do everything possible and give you every chance to win."

 

Wearing No. 25, Delgado's locker is next to that of rising star Miguel Cabrera, who happens to wear No. 24.

 

With Cabrera expected to bat third and Delgado fourth, the Marlins have a formidable middle of the order.

 

Delgado has yet to meet the 21-year-old Cabrera, but he has seen enough of his talent to know the Venezuelan star is special.

 

"I think he is going to be a superstar in this game," Delgado said of his young teammate. "I'm looking forward to meeting him, talking to him and seeing what he can do."

 

In Toronto, Delgado was regarded as one of the team's most dedicated workers. He would often arrive at the ballpark early to work out.

 

As dedicated as he is, Delgado probably won't be the first Marlin at the ballpark. Workaholic center fielder Juan Pierre is regularly at the complex at 7 a.m., nearly three hours before the team hits the field.

 

"I'm not going to be here at seven in the morning," Delgado said with a laugh. "I'll be here, it all depends upon when the workouts begin. I like to get here early, and I like to work out, but definitely not seven in the morning."

 

Viewed as the missing piece to a predominantly right-handed hitting lineup, Delgado's presence has the Marlins' eager to return to the postseason.

 

"What he gives us is a psychological lift, knowing that the management group and the ownership group is desirous of doing as much as they can to provide the best players possible," McKeon said. "I know in 2003, when we picked up [Jeff] Conine and [ugueth] Urbina, it gave the guys a psychological lift. It shows these guys are really serious about helping us. When this thing happened, I think it did the same thing to the players. The ownership is giving us some help here, now it's up to us to go out and do it."

 

Delgado watched the 2003 playoffs, and was more impressed with how the Marlins rallied to beat the Cubs in the National League Championship Series than the way they performed against the Yankees in the World Series.

 

"It was great," Delgado said. "I liked the series against Chicago a little better. In the World Series, they just kind of dominated. The Chicago series was pretty exciting. I think [Josh] Beckett's performance was amazing. To come in relief, and then come back in Game 7. And I guess the whole foul-ball incident, everybody in Chicago will never forget that. It was great. It was dominating pitching."

 

What the Marlins did in 2003 shaped Delgado's decision to join the Marlins.

 

"Now I have the opportunity to play with guys who have been where I want to go," Delgado said. "I've never been to the postseason. That's why I'm here."

 

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It's terrific to see that Delgado is getting all his teammates into it. Loria has done an extraordinary job making the Marlins into a winning team. Delgado will surely improve the hitting of all of our players. He's going to be amazed when he sees Miguel play in person. Delgado is going to see how good his protection is in the lineup with Miguel. Delgado really wanted to play with the Marlins so I know that he will undoubtebly play with zeal. Delgado is going to work hard but he won't even come close to surpassing Juan Pierre as far as working out goes. The best thing that I see here is Delgado's strong desire to win the WS. He has never won the WS before and has never even gone to the playoffs. But he has seen that we have gone all the way despite not getting respected and he wants to make it happen again. Very nice article, thanks for posting it!

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I'm more convinced every day that signing Delgado was absolutely the best move the Marlins have ever made. Has there been ANY negative press or discussions about the Marlins getting this guy - other than him not standing for God Bless America? His signing is going to make every one on this team believe that we are the team to beat, which IMO is a needed change to put some early pressure on us to contend for the NL east and remove that "us against the world" mentality that doomed us last year.

 

Now, all we have to do to remove all doubt in the clubhouse is lock up AJ long term before trade rumors begin to swirl midseason...

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Has there been ANY negative press or discussions about the Marlins getting this guy - other than him not standing for God Bless America?

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Yes. People have stated that they think we overpayed for him and we could have got more for our money had we gone for someone else. And you must admit that we did overpay for Delgado a little. But it's worth it for us because we were in need for some power in our lineup and if possible from a lefty.

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Has there been ANY negative press or discussions about the Marlins getting this guy - other than him not standing for God Bless America?

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Yes. People have stated that they think we overpayed for him and we could have got more for our money had we gone for someone else. And you must admit that we did overpay for Delgado a little. But it's worth it for us because we were in need for some power in our lineup and if possible from a lefty.

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Plus, a lot of people think we shoulda put the money into the stadium instead of paying a first baseman that much,

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Given the free agent market this past year, we didn't overpay. Sexson got 50 million over 4 years... I think Delgado's better than Sexson.

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ok...very nice...good for you. Sexson got overpaid...so did JD Drew and many others...but that doesn't mean that we have to overpay for our players.

 

If you look around at some of the guys signed then you'll see that there were an ample sum of fantastic players that got paid a puny amount of money that we could have easily offered.

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Given the free agent market this past year, we didn't overpay.? Sexson got 50 million over 4 years... I think Delgado's better than Sexson.

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ok...very nice...good for you. Sexson got overpaid...so did JD Drew and many others...but that doesn't mean that we have to overpay for our players.

 

If you look around at some of the guys signed then you'll see that there were an ample sum of fantastic players that got paid a puny amount of money that we could have easily offered.

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Give me some names and let me know if they're power hitting lefties. Also let me know if they're good enough to turn us into top contenders.

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Given the free agent market this past year, we didn't overpay.? Sexson got 50 million over 4 years... I think Delgado's better than Sexson.

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ok...very nice...good for you. Sexson got overpaid...so did JD Drew and many others...but that doesn't mean that we have to overpay for our players.

 

If you look around at some of the guys signed then you'll see that there were an ample sum of fantastic players that got paid a puny amount of money that we could have easily offered.

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A few solid role players is not equal to one lefty slugger who's going to put us over the top.

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If our bullpen is struggling, we can make a move in June or July.

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So it wouldn't bother you if our bullpen struggled for a month or two since it's not that long...I understand. It wouldn't irritate me either...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if I wasn't a Marlins fan. :plain

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Our weakness: Bullpen

 

Kyle Farnsworth was traded to the Tigers for 3 minor leaguers. That's one guys that we really missed out on and could have really helped us out AND we would still have a lot more money to spend on other players.

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So we missed the boat on Farnsworth eh?... The guy who has never put it all together. The guy who has a career era of 4.78... The guy who last August, when his team needed him most, put at a 19.29 ERA in 11 games.... The guy who throws the straightest fastball in the majors.... The guy who wore out his welcome in Chicago

 

whats the point of giving up something like Hutchinson, Andino and Kensing for him?

 

none.

 

We have a guy who could/should be better than Farnsworth in Tim Spooneybarger but I doubt you have heard of him

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If our bullpen is struggling, we can make a move in June or July.

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So it wouldn't bother you if our bullpen struggled for a month or two since it's not that long...I understand. It wouldn't irritate me either...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if I wasn't a Marlins fan. :plain

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Our bullpen looks fine to me. Every team (even the Yankees) has issues with its bullpen coming into the season. The addition of Delgado means more than the addition of one or two more arms in the pen. Besides, with Delgado here, several more games may not come down to the bullpen as they would if he wasn't here.

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If our bullpen is struggling, we can make a move in June or July.

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So it wouldn't bother you if our bullpen struggled for a month or two since it's not that long...I understand. It wouldn't irritate me either...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if I wasn't a Marlins fan. :plain

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Our bullpen looks fine to me. Every team (even the Yankees) has issues with its bullpen coming into the season. The addition of Delgado means more than the addition of one or two more arms in the pen. Besides, with Delgado here, several more games may not come down to the bullpen as they would if he wasn't here.

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Our bullpen is not fine...we lost a key pitcher in Benitez and Mota will never be able to pitch the way Benitez did last year. Our bullpen this upcoming year will be worse than our bullpen last year IMO. And what I'm sacred of with the bullpen is that even though we have Delgado we may get the lead early in the game and give it up and lose in the end with the bullpen. And don't compare our bullpen to the top spenders in the leauge bullpen...please. The Yankees dont use their money wisely but theyre still good.

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IMO there's 2 ways to gauge whether we "overpaid" for Delgado. One is to look around and see what other guys got....the other is to look at whether the Marlins reached for a guy that they didn't need - even if the price was the going market rate. Either way, I believe the Marlins didn't overpay. For big bats with large year contracts, Delgado's avg. salary of $ 13M is less than Magglio and around what Sexson got. Beltre got around the same avg. for more years. And the dodgers gave Drew his money over longer years, and he isn't even in the same league as Delgado in terms of consistency and production. IMO, Delgado's final price was at about the market rate...which should be considered when determining if you overpaid.

 

In terms of whether the Marlins shouldn't have paid market price for this guy anyway, I don't think you're considering that Delgado is:

 

(1) a bona-fide elite FA who agreed to defer serious money to play for a contender and did not demand a no trade clause

(2) a much needed lefty bat who provides SERIOUS pop and slides into the 4 hole of a team that lacked ANY left-handed power...and sorely need it.

(3) is a serious upgrade at a position where Conine was thought to possibly miss the beginning of the season, and was likely gone at the end of the season anyway

(4) is a player who filled a position that the Marlins have no serious prospects in the minors (except for Stokes...if anyone still considers him "serious")

(4) who is latin...you cannot overlook this when considering the long-term impact of his addition to the team

(5) a player who merely by his presence has created a "buzz" that has got the SFla community talking about the marlins and coming out to fanfest in record numbers.

 

In case you forgot....my position is that the Delgado signing is the BEST signing the Marlins have ever made, particularly when you consider what it means to the franchise.

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Delgado has yet to meet the 21-year-old Cabrera, but he has seen enough of his talent to know the Venezuelan star is special.

 

When does Cabrera get back? I wonder why he didn't arrive on time?

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He just finished playing a bunch of games in the Venezuelan winter league a couple of weeks ago... I am sure he needs to rest before coming to spring training.

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Given the free agent market this past year, we didn't overpay.? Sexson got 50 million over 4 years... I think Delgado's better than Sexson.

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ok...very nice...good for you. Sexson got overpaid...so did JD Drew and many others...but that doesn't mean that we have to overpay for our players.

 

If you look around at some of the guys signed then you'll see that there were an ample sum of fantastic players that got paid a puny amount of money that we could have easily offered.

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You obviously don't understand how the market works. Many other free agents got more overpaid than Delgado yet Delgado is still overpaid? Players got 'overpaid' because the market landscape changed. Looking at the manner at which the market operated at this offseason, Delgado was hardly a rip-off.

 

Second of all you are talking out your ass. There weren't many 'fantastic' players out there that got puny contracts. Who are you talking about? Sexson? Glaus? Beltre? Drew? Beltran? They all got big money comparable with Delgado and the majority of them if not all of them haven't performed at Delgado's level for as long as he has.

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If our bullpen is struggling, we can make a move in June or July.

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So it wouldn't bother you if our bullpen struggled for a month or two since it's not that long...I understand. It wouldn't irritate me either..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if I wasn't a Marlins fan. :plain

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Our bullpen looks fine to me. Every team (even the Yankees) has issues with its bullpen coming into the season. The addition of Delgado means more than the addition of one or two more arms in the pen. Besides, with Delgado here, several more games may not come down to the bullpen as they would if he wasn't here.

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Our bullpen is not fine...we lost a key pitcher in Benitez and Mota will never be able to pitch the way Benitez did last year. Our bullpen this upcoming year will be worse than our bullpen last year IMO. And what I'm sacred of with the bullpen is that even though we have Delgado we may get the lead early in the game and give it up and lose in the end with the bullpen. And don't compare our bullpen to the top spenders in the leauge bullpen...please. The Yankees dont use their money wisely but theyre still good.

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Our offense was one of the worst in the league last year. Getting someone like Delgado allows it to jump into a notch below elite. Our bullpen is alot deeper than last year's pen. We lost Benitez, Mota won't be as good as Benitez got our pen as a whole will be better because it's deeper.

 

Tired of people that don't appreciate what the bullpen is. It's alot more than just a closer. Mota has incredible stuff, was the best set-up man in baseball pitching more innings than any closer. He'll be fine. We also added a collection of veteran arms, two of which should have good - great seasons next year and with Spooney making a big splash during the second half, the pen will be fine.

 

Plus again back to Baseball Economics, bullpen help is CHEAP and is available always through trades during the middle of the season. Fish made the obvious and best choice by securing Delgado rather than add yet another bullpen arm.

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Given the free agent market this past year, we didn't overpay. Sexson got 50 million over 4 years... I think Delgado's better than Sexson.

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ok...very nice...good for you. Sexson got overpaid...so did JD Drew and many others...but that doesn't mean that we have to overpay for our players.

 

If you look around at some of the guys signed then you'll see that there were an ample sum of fantastic players that got paid a puny amount of money that we could have easily offered.

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You don't understand how the free agent market works. If Richie f***ing Sexson got 4 year/$50 million, then there is not a chance in hell Delgado would have taken anything less, period.

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"Our offense was one of the worst in the league last year. Getting someone like Delgado allows it to jump into a notch below elite. Our bullpen is alot deeper than last year's pen. We lost Benitez, Mota won't be as good as Benitez got our pen as a whole will be better because it's deeper. "

 

 

 

Completely agree. Our bullpen has a chance to be solid. Maybe now we'll win a few games by more than 1 run, and won't have to use our closer 50 times anyway (way too many were more than one inning).

 

Plus, a lot of the naysayers who think Pudge/Lee would have better off than Delgado/Lo Duca - which I think is the only valid argument against getting Delgado - and IMO a weak one - forget that letting Pudge go allowed us to go after Benitez. So, those critics would still have Looper going into the 9th. I think Mota is going to be a solid closer - and if he's not, at least he'll br a good 8th inning guy to get to Jones/Pulpo.

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If our bullpen is struggling, we can make a move in June or July.

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So it wouldn't bother you if our bullpen struggled for a month or two since it's not that long...I understand. It wouldn't irritate me either...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if I wasn't a Marlins fan. :plain

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Our bullpen looks fine to me. Every team (even the Yankees) has issues with its bullpen coming into the season. The addition of Delgado means more than the addition of one or two more arms in the pen. Besides, with Delgado here, several more games may not come down to the bullpen as they would if he wasn't here.

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Our bullpen is not fine...we lost a key pitcher in Benitez and Mota will never be able to pitch the way Benitez did last year. Our bullpen this upcoming year will be worse than our bullpen last year IMO. And what I'm sacred of with the bullpen is that even though we have Delgado we may get the lead early in the game and give it up and lose in the end with the bullpen. And don't compare our bullpen to the top spenders in the leauge bullpen...please. The Yankees dont use their money wisely but theyre still good.

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Given the limited number of innings pitched a reliever will see, it is difficult to guage or even label one as bad. In fact if you made the comparison of the Marlins to the rest of the league, you can make that comparison to all clubs in MLB. In fact, when ranked with the rest of MLB, the Marlins bullpen was average in 2004 in ERA, but above average in nearly every counting stat available.

 

ESPN Pitching Stats

 

As for Mota not throwing like Benitez did last year, not even Benitez thought he would pitch that way.

 

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