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Rockies left-hander Brian Fuentes is the latest Marlins trade target as they seek to upgrade the back end of their bullpen.

 

According to a National League source, the Marlins have been persistent in their attempts to acquire Fuentes, who is making just $328,000 and will be eligible for salary arbitration after the season.

 

Left-handed batters are hitting .158 against the side-winding Fuentes and right-handers are at .225. Fuentes, 29, is 1-3 with a 3.00 ERA and seven saves in nine chances.

 

In exchange, the source said, the Marlins have been dangling Triple-A shortstop Josh Wilson and Double-A right-hander Yorman Bazardo. There is no indication, however, that the Rockies are inclined to move Fuentes, their most valuable reliever.

 

"He's funky and throws 92-93 mph," the source said. "Those kinds of guys don't grow on trees."

 

In addition, the Marlins could have interest in Rockies starters Jason Jennings, Joe Kennedy or Shawn Chacon, but that would depend on how long it takes Josh Beckett to overcome his latest blister problem.

 

The Marlins are not among the clubs expressing interest in Rockies center fielder Preston Wilson. The Cubs or Nationals might be his next employer.

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basebal...-sports-marlins

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Ugh.

 

Bazardo and one of our few middle infield prospects for a LOOGY? A Coors' LOOGY at that?

 

 

Edit: I guess Bazardo hasn't helped his trade value much.

I, though Bazardo was a really good pitching prospect?

If wilson is available and rollins just sky rocketed A-Gone's value it tells you they think Andino is the man.

Andino's poor plate discipline and shaky defense at AA says Alex should expect an offer from the Marlins

I see A-Gon getting locked up for 3 years for reasons rferry listed making Wilson expendable. I really don't think we need a pen arm though. If we are going to use our chips get a SP.

A top pitching prospect and a (relatively) top hitting prospect for a middle reliever? No thanks- if you have to trade those two, get a bat.

I would trade Josh Wilson in a heartbeat, he'll never be anything spectacular.

 

I would say the same about Bazardo.

 

I want Fuentes. But we still need a hitter and maybe a SP. Who would we trade? Willingham?

I'd much rather see the Marlins pull something off for Joe Kennedy or Jason Jennings, both of whose "outside of coors value" should make them pretty nice additions to our rotation.

I'm not sure. We've seen good to great pitchers go to Coors and get beat as bad as scrubs. Maybe Kennedy and Fuentes' success is due in part to Coors and would not translate well here.

I'm not sure. We've seen good to great pitchers go to Coors and get beat as bad as scrubs. Maybe Kennedy and Fuentes' success is due in part to Coors and would not translate well here.

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ummm.....what?

Just wondering if we are properly adjusting for ballpark effects. Look at Juan Pierre. When he came here, so many thought his batting average would dip. That hasn't been the case. So maybe there's also a way to pitch in Coors. Some of the relievers that have had success in Colorado in recent years have been guys with odd deliveries that rely on fastballs. Would they be as successful on sea-level when a batter would not be always be looking to time a fastball into the seats?

Just wondering if we are properly adjusting for ballpark effects. Look at Juan Pierre. When he came here, so many thought his batting average would dip. That hasn't been the case. So maybe there's also a way to pitch in Coors. Some of the relievers that have had success in Colorado in recent years have been guys with odd deliveries that rely on fastballs. Would they be as successful on sea-level when a batter would not be always be looking to time a fastball into the seats?

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:lol

 

Pierre is a slap hitter -- I don't see how and why the thin air in Colorado would ever effect his game. As far as your backwards pitching theory -- let's just say I highly doubt Fuetnes' success is reliant on his oppositions anxious swings -- he has good stuff and his funky delivery is murder on lefties.

 

It isn't a given, but there's obviously a strong chance any pitcher switching from a launching pad like Coors to a pitcher-friendly stadium like DS will see his effectiveness drastically increase.

Just wondering if we are properly adjusting for ballpark effects. Look at Juan Pierre. When he came here, so many thought his batting average would dip. That hasn't been the case. So maybe there's also a way to pitch in Coors. Some of the relievers that have had success in Colorado in recent years have been guys with odd deliveries that rely on fastballs. Would they be as successful on sea-level when a batter would not be always be looking to time a fastball into the seats?

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:lol

 

Pierre is a slap hitter -- I don't see how and why the thin air in Colorado would ever effect his game. As far as your backwards pitching theory -- let's just say I highly doubt Fuetnes' success is reliant on his oppositions anxious swings -- he has good stuff and his funky delivery is murder on lefties.

 

It isn't a given, but there's obviously a strong chance any pitcher switching from a launching pad like Coors to a pitcher-friendly stadium like DS will see his effectiveness drastically increase.

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The "coors effect" accounts for more than just homeruns. The outfield there is very spacious. Because of the thin air, fielders have to play deep to make sure what would be routine fly balls in other parks don't go over their head at coors. With the outfielders playing deep, any hitter -- even a slap hitter -- has a better chance of a ball dropping in front of the fielders. That's why all aspects of hitting are inflated there, not just homeruns, and even slap hitters benefit from it.

Just wondering if we are properly adjusting for ballpark effects. Look at Juan Pierre. When he came here, so many thought his batting average would dip. That hasn't been the case. So maybe there's also a way to pitch in Coors. Some of the relievers that have had success in Colorado in recent years have been guys with odd deliveries that rely on fastballs. Would they be as successful on sea-level when a batter would not be always be looking to time a fastball into the seats?

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:lol

 

Pierre is a slap hitter -- I don't see how and why the thin air in Colorado would ever effect his game. As far as your backwards pitching theory -- let's just say I highly doubt Fuetnes' success is reliant on his oppositions anxious swings -- he has good stuff and his funky delivery is murder on lefties.

 

It isn't a given, but there's obviously a strong chance any pitcher switching from a launching pad like Coors to a pitcher-friendly stadium like DS will see his effectiveness drastically increase.

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The "coors effect" accounts for more than just homeruns. The outfield there is very spacious. Because of the thin air, fielders have to play deep to make sure what would be routine fly balls in other parks don't go over their head at coors. With the outfielders playing deep, any hitter -- even a slap hitter -- has a better chance of a ball dropping in front of the fielders. That's why all aspects of hitting are inflated there, not just homeruns, and even slap hitters benefit from it.

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I understand the "Coors Effect" fully, but teams will adjust their outfield accordingly. I highly doubt any manager had his outfielders five feet from the warning track when JP came up to bat. They may have been a bit further than they are here, but not significant enough to drastically change his offensive production.

Just wondering if we are properly adjusting for ballpark effects. Look at Juan Pierre. When he came here, so many thought his batting average would dip. That hasn't been the case. So maybe there's also a way to pitch in Coors. Some of the relievers that have had success in Colorado in recent years have been guys with odd deliveries that rely on fastballs. Would they be as successful on sea-level when a batter would not be always be looking to time a fastball into the seats?

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:lol

 

Pierre is a slap hitter -- I don't see how and why the thin air in Colorado would ever effect his game. As far as your backwards pitching theory -- let's just say I highly doubt Fuetnes' success is reliant on his oppositions anxious swings -- he has good stuff and his funky delivery is murder on lefties.

 

It isn't a given, but there's obviously a strong chance any pitcher switching from a launching pad like Coors to a pitcher-friendly stadium like DS will see his effectiveness drastically increase.

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The "coors effect" accounts for more than just homeruns. The outfield there is very spacious. Because of the thin air, fielders have to play deep to make sure what would be routine fly balls in other parks don't go over their head at coors. With the outfielders playing deep, any hitter -- even a slap hitter -- has a better chance of a ball dropping in front of the fielders. That's why all aspects of hitting are inflated there, not just homeruns, and even slap hitters benefit from it.

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I understand the "Coors Effect" fully, but teams will adjust their outfield accordingly. I highly doubt any manager had his outfielders five feet from the warning track when JP came up to bat. They may have been a bit further than they are here, but not significant enough to drastically change his offensive production.

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Well that's what teams do, even with JP. Not five feet from the warning track, but deep enough to add a few more hits than he was thought to get elsewhere.

All I'm saying is that maybe not all players benefit in the same way. Perhaps there is a way to pitch at Coors somewhat effectively. And that we are making the wrong adjustments to Fuentes and Kennedy's stat lines. Just as some made the incorrect adjustment to Juan Pierre and Darren Oliver's lines.