AGonzalez11

I just heard from a friend of mine who knows a guy who knows the guy who sells beer at the stadium while wearing a giant green elephant thing hat that he heard from one of the janitors who was picking up Beinfest's trash that the Marlins are thinking of trading Uggla and Hermida to the Yankees for naked pictures of Mariah Carey that Jeter took when he was dating her. funny. if your IQ is 40, that is. sorry for sharing what i hear. i'll make sure to never do it again. idiots. Your source doesn't appear to be too credible. there seems to be a key word in his text. "might", does not mean definite. like i said, sorry for sharing what i hear. ill keep the smoke to myself.

I just heard from a friend of mine who knows a guy who knows the guy who sells beer at the stadium while wearing a giant green elephant thing hat that he heard from one of the janitors who was picking up Beinfest's trash that the Marlins are thinking of trading Uggla and Hermida to the Yankees for naked pictures of Mariah Carey that Jeter took when he was dating her. funny. if your IQ is 40, that is. sorry for sharing what i hear. i'll make sure to never do it again. idiots.

i have a friend who works in the marlins organization who just texted me "one of our guys might be traded to the yankees in the next hour" and then i saw this thread... don't shoot the messenger. if true - i will not be a happy camper....

I've been hearing some rumors. Bowmeester for Kopitar. I think this would work out well for both teams. can you share where you heard that? Hockeybuzz.com I usually don't put too much stock into the rumors that are posted on that site. I'd say for every correct rumor that is posted there there are 10-15 bogus ones. But this trade seems to make sense. LA needs a puck moving defensman and the Cats need scoring. Both players are rumored to be bieng shopped around by their teams. I think it would take Bowmeester and some more talent to pry Kopitar from LA though. do you have a link? not that i dont believe you, but i read hockeybuzz too but havent seen that. although i dont read it daily because, as you said, it's usually bogus.

Btw, AGonzalez11. It seems like you really love the team. So...I think you should join the FloridaPanthers.com message board. That is, if you are not already there. i'm there....balmo

I've been hearing some rumors. Bowmeester for Kopitar. I think this would work out well for both teams. I'd hate for us to trade Bouwmeester. Kopitar better be a 1st line forward. i'd deal bouwmeester for kopitar in a split second. he's 20 years old and scored 32 goals and 77 pts. and he's not even close to finished developing. he's almost a lock to be a 100+ point guy. he's that skilled, imo. i doubt LA deals him. even for jay.

I've been hearing some rumors. Bowmeester for Kopitar. I think this would work out well for both teams. can you share where you heard that?

AWFUL I just threw up all over my Panthers jersery. They probably should've just dumped Martin completely. Couldn't even get back a 1st round pick?? Deal saves them no money, and both guys are in the last year of their contracts. W. T. F. Boynton was on waivers earlier this season, he's no improvement over what we already have. If Ballard doesn't turn into something this is complete sewage. JayBo will probably get dealt for some offensive help now. Hopefully they're not finished. Since I don't live in SoFla now I don't have season tickets anymore but didn't they just raise the prices too? Ballard gives the Panthers the component that was needed on the defense and Boynton is the puck moving D that the team lacked, what is difficult to swallow is that Phoenix had 2 1st rounders and didn't give up any of them for Ollie. I know that Olie demanded a trade but he was worth more! They should have demanded the 1st rounder as well as a 3 as well along with the 2 players You got it all wrong. Ballard is a puck moving D, and good defensively. Boynton is anything, but a puck-moving D. He's an average D man, who's physical, defensively responsible, and has a nice shot, so he might see some PP time. Btw, in that 2nd round pick today...we acquired another defenseman. We acquired 1 forward, in the whole entire draft. Our 1st pick was a goaltender... Eric please check Boynton profile...I wasn't wrong http://www2.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/players/Nick_Boynton/ Boynton can move a little bit, and has some skill, but he plays a very simple game from the backend. He was drafted as a two-way guy and initially started out to develop that way in Boston, but a few years into his NHL experience he really started to struggle in his own end. Eventually it got so bad he was waived....but he's turned himself into a valuable commodity by abandoning the offensive side and just becoming a defensive, physical player. He's not a "puck-moving" defensman (i'm starting to hate that term!). he's a defensive defensman. Think Rhett Warrener with a little more feistyness and a slighter better skater.

stuff coming out about olli the day after is not good. the vancouver and calgary GM's publicly said they had no interest, insinutating that character issues scared them off. brian biggane has a blog where a league executive is calling olli a "dog" - saying he's always the first one off the ice in practice and just is a terrible influence on his teamates. and steve gorten, a seperate source i'd imagine, says jokinen quit playing last year in order to get martin fired, which led to a split in the lockerroom. we were only what, 2-4 points out for a good stretch there? i'm pretty sure a couple of guys would rather have made the playoffs than having seen martin get fired. whether it's true or not, there's alot of smoke out there. and you know the old cliche..... regardless, he had to be dealt because it's obvious there is/was alot of tension in that room. if you read martin's comments about the trade he keeps saying "...and we changed the chemistry in the lockeroom" what do you guys think he's trying to tell us? he's being dubbed as a modern-day alexei yashin - and it's not long after this stuff came out about yashin that his career went down the toilet.... we need to replace his production, but i get the feeling we are a better team right now than we were yesterday. and let me add that i'm not exactly mr. positive. i was all over the organization when they accepted that pile of steaming horseshit for luongo. i just have a hunch. we'll see how it plays out.

the deal is not as bad as you guys are making it out to be. i've seen ballard play plenty and he's good. he may not score 30 goals like olli will but you cant really compare the value of an effective defensman vs. a goal scorer. ballard is very good, much better than his underwhelming statistics lead one to believe. he will be a fan favorite - guaranteed - despite the fact he was dealt for jokinen. he's not big but easily one of the best open-ice hitters in the league. his hip-checks are a thing of beauty. he's full of spunk and is as feisty as they come. he'll be loved here. he also has much more offense to give than you think. he was drafted and went through college as an offensive defensman. phoenix had a bunch of offensive-oriented defensmen (jovanovski, michalek, morris) and asked him to be a "shut-down defender". his skating and puck skills remind me alot of a brian campbell/dan boyle type of player. he may not reach that level, but he definitely will score more than he did last year if deboer gives him the green light to roam...and he will. i was very high on ballard before we got him, which is probably why i'm not as upset with the deal as most seem to be. boynton is nothing special but he too will be well liked. he's also very physical and is a great teammate. he was always the first guy defending his teamates. ALWAYS. considering the situation we were in with olli i'm not that upset over this deal. it was pretty obvious he had to be dealt and his value has taken a hit with the rumors and speculation around about his poor attitude. the key now is he has to be replaced. we dont neccessarily need to add a superstar, but we need to bring in a proven scorer. a guy that has proven he can score 25+ goals and 60+ points. if we can do that, then the deal wont be all that bad. if martin sticks with the forwards we have no...we'll be in trouble.

don't know much about the guy aside from him being ridiculously successful in juniors. hopefully his success can carry over to the next level!

not good news on the bouwmeester front: Looming restricted free agent Jay Bouwmeester is noncommittal about whether he wants to play here long-term, and Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said there's ''no progress'' in contract talks. ''He wants to win,'' Martin said. ``That's the issue. He wants to be in the playoffs. We all do.'' http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/562329.html No Bouwmeester = complete offseason failure, imo. We can't just let him go, like that. He's 23 years old, and is already among the top 5-10 as far as D men in the NHL, I'd say. i pretty much agree. but he's putting us (martin) in a tough spot. if he doesn't re-sign, he has to be traded. theres no way we can go into this season with the possibility of him walking for nothing. and if we're contending (which im guessing we plan to do...) we're not gonna deal him mid-season because the only deals available then are for prospects/picks. the only possible trade scenario that I see as an "even trade" would be trading Bouwmeester to Ottawa for Spezza. Ottawa wants to make changes, and Spezza is a playmaker. Unfortunately, he (Spezza) and Martin never communicated well, apparently, in Ottawa. They never had the greatest of relationships. if bouwmeester forces our hand, ottawa is probably one of the best trading partners for us. spezza is unlikely, but heatley could be possible.. they could also put together a pretty tempting package. meszaros or volchenkov, vermette and a first? i'd hate to lose jay-bo but that's tempting. I came up with this today... 3 team trade... :mischief To FLA: Brent Burns (from MIN) + Jason Spezza (from OTT) To MIN: Olli Jokinen (from FLA) + Andrej Meszaros (from OTT) To OTT: Jay Bouwmeester (from FLA) + Mikko Koivu (from MIN) :mis2 i doubt minnesota would go for it...they add too much salary and dont really improve all that much, while getting older. why not just deal with ottawa if you're up for that drastic of a change? olli/jay-bo for one of heatley/spezza, one of volchenkov/meszaros, vermetter and a pick?

not good news on the bouwmeester front: Looming restricted free agent Jay Bouwmeester is noncommittal about whether he wants to play here long-term, and Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said there's ''no progress'' in contract talks. ''He wants to win,'' Martin said. ``That's the issue. He wants to be in the playoffs. We all do.'' http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/562329.html No Bouwmeester = complete offseason failure, imo. We can't just let him go, like that. He's 23 years old, and is already among the top 5-10 as far as D men in the NHL, I'd say. i pretty much agree. but he's putting us (martin) in a tough spot. if he doesn't re-sign, he has to be traded. theres no way we can go into this season with the possibility of him walking for nothing. and if we're contending (which im guessing we plan to do...) we're not gonna deal him mid-season because the only deals available then are for prospects/picks. the only possible trade scenario that I see as an "even trade" would be trading Bouwmeester to Ottawa for Spezza. Ottawa wants to make changes, and Spezza is a playmaker. Unfortunately, he (Spezza) and Martin never communicated well, apparently, in Ottawa. They never had the greatest of relationships. Is it just me or does Martin have a bad relationship with everyone? he's stubborn, set in his own ways so anyone that doesnt comply to them he gives the cold shoulder to. he's a great X's and O's coach but he doesn't have the versatile personality needed to be an elite coach.

not good news on the bouwmeester front: Looming restricted free agent Jay Bouwmeester is noncommittal about whether he wants to play here long-term, and Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said there's ''no progress'' in contract talks. ''He wants to win,'' Martin said. ``That's the issue. He wants to be in the playoffs. We all do.'' http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/562329.html No Bouwmeester = complete offseason failure, imo. We can't just let him go, like that. He's 23 years old, and is already among the top 5-10 as far as D men in the NHL, I'd say. i pretty much agree. but he's putting us (martin) in a tough spot. if he doesn't re-sign, he has to be traded. theres no way we can go into this season with the possibility of him walking for nothing. and if we're contending (which im guessing we plan to do...) we're not gonna deal him mid-season because the only deals available then are for prospects/picks. the only possible trade scenario that I see as an "even trade" would be trading Bouwmeester to Ottawa for Spezza. Ottawa wants to make changes, and Spezza is a playmaker. Unfortunately, he (Spezza) and Martin never communicated well, apparently, in Ottawa. They never had the greatest of relationships. if bouwmeester forces our hand, ottawa is probably one of the best trading partners for us. spezza is unlikely, but heatley could be possible.. they could also put together a pretty tempting package. meszaros or volchenkov, vermette and a first? i'd hate to lose jay-bo but that's tempting.

For someone that was "done" you sure like to stick around... I mean, if you're so intelligent, I think you would have picked up on the fact that we just couldn't care less about what you have to say anymore, and that we don't really want you here anymore... i'm really not sure i could care any less if you want me here or not. nope i couldn't. but you know what? you're actually right about something. i could be doing alot more with my time than bickering with a bunch of high school morons. let me tell you a short story before i go. i hear you kids like that stuff. i showed this thread to a friend of mine a few minutes ago. a nice source for amusement for him i'd say. after he read it i asked him how quickly he thinks i'll get banned and he repied: "you should be banned from life for arguing with idiots over the internet." naturally, i found that pretty funny. but i'm guessing you won't considering you're one of the idiots....oh well. anyway, im out. enjoy your "last laugh". :cool

Actually, it was a collection of well though out, and even better expressed, shots at you you keep telling yourself that, skippy. i'm sure you have the motor skills neccessary to come up with those articulate ideas. :lol

You're the one that started taking shots at people calling them idiots and ignorant. i call 'em like i see 'em. you don't like it? too bad. my "insults" were in relation to the actual topic. i called you ignorant because you haven't a clue about hockey. your insults are about my personal life and grammar. big difference. Well, your mom sure seems to enjoy it in here :lol seriously? the mom joke? :lol

I am saying that your intelligence is so low that it is a miracle that your brain is developed enough, with these magical "motor skills", to move your fingers around and type, you ignoramus. kick save and a beauty!!! nice try, no ones buying it though. you're just an idiot who had no idea what motor skills actually were until you googled it five minutes ago. i've already accepted that fact, now when will you? Also, capitalization is sometimes used in sentences, incase you were wondering. oh, please forgive me for not spending my entire day checking my grammar on an internet message board. how could my motor skills be so bad that i don't know proper capitalization? :lol :lol wooooooooo! what a riot. :whistle So now I am the one tryng to "save" something because you, with you aforementioned lack of intelligence, needed an explanation to understand it. You didn't even realized that you never told me what motor skills were, you just said that I didn't know. i don't have to prove anything to you. i'm not the one insinuating it takes an intelligent person to develop motor skills. if you're interested, we can sit down, have some tea and discuss the finer points of cognitive development. you game? :lol Second off, you don't need to use spell check to realize that you seem to have an aversion to proper usage of capitalization and punctuation. Using the shift key is the first step. the point was, einstein, that i couldn't care less if my capitalization on this board is proper or not. i don't give a rats ass. i'm not trying to impress anyone. you are. that my friend, is the difference Also, did you realize that the motor skill comment and the capitalization comment were in different paragraphs? Of course not, that's too much for you. good job! do you want a cookie? I would like a cookie. I love cookies. :lol Second off, an educated person doesn't use capitalization to "impress" someone, they do it because they don't feel the need to do things incorrectly for no reason. :lol Third off, you need to realize intelligence is an array. Water level is a great example. "How deep is the water? It's 1 foot deep." Now noone would say that 1 foot of water is deep, that's that's just a way of describing it. Much in the same way, intelligence can be spoken of as such. "How high is AGonzalez11's IQ? His IQ is at about 65." :lol See, that's what they describe as being of "low intelligence". Having low intelligence doesn't make you intelligent, something that you are a great example of. But please stop, you are just digging deeper for yourself. :lol a nice post that amounts to nothing more than a bunch of verbal diarrhea. but again, good job! what type of cookie do you want? i'll be sure to get it to you.

You don't associate with anyone because you have no life and nobody likes you. :lol so since you guys couldn't deal with the reality of the topic at hand you've turned to taking shots at my grammar and social life. priceless! i see my job is done here. i'm going to go see if the fish can complete this comeback like they did on saturday night. i was at that game. maybe you saw me. i was sitting next to about 7 educated people. but don't worry, i don't associate with them at all. they just took me to the game because they felt bad for me. :lol enjoy your bubble, "louie" - i hear it's quite comfortable in there. :lol

I am saying that your intelligence is so low that it is a miracle that your brain is developed enough, with these magical "motor skills", to move your fingers around and type, you ignoramus. kick save and a beauty!!! nice try, no ones buying it though. you're just an idiot who had no idea what motor skills actually were until you googled it five minutes ago. i've already accepted that fact, now when will you? Also, capitalization is sometimes used in sentences, incase you were wondering. oh, please forgive me for not spending my entire day checking my grammar on an internet message board. how could my motor skills be so bad that i don't know proper capitalization? :lol :lol wooooooooo! what a riot. :whistle I wonder if you've ever called someone ignorant or an idiot to their face. I highly doubt it... i generally don't associate with people who are as blatantly stupid as rabbethan and yourself, so why would i have to?

I am saying that your intelligence is so low that it is a miracle that your brain is developed enough, with these magical "motor skills", to move your fingers around and type, you ignoramus. kick save and a beauty!!! nice try, no ones buying it though. you're just an idiot who had no idea what motor skills actually were until you googled it five minutes ago. i've already accepted that fact, now when will you? Also, capitalization is sometimes used in sentences, incase you were wondering. oh, please forgive me for not spending my entire day checking my grammar on an internet message board. how could my motor skills be so bad that i don't know proper capitalization? :lol :lol wooooooooo! what a riot. :whistle So now I am the one tryng to "save" something because you, with you aforementioned lack of intelligence, needed an explanation to understand it. You didn't even realized that you never told me what motor skills were, you just said that I didn't know. i don't have to prove anything to you. i'm not the one insinuating it takes an intelligent person to develop motor skills. if you're interested, we can sit down, have some tea and discuss the finer points of cognitive development. you game? :lol Second off, you don't need to use spell check to realize that you seem to have an aversion to proper usage of capitalization and punctuation. Using the shift key is the first step. the point was, einstein, that i couldn't care less if my capitalization on this board is proper or not. i don't give a rats ass. i'm not trying to impress anyone. you are. that my friend, is the difference Also, did you realize that the motor skill comment and the capitalization comment were in different paragraphs? Of course not, that's too much for you. good job! do you want a cookie?

I am saying that your intelligence is so low that it is a miracle that your brain is developed enough, with these magical "motor skills", to move your fingers around and type, you ignoramus. kick save and a beauty!!! nice try, no ones buying it though. you're just an idiot who had no idea what motor skills actually were until you googled it five minutes ago. i've already accepted that fact, now when will you? Also, capitalization is sometimes used in sentences, incase you were wondering. oh, please forgive me for not spending my entire day checking my grammar on an internet message board. how could my motor skills be so bad that i don't know proper capitalization? :lol :lol wooooooooo! what a riot. :whistle

why didn't barry jackson update his column when the NHL drew a 4.2 rating for game five, or a 4.4 rating for game six? oh, i forgot. they only publish negative propoganda so the "what's hockey?" crowd is satisfied. catering to the naive and ignorant....they'll buy newspapers regardless of what you print truth of the matter is, the nhl playoffs have been a huge success. game 5 and 6 of the cup finals drew higher ratings than any nba game up until the finals. you wouldn't be caught dead saying that just a year ago when the nhl was getting ratings in the 1's during the playoffs. the nhl is on the way up....and fast. if you don't like it...too damn bad. :whistle First off, Stanley Cup games 5 and 6 were on June 2nd and 4th, with ratings of 2.5 and 3.0 respectively. Second off, the NBA playoffs had finished their Conference Finals by May 30th, so there was no NBA those days. no idea where you're getting your numbers, but they're not even close. the nhl drew a 3.8 and 4.0. the 4.2 and 4.4 i posted were the nhl's overnight ratings. The only time they went head to head was May 28th, Game 3 of the Stanley Cup and Game 5 of the NBA Eastern Conference Finals on ESPN. NHL got a 2.8 and the NBA, on cable mind you, got a 5.3. i wasn't talking about head to head, and again, your numbers arent even close to reality. the nba did not break a 5.0 rating once until game one of the finals. I didn't count games 1 and 2 on Versus, because that's not even fair. you're right, it's not. http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings...tv-show-ratings Now feel free to find me a source for your madeup ratings? madeup ratings? get over yourself. just to humor you: http://sportsmediawatch.blogspot.com/search/label/Ratings http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-s...p&type=lgns http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs2008...tory?id=3427572 3 sources vs. your one? whoops! thanks for playing. buh-bye! :rolleyes: And what makes you think that your source is better than mine? ill take what two major networks like espn and yahoo print than some random-ass website, thanks. Also, you have a lack of intelligence which astounds me. I didn't know the motor skills necessary to type could develop at such a low level. ok....so you say i lack intelligence and insinuate it takes an intelligent person to develop motor skills? do you know what motor skills are? do you? so many uneducated idiots running around.... i'm in a battle of wits with the unarmed....do yourself a favor and save your insults for those at your level. they probably wont notice how idiotic they are. thanks :thumbup

madeup ratings? get over yourself. just to humor you: http://sportsmediawatch.blogspot.com/search/label/Ratings http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-s...p&type=lgns http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs2008...tory?id=3427572 3 sources vs. your one? whoops! thanks for playing. buh-bye! :rolleyes: Your bottom two sources are the same AP report... that's one source... two total... oh and the NBA did break 5.0 "Last night's Celtics/Pistons Game 5 drew a 5.3 overnight on ESPN" you do know overnight ratings are different than actual ratings, right? right? :lol

not good news on the bouwmeester front: Looming restricted free agent Jay Bouwmeester is noncommittal about whether he wants to play here long-term, and Panthers general manager Jacques Martin said there's ''no progress'' in contract talks. ''He wants to win,'' Martin said. ``That's the issue. He wants to be in the playoffs. We all do.'' http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/562329.html No Bouwmeester = complete offseason failure, imo. We can't just let him go, like that. He's 23 years old, and is already among the top 5-10 as far as D men in the NHL, I'd say. i pretty much agree. but he's putting us (martin) in a tough spot. if he doesn't re-sign, he has to be traded. theres no way we can go into this season with the possibility of him walking for nothing. and if we're contending (which im guessing we plan to do...) we're not gonna deal him mid-season because the only deals available then are for prospects/picks.