July 22, 200521 yr http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basebal...-sports-marlins Little progress, much to consider on Marlins trade deals By Mike Berardino Staff Writer Posted July 22 2005 Thursday was a day of rest for the Marlins and Orioles. Off the field, those teams didn't get much done either, at least not in terms of finalizing a much-discussed deal for A.J. Burnett. As Orioles owner Peter Angelos continued to mull whether he should take the long-term contract of Marlins third baseman Mike Lowell along with Burnett's expiring contract, the Marlins did some thinking of their own. In light of Lowell's improved play and the lack of a market for him, they could opt to pull the three-time All-Star off the trading block and work on moving just Burnett. According to a major league source, the Orioles and Red Sox are the only teams that look willing to assume Lowell's contract, which owes him $21 million through 2007. The Marlins have not offered to eat any of Lowell's salary, the source said, and both Baltimore and Boston might need close to a 50 percent discount to go forward. The White Sox have decided they aren't interested in Lowell at any price. Nor are the Pirates, despite published reports to the contrary. Meanwhile, a proposed three-way trade with the Red Sox and Twins was in trouble due to a disagreement between the American League teams. The Twins were said to be surprised when they learned the Red Sox would send pitcher Joe Mays along to the Marlins in a package for Burnett and Lowell. That left the Red Sox exploring other ways to deal directly with the Marlins. They were said to prefer moving right-hander Wade Miller and prospects instead of fellow starter Bronson Arroyo, but the Marlins much prefer Arroyo, who is making $1.85 million this year. Arroyo's career record is 27-28, compared with 43-44 for Burnett. But Arroyo has pitched well against the Yankees, and that has the Red Sox reconsidering a trade. If they get Burnett, the Red Sox might flip him to the Phillies for veteran closer Billy Wagner. Not only would that put Burnett on a National League East rival, something the Marlins want to avoid, but it also had them considering the merits of offering him directly for Wagner. Wagner, who turns 34 on Monday, has 266 career saves and is headed for free agency.
July 22, 200521 yr Wow. As much as I thought I hated the Orioles deal I would be livid if we traded Burnett for Wagner.
July 22, 200521 yr Little progress, much to consider on Marlins trade deals By Mike Berardino Staff Writer Posted July 22 2005 Thursday was a day of rest for the Marlins and Orioles. Off the field, those teams didn't get much done either, at least not in terms of finalizing a much-discussed deal for A.J. Burnett. As Orioles owner Peter Angelos continued to mull whether he should take the long-term contract of Marlins third baseman Mike Lowell along with Burnett's expiring contract, the Marlins did some thinking of their own. In light of Lowell's improved play and the lack of a market for him, they could opt to pull the three-time All-Star off the trading block and work on moving just Burnett. According to a major league source, the Orioles and Red Sox are the only teams that look willing to assume Lowell's contract, which owes him $21 million through 2007. The Marlins have not offered to eat any of Lowell's salary, the source said, and both Baltimore and Boston might need close to a 50 percent discount to go forward. The White Sox have decided they aren't interested in Lowell at any price. Nor are the Pirates, despite published reports to the contrary. Meanwhile, a proposed three-way trade with the Red Sox and Twins was in trouble due to a disagreement between the American League teams. The Twins were said to be surprised when they learned the Red Sox would send pitcher Joe Mays along to the Marlins in a package for Burnett and Lowell. That left the Red Sox exploring other ways to deal directly with the Marlins. They were said to prefer moving right-hander Wade Miller and prospects instead of fellow starter Bronson Arroyo, but the Marlins much prefer Arroyo, who is making $1.85 million this year. Arroyo's career record is 27-28, compared with 43-44 for Burnett. But Arroyo has pitched well against the Yankees, and that has the Red Sox reconsidering a trade. If they get Burnett, the Red Sox might flip him to the Phillies for veteran closer Billy Wagner. Not only would that put Burnett on a National League East rival, something the Marlins want to avoid, but it also had them considering the merits of offering him directly for Wagner. Wagner, who turns 34 on Monday, has 266 career saves and is headed for free agency. Late Wednesday MARLINS 9, DIAMONDBACKS 2: Juan Encarnacion and Carlos Delgado provided the support Brian Moehler was waiting for. Encarnacion had a homer, two doubles and three RBI, and Delgado also homered for the Marlins in Phoenix. Moehler, who is 6-6 despite a 3.36 ERA, won his fourth in a row -- his best run since winning five in a row for Detroit in August 2000. The Marlins won consecutive games for the first time since July 7. Wire services were used to supplement this report. Mike Berardino can be reached at mberardino@sun-sentinel.com. That would be really strange. :thumbdown
July 22, 200521 yr I wouldn't mind much if the Phillies ended up with Burnett by the end of the trade deadline. However we don't need Wagner, we have no place for Howard or Thome, we shouldn't want David Bell or Cole Hamels or anyone else they may have to offer.
July 22, 200521 yr Why the Marlins still talking to the Orioles? Burnett for Wagner straight up is stoopid. I don't mind if the Sox trade Burnett to the Phillies, but the Marlins can get more out of Burnett than one relief pitcher.
July 22, 200521 yr Because we're just about the only team desperate for a starting pitcher. Burnett is an upgrade in Baltimore. Does the name Sidney Ponson mean anything to you! :confused
July 22, 200521 yr I wouldn't mind much if the Phillies ended up with Burnett by the end of the trade deadline. However we don't need Wagner, we have no place for Howard or Thome, we shouldn't want David Bell or Cole Hamels or anyone else they may have to offer. 869966[/snapback] umm.....if we got offered Ryan Howard, i'd take him in a heartbeat...do you really think Carlos Delgado will be wholly effective during his whole contract? I realize it'd be the same situation as in Philly but Howard is 100x better then Stokes.
July 22, 200521 yr Am I crazy for wanting Wade Miller instead of Arroyo? Wade Miller is getting paid peanuts this year too....
July 22, 200521 yr do you really think Carlos Delgado will be wholly effective during his whole contract? I realize it'd be the same situation as in Philly but Howard is 100x better then Stokes. 870057[/snapback] No, but he will be for about three more years and we don't gain much from a pinch-hitter/backup 1B during that time.
July 22, 200521 yr It was reported today in the Baltimore Sun that the O's front office have requested AJ's and Mikey's med records. Sorry, I don't have a link. If anything, it illustrates that the deal is being kept alive and the O's front office thinking may have progressed to another level.
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