August 17, 200521 yr SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) -- A federal judge Monday ordered a Muslim cleric deported to Pakistan after his June arrest on immigration charges during a federal terrorism investigation. Shabbir Ahmed, the imam of a mosque in Lodi, California, is likely to be sent back to his home country within two weeks, his lawyer Saad Ahmad said Monday. Ahmed was arrested for overstaying his visa in June, along with a father and son from Lodi who were charged with lying to FBI agents, and another Muslim cleric and his son. None of the five men have been charged with terrorism crimes. During a bail hearing last week, an FBI agent testified that terrorist leaders had planned to use Ahmed as an intermediary to pass orders to Hamid Hayat, 22, who the FBI says attended an al Qaeda training camp in Pakistan. U.S. Immigration Judge Anthony Murry denied bail for Ahmed and ordered him sent back to Pakistan in a brief hearing Monday afternoon. Full story: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/15/cleric.de...tion/index.html It's about time we started getting serious about getting these people out of the country.
August 17, 200521 yr "These people"? I assume you are talking about possible terrorists. If not, and your talking about a Muslim who overstayed his visa, then that is one of the worst statements I have ever heard. A person from Britian, Japan, Brazil, the Ukraine, etc. etc. are just as likely to overstay their visa as a a muslim.
August 17, 200521 yr Author "These people"? I assume you are talking about possible terrorists. If not, and your talking about a Muslim who overstayed his visa, then that is one of the worst statements I have ever heard. A person from Britian, Japan, Brazil, the Ukraine, etc. etc. are just as likely to overstay their visa as a a muslim. 905075[/snapback] Woah woah woah, slow down there turbo. How can you assume i'm talking about all Muslims when it clearly states in the article "an FBI agent testified that terrorist leaders had planned to use Ahmed as an intermediary to pass orders to Hamid Hayat, 22, who the FBI says attended an al Qaeda training camp in Pakistan." The man has connections to terrorism, and if he didn't then this article would not have even been newsworthy and we would not be sitting here talking about it right now. While this man may not be a terrorist, he without a doubt has ties to terrorism according to the FBI and therefore people who fall into this category should either A) be in a jail cell, or B) be removed from this country. This article isn't just about some random Muslim being deported for overstaying his visa and i'm really surprised that you overlooked the part about him having connections to terrorism.
August 17, 200521 yr None of the five men have been charged with terrorism crimes. I am not accusing you of anything. That's why I asked what you meant by that. I just think if, you are going to be channeling info for a terrorist cell, you'd be smart enough to keep away from any kind of criminal activity. Espicially with the "guilty until we decide to say screw trying to find anyone innocent which happens really damn quick" approach that America has taken to Muslim Arabs. So, what I am saying is, I cant see this poor schmuck violating his visa, when that would most assuradly bring attention to yourself. I guess I am just one of those old fashioned "give people the benefit of the doubt" type person, and I will leave open the possibilty that this is the FBI doing nothing more than trying to make an example out of someone. Also, shouldn't INS have been involved as well, if he violated the parameters of his visa, that is their jurisdiction, not the FBIs.
August 17, 200521 yr Author Also, shouldn't INS have been involved as well, if he violated the parameters of his visa, that is their jurisdiction, not the FBIs. 905081[/snapback] When there is terrorism involved, it is well within the FBI's jurisdiction and also a number of other alphabet soup agencies.
August 17, 200521 yr Also, shouldn't INS have been involved as well, if he violated the parameters of his visa, that is their jurisdiction, not the FBIs. 905081[/snapback] When there is terrorism involved, it is well within the FBI's jurisdiction and also a number of other alphabet soup agencies. 905093[/snapback] To clarify, the FBI & INS (and a slew of other agencies) now all operate under the roof of Homeland Security.
August 17, 200521 yr i say send all the towelheads back they all look like terrorists to me.. :whistle
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