October 3, 200520 yr Author What do you think of trading Delgado and JP with Lowell and having a line up of... 2b- Castillo RF- Hermida 3b- Cabrera 1b- Durazo SS- Nomar C- LoDuca LF- Willingham CF- Aguila or someone aquired in trade? Just speculating dont jump all over me... Look, if the Yankees wanted Pierre so badly that they'd take Lowell and send the Marlins Pavano with some of the money paid making him a $7 mil a season pitcher instead of $10 mil, I could see this possibly happening, but Delgado won't be moved, and what makes you think that the Yankees even want/need Delgado and Lowell? Last I checked, hitting wasn't the problem with the Yankees...
October 3, 200520 yr Why do you guys want to take a chance on injury prone Nomar? Do you want to back ourselves into a corner like this year with injuries? While the name Nomar is very enticing I don't think the Marlins have the financial flexibility to take "chances" at this point.
October 3, 200520 yr What do you think of trading Delgado and JP with Lowell and having a line up of... 2b- Castillo RF- Hermida 3b- Cabrera 1b- Durazo SS- Nomar C- LoDuca LF- Willingham CF- Aguila or someone aquired in trade? Just speculating dont jump all over me... Look, if the Yankees wanted Pierre so badly that they'd take Lowell and send the Marlins Pavano with some of the money paid making him a $7 mil a season pitcher instead of $10 mil, I could see this possibly happening, but Delgado won't be moved, and what makes you think that the Yankees even want/need Delgado and Lowell? Last I checked, hitting wasn't the problem with the Yankees... Were does it say Delgado Lowell and JP to Yankees explain that to me
October 3, 200520 yr Author What do you think of trading Delgado and JP with Lowell and having a line up of... 2b- Castillo RF- Hermida 3b- Cabrera 1b- Durazo SS- Nomar C- LoDuca LF- Willingham CF- Aguila or someone aquired in trade? Just speculating dont jump all over me... Look, if the Yankees wanted Pierre so badly that they'd take Lowell and send the Marlins Pavano with some of the money paid making him a $7 mil a season pitcher instead of $10 mil, I could see this possibly happening, but Delgado won't be moved, and what makes you think that the Yankees even want/need Delgado and Lowell? Last I checked, hitting wasn't the problem with the Yankees... Were does it say Delgado Lowell and JP to Yankees explain that to me Well, Yankee fan, considering that you wanted three big names and we received one player who is a free-agent, and Erubiel Durazo (while the A's nave no interest in any of our guys), I'd assume that they'd end up in New York. Since we'd be giving up a boat-load of talent, and receiving nothing in return, it just reeked of a New York cooked up trade...
October 3, 200520 yr Author JP + Castillo + Cash for Robinson Cano? Why? Cano's nothing special, and he certainly isn't worth giving up two players we don't really need to trade.
October 3, 200520 yr You have to look at it from reality the FO will not have a 70 million dollar payroll so some players will have to be shipped out. Delgado - 13.5 mill Lowell - 9 mill Pierre - Can go up to 5.5 mill LoDuca - 6.72 mill Castillo - 5.67 mill Thats equal to 40.39 Now add Beckett - 4 mill Willis - 4 mill a closer 4-6 mill (ill put it as 4) AA - 1 mill? Mota - if still here 3.5 Villone - 2 mill add all the others making the minimum might go past 70 mill. What do you think of trading Delgado and JP with Lowell and having a line up of... 2b- Castillo RF- Hermida 3b- Cabrera 1b- Durazo SS- Nomar C- LoDuca LF- Willingham CF- Aguila or someone aquired in trade? Just speculating dont jump all over me... Look, if the Yankees wanted Pierre so badly that they'd take Lowell and send the Marlins Pavano with some of the money paid making him a $7 mil a season pitcher instead of $10 mil, I could see this possibly happening, but Delgado won't be moved, and what makes you think that the Yankees even want/need Delgado and Lowell? Last I checked, hitting wasn't the problem with the Yankees... Were does it say Delgado Lowell and JP to Yankees explain that to me Well, Yankee fan, considering that you wanted three big names and we received one player who is a free-agent, and Erubiel Durazo (while the A's nave no interest in any of our guys), I'd assume that they'd end up in New York. Since we'd be giving up a boat-load of talent, and receiving nothing in return, it just reeked of a New York cooked up trade... Durazo is a FA.
October 3, 200520 yr JP + Castillo + Cash for Robinson Cano? Why? Cano's nothing special, and he certainly isn't worth giving up two players we don't really need to trade. Salary dump of approx 10 mill, and getting a young cheap player. Getting cash back for other needs Yankee, Mota will be not be given 3.5. He will make the same money as 05 (new Contract) and they won't offer arbi
October 3, 200520 yr JP + Castillo + Cash for Robinson Cano? Why? Cano's nothing special, and he certainly isn't worth giving up two players we don't really need to trade. Salary dump of approx 10 mill, and getting a young cheap player. Getting cash back for other needs good point FreshFish. i also think Cano has a huge upside. he has had a whole year to adjust to the new york environment which by itself is a challange. i think Cano is a great talent which is also why he is in the running for ROY. his defense needs work but he has a great bat.
October 3, 200520 yr Author You have to look at it from reality the FO will not have a 70 million dollar payroll so some players will have to be shipped out. Durazo is a FA. So then we simply give up Delgado, Pierre and Lowell for a bag of baseballs and sign two aging injury prone underachieving free-agents? Get out of here...seriously. The Marlins have a ton of deferred money due to Hampton and Pudge Rodriguez coming off the books that coincide with the jump in Delgado's deal. As it is, the Marlins are allowing two veterans (Encarnacion, Burnett) to be replaced with 100% certainty by rookies making the major-league minimum (Hermida and Vargas), and it's likely that Easley and Gonzalez will also be replaced with players who are making less, or perhaps Nomar. Either way, there's a lot of budget balancing that will take care of itself by simply allowing Encarnacion, Burnett and the deferred money come off the books. Not to mention, Leiter got $4 mil this season, he'll be getting $1 mil next season, so that's even more money freed up. Go scavange some other team, vulture. JP + Castillo + Cash for Robinson Cano? Why? Cano's nothing special, and he certainly isn't worth giving up two players we don't really need to trade. Salary dump of approx 10 mill, and getting a young cheap player. Getting cash back for other needs Then who bats leadoff, and who plays centerfield? And the savings would be more like $8 mil than $10 mil (Castillo gets $5 mil, Pierre $3.5 mil). You adore Encarnacion, but want to get rid of Castillo, and then replace him with a player who has inflated power numbers due to batting in Yankee Stadium, and below average defensive ability? Did Castillo's injury not exemplify how valuable he is to our infield defense? There's a reason when he went down that we committed 17 errors or whatever ridiculous stat it was, not to mention the top of the lineup scuffled.
October 3, 200520 yr You have to look at it from reality the FO will not have a 70 million dollar payroll so some players will have to be shipped out. Durazo is a FA. So then we simply give up Delgado, Pierre and Lowell for a bag of baseballs and sign two aging injury prone underachieving free-agents? Get out of here...seriously. The Marlins have a ton of deferred money due to Hampton and Pudge Rodriguez coming off the books that coincide with the jump in Delgado's deal. As it is, the Marlins are allowing two veterans (Encarnacion, Burnett) to be replaced with 100% certainty by rookies making the major-league minimum (Hermida and Vargas), and it's likely that Easley and Gonzalez will also be replaced with players who are making less, or perhaps Nomar. Either way, there's a lot of budget balancing that will take care of itself by simply allowing Encarnacion, Burnett and the deferred money come off the books. Not to mention, Leiter got $4 mil this season, he'll be getting $1 mil next season, so that's even more money freed up. Go scavange some other team, vulture. How is the budget going to take care of itself if Loria has lost money each of the past two seasons and im pretty sure he isnt going to let it happen again next year.
October 3, 200520 yr Author You have to look at it from reality the FO will not have a 70 million dollar payroll so some players will have to be shipped out. Durazo is a FA. So then we simply give up Delgado, Pierre and Lowell for a bag of baseballs and sign two aging injury prone underachieving free-agents? Get out of here...seriously. The Marlins have a ton of deferred money due to Hampton and Pudge Rodriguez coming off the books that coincide with the jump in Delgado's deal. As it is, the Marlins are allowing two veterans (Encarnacion, Burnett) to be replaced with 100% certainty by rookies making the major-league minimum (Hermida and Vargas), and it's likely that Easley and Gonzalez will also be replaced with players who are making less, or perhaps Nomar. Either way, there's a lot of budget balancing that will take care of itself by simply allowing Encarnacion, Burnett and the deferred money come off the books. Not to mention, Leiter got $4 mil this season, he'll be getting $1 mil next season, so that's even more money freed up. Go scavange some other team, vulture. How is the budget going to take care of itself if Loria has lost money each of the past two seasons and im pretty sure he isnt going to let it happen again next year. He lost money last year the year before, and the year before, and he still raised payroll this year. We have higher ticket prices next year to accompany about a 90% renewal rate among season ticket-holders. The income will be there, even if the attendance numbers are not, plus, it's seriously doubtful that Loria is losing as much money as he claims, but that's the case with just about any owner in baseball...these guys made hundreds of millions of dollars making smart investments, I don't think they'd stick around a baseball team that's a money pit just for the hell of it, do you?
October 3, 200520 yr Your missing something Yanks fan...Loria has said he is committed to winning, no matter what, he is a true baseball fan whos like a kid playing with a deck of baseball cards...he will not just sell of pieces for the sake of doing it.
October 3, 200520 yr And I never say to trade Delgado lowell and Jp for nothing, I just said it would be better financially for this team.
October 3, 200520 yr You have to look at it from reality the FO will not have a 70 million dollar payroll so some players will have to be shipped out. Durazo is a FA. So then we simply give up Delgado, Pierre and Lowell for a bag of baseballs and sign two aging injury prone underachieving free-agents? Get out of here...seriously. The Marlins have a ton of deferred money due to Hampton and Pudge Rodriguez coming off the books that coincide with the jump in Delgado's deal. As it is, the Marlins are allowing two veterans (Encarnacion, Burnett) to be replaced with 100% certainty by rookies making the major-league minimum (Hermida and Vargas), and it's likely that Easley and Gonzalez will also be replaced with players who are making less, or perhaps Nomar. Either way, there's a lot of budget balancing that will take care of itself by simply allowing Encarnacion, Burnett and the deferred money come off the books. Not to mention, Leiter got $4 mil this season, he'll be getting $1 mil next season, so that's even more money freed up. Go scavange some other team, vulture. JP + Castillo + Cash for Robinson Cano? Why? Cano's nothing special, and he certainly isn't worth giving up two players we don't really need to trade. Salary dump of approx 10 mill, and getting a young cheap player. Getting cash back for other needs Then who bats leadoff, and who plays centerfield, and the savings would be more like $8 mil than $10 mil (Castillo gets $5 mil, Pierre $3.5 mil)? You adore Encarnacion, but want to get rid of Castillo, and then replace him with a player who has inflated power numbers due to batting in Yankee Stadium, and below average defensive ability? Did Castillo's injury not exemplify how valuable he is to our infield defense? There's a reason when he went down that we committed 17 errors or whatever ridiculous stat it was, not to mention the top of the lineup scuffled. nice shot, I don't adore(d) Encarnacion. I think he got a lot of undeserved crap on this board and I defended him for that. He performed well for the most part and was a key component of the team and a top run producer. btw, I don't want him back on the Marlins next year. You can't say the Marlins didn't make it to the post season due to Enc. Can you? I don't want to get rid of Castillo, but health is a concern. The name of the game is to be balanced, and not particulary good on one area. You gotta be kidding yourself if you think this team won't have some tough decision on their hands
October 3, 200520 yr You have to look at it from reality the FO will not have a 70 million dollar payroll so some players will have to be shipped out. Durazo is a FA. So then we simply give up Delgado, Pierre and Lowell for a bag of baseballs and sign two aging injury prone underachieving free-agents? Get out of here...seriously. The Marlins have a ton of deferred money due to Hampton and Pudge Rodriguez coming off the books that coincide with the jump in Delgado's deal. As it is, the Marlins are allowing two veterans (Encarnacion, Burnett) to be replaced with 100% certainty by rookies making the major-league minimum (Hermida and Vargas), and it's likely that Easley and Gonzalez will also be replaced with players who are making less, or perhaps Nomar. Either way, there's a lot of budget balancing that will take care of itself by simply allowing Encarnacion, Burnett and the deferred money come off the books. Not to mention, Leiter got $4 mil this season, he'll be getting $1 mil next season, so that's even more money freed up. Go scavange some other team, vulture. How is the budget going to take care of itself if Loria has lost money each of the past two seasons and im pretty sure he isnt going to let it happen again next year. He lost money last year the year before, and the year before, and he still raised payroll this year. We have higher ticket prices next year to accompany about a 90% renewal rate among season ticket-holders. The income will be there, even if the attendance numbers are not, plus, it's seriously doubtful that Loria is losing as much money as he claims, but that's the case with just about any owner in baseball...these guys made hundreds of millions of dollars making smart investments, I don't think they'd stick around a baseball team that's a money pit just for the hell of it, do you? He raised it in efforts to get a new stadium, but I guess you havent read were he says that they are not close to getting a new stadium deal done.
October 3, 200520 yr Author You gotta be kidding yourself if you think this team won't have some tough decision on their hands I agree they have tough decisions, but one of the easy ones is to keep Luis. I've only heard his named mentioned as one of the many players to potentially be tied to the albatross that is Mike Lowell. He's not making any more than he is this year, and if the Marlins have to rid themselves of contracts they signed when a player is actually living up to the expectations of the contract, that's kind of sad. These are the tough questions of the off-season: 1) What to do with the rotation after Willis and Beckett. Do you trust it to three rookies? Do you get a guy like Jeff Weaver? Do you roll the dice on Kevin Brown? Are we even going to be good enough next year to care about this? 2) What to do with the bullpen? Jones? Mota? Urbina? 3) Is Mike Lowell finished? Or was it just a down year? 4) Can we sign Beckett and Willis in this offseason, or do we keep playing the arbitration game? He raised it in efforts to get a new stadium, but I guess you havent read were he says that they are not close to getting a new stadium deal done. Obviously simple math escapes you. Between Juan Encarnacion, AJ Burnett, Todd Jones, Jim Mecir, Damion Easley, Alex Gonzalez, Mike Hampton, Pudge Rodriguez, Al Leiter and Valdez/Moehler, the Marlins will be shaving around $24 million off of the books. To that extent, they'd replace 5 of those roster spots with rookies or journey-man veterans making the major-league minimum or there-abouts, leaving $20 million to account for Delgado's $8 million payroll jump, LoDuca's $2 million, and the raises to Willis and Beckett (we may go long-term with both of them, meaning more back-loaded deals aren't out of the question). This accompanies the Marlins' television ratings being at an all-time high, so marketing money is going to be better next year, and a team that has 90% of their season ticket-holder base already locked in for 2006 at substantially higer prices (an average of 25% higher prices per seat). The payroll could very easily stay at the same level it's at now, with no sweat.
October 3, 200520 yr Any scenario that packages Mike Lowell with Luis Castillo means the acquiring team is taking on as much as $30 million, let me repeat myself, $30 freakin' million in salary !!! It isn't going to happen. Not today, not next year, never.
October 3, 200520 yr After the past two regular seasons, I welcome change. However after four years of personnel decisions from Beinfest, I also fear what changes may be coming. To be honest I'd like to see Loria give the 2005 team another shot at it with a different manager and coaching staff. If only... But to do that it would take a large investment and restrict flexibility should the same squad flop.
October 3, 200520 yr Any scenario that packages Mike Lowell with Luis Castillo means the acquiring team is taking on as much as $30 million, let me repeat myself, $30 freakin' million in salary !!! It isn't going to happen. Not today, not next year, never. maybe I missed something. But who is suggesting Lowell + Castillo trades? btw, I just saw a suggestion of Abreu for Dontrelle straight up on a Phillies board. LOL
October 3, 200520 yr FF: The PBP's Capozzi, or his source(s), did in the article found in the first post of this thread.
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