Bud Selig has told confidants that although Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria is frustrated, Selig is determined to make baseball work in South Florida. Selig also has concerns about moving to Las Vegas and what kind of trouble players could find with four days to roam in a casino.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition...ny-sports-print

I'm still hopeful that a satisfactory conclusion to the stadium issue in Washington Dc and the ultimate sale of the team may lay the groundwork for some MLB participation in keeping the Marlins in South Florida.

 

Whether it be a loan, loan guarantees or a straightout influx of cash to jumpstart the project it appears that Selig and company are committed to keeping the team here. As I've suggested before DC comes first then we'll see something happening here.

What constitutes being determined? Giving the Marlins his blessing to explore relocation? Setting stadium deadlines with no teeth? Sending his protege to shake hands with Huizenga?

MLB won't apply pressure on Loria. Involving MLB can't really help the situation at all. If you bring them to negotiations, you're scaring off the politicians. If you ask for their help, you're giving up an asset (tangible - land, or intangible - control). I don't see its worth. Like Huizenga, they're scum-sucking bastards, not saviours. Believe it or not, there are other means towards securing the Marlins' future in South Florida.

MLB won't apply pressure on Loria. Involving MLB can't really help the situation at all. If you bring them to negotiations, you're scaring off the politicians. If you ask for their help, you're giving up an asset (tangible - land, or intangible - control). I don't see its worth. Like Huizenga, they're scum-sucking bastards, not saviours. Believe it or not, there are other means towards securing the Marlins' future in South Florida.

 

 

like? :plain

Hurricane shelter, new taxes, specialized taxes, harsher lease terms than had been discussed, extended periods to repay loan.

 

Each are no more of a risk than adding a greedy ruthless hand into the pot.

Hurricane shelter, new taxes, specialized taxes, harsher lease terms than had been discussed, extended periods to repay loan.

 

Each are no more of a risk than adding a greedy ruthless hand into the pot.

 

 

I'm interested in seeing if the Marlins and Hialeah begin serious negotiations for a ballpark if they will market it as a hurricane shelter to get more $$$ possibly from the state or county.

Why doesnt Selig just put his money where his mouth is and help the fish?

Why doesnt Selig just put his money where his mouth is and help the fish?

 

Because that sets a precedent that will hurt MLB and its owners in respect to two of the most important things to them: money and power. And to them, you can't really have one without the other. Thus they will be unwilling to contribute even the loan of a penny without concessions from both the city and the Marlins. For example, for DC to secure some help against potential cost overruns, they gave up parking revenues that are estimated to be in excess of the amount of MLB pledged.

Why doesnt Selig just put his money where his mouth is and help the fish?

 

Because that sets a precedent that will hurt MLB and its owners in respect to two of the most important things to them: money and power. And to them, you can't really have one without the other. Thus they will be unwilling to contribute even the loan of a penny without concessions from both the city and the Marlins. For example, for DC to secure some help against potential cost overruns, they gave up parking revenues that are estimated to be in excess of the amount of MLB pledged.

 

They helped Pittsburgh.

How so? You mean the Pirates' commitment to pay any cost overruns (on a project that came in below budget!)? MLB contributed nothing.

MLB took over all negotiations with the city of Pittsburgh......the owner of the team was told to back out.

I don't quite remember that. I especially doubt they had much impact as the eventual deal partnered four teams across three leagues.

Rfery, you're such a Loria/Samson/MLB apologist. It sickens me.

I don't quite remember that. I especially doubt they had much impact as the eventual deal partnered four teams across three leagues.

 

 

ahhh, selective memory. We only remember when we're on the right side on things.......I've got you figured out.

I find the stadium game revolting. I find Samson's attempts filled with irony and contradictions that undermine his and the Marlins' position. However I'm not an wishful idealist. You must recognize other perspectives and the reality of the situation. Anyone wishing that someone other than a public municipality is going to come to save the Marlins are fooling themselves. Anyone who thinks MLB or anyone will lift a finger to help any municipality (even your hometown) are misguided. Anyone thinking that the Marlins will be operated in any way than MLB's established precedent, and the drive for profit are confused. Stop thinking with your hearts.

 

 

 

chums, re: pnc

I honestly do not remember. I've searched the archives of the Pitsburgh Live, Field of Schemes and Dave Pappas already. So, perhaps, you'd like to provide where you learned this information.

I think they're long gone myself.