Im glad so many of you like Willis but David Wright has more value than Dontrelle.

 

If Cabrera is 1A, David Wright is 2A.

It's nice of you to look at things like that, but your own post answers why it's a stupid trade.

 

Cabrera is 1A, David Wright is 2A.

Cabrera plays third base, David Wright plays third base.

Cabrera plays for us already.

 

I believe you make room for talents like Cabrera and Wright some how. Whether its moving Cabrera to RF and Hermida CF or Wright/Cabrera to 1B. I don't know what we should do but you got to be crazy to pass on Wright for Willis if the Mets agree.

Isn't Wright just a little bit overrated? There's no doubt he's good, but his numbers don't justify him being THIS highly regarded. He was 15th in the NL in OPS last year. Willis was 3rd in ERA, and almost won the Cy Young Award.

 

I have no idea why Wright is considered more valuable. Plus, Willis is one of the most marketable players in the game.

 

I believe you make room for talents like Cabrera and Wright some how. Whether its moving Cabrera to RF and Hermida CF or Wright/Cabrera to 1B. I don't know what we should do but you got to be crazy to pass on Wright for Willis if the Mets agree.

 

 

Call me crazy, then, cause I would never agree to that deal.

This is complete bulls***. If the deal did go through, I would move Wright to first base. I wouldn't trade for someone and move Miggy to accomodate the new player. That would be total disrespect to Miggy. He's our third baseman, period.

Isn't Wright just a little bit overrated? There's no doubt he's good, but his numbers don't justify him being THIS highly regarded. He was 15th in the NL in OPS last year. Willis was 3rd in ERA, and almost won the Cy Young Award.

 

I have no idea why Wright is considered more valuable. Plus, Willis is one of the most marketable players in the game.

 

 

I believe you make room for talents like Cabrera and Wright some how. Whether its moving Cabrera to RF and Hermida CF or Wright/Cabrera to 1B. I don't know what we should do but you got to be crazy to pass on Wright for Willis if the Mets agree.

 

 

Call me crazy, then, cause I would never agree to that deal.

willis is gonna get traded in the next 365 days in all likely hood unless a stadium deal is reached or the marlins agree to move some other place cause otherwise he will be making 3/4 of this year's payroll, depending how he does this year. if there is no stadium deal or no move planned i doubt payroll will go up. wright offers an extra year of being able to afford a marketable player and he is a good hitter. last year in his first full year he finished top 10 in hits, total bases, doubles, rbis, extra base hits and batting average. you're right he sucks. :plain

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you're right he sucks. :plain

 

I'm just curious how that found its way into your post. It just makes absolutely no sense in relation to anything I said. I'm dumbfounded.

I'm just curious how that found its way into your post. It just makes absolutely no sense in relation to anything I said. I'm dumbfounded.

 

well who would you propose we trade willis for if it comes down to it? you arent going to get equal value for him but you dont seem to think wright is the answer. believe that willis will be on the team next year with no deal of any sort for the team just dont be disappointed when he isn't. we could trade him for a bunch of prospects but we can't market prospects like we can market a willis or cabs or even a wright. and if there is no deal in place marketability is still important to the team to try and get the deal. you said he shouldnt be highly reguarded, i guess rookies being top 10 hitters in your eyes come along alot.

Wright CAN'T be the answer. He is arbitration ELIGIBLE. In fact, he's a year ahead of Willis, isn't he???/

Wright CAN'T be the answer. He is arbitration ELIGIBLE. In fact, he's a year ahead of Willis, isn't he???/

 

willis made his debut 2003, wright july 2004. :blink: you guys are weird or just dumb.

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I'm just curious how that found its way into your post. It just makes absolutely no sense in relation to anything I said. I'm dumbfounded.

you said he shouldnt be highly reguarded, i guess rookies being top 10 hitters in your eyes come along alot.

 

No, you have reading comprehension problems. I hate arguing with people like you because it doesn't matter what I say...you will just see what you want to see.

 

Here's a direct quote from my post:

 

There's no doubt he's good, but his numbers don't justify him being THIS highly regarded.

 

And then you take that and say:

 

you're right he sucks. :plain

 

Anyway...to answer your question. Yes, if I absolutely had to trade Willis, I would trade him for prospects. What's the point of trading him for one year of Wright, a player I think is marginally worse? So you can then turn around and trade Wright for a player who is marginally worse than him? It just doesn't make sense. It's like you're just running in place and getting marginally worse all the time. Better to trade for a bunch of prospects and hope for bigger future returns. This team should not be making trades with an eye towards next year. They're still going to suck next year. They need to be looking 3 years down the road.

I believe you make room for talents like Cabrera and Wright some how. Whether its moving Cabrera to RF and Hermida CF or Wright/Cabrera to 1B. I don't know what we should do but you got to be crazy to pass on Wright for Willis if the Mets agree.

Call me crazy then, because not only do I believe Willis has more value than Wright but I also believe that "making room" for Wright is just plain silly.

Anyway...to answer your question. Yes, if I absolutely had to trade Willis, I would trade him for prospects. What's the point of trading him for one year of Wright, a player I think is marginally worse? So you can then turn around and trade Wright for a player who is marginally worse than him? It just doesn't make sense. It's like you're just running in place and getting marginally worse all the time. Better to trade for a bunch of prospects and hope for bigger future returns. This team should not be making trades with an eye towards next year. They're still going to suck next year. They need to be looking 3 years down the road.

 

i think you are failing to realize with the marlins at this point their focus as a team is not to lose money and to being to try and sell themselves to a city. i think it would be a lot harder selling themselves if all they are is cabs and a bunch of second year players versus being cabs and wright and a bunch of second year players, because at least then they could tout having 2 top 10 hitters. if the trades last year didn't tell you anything you should realize the marlins are not concerned about getting equal value back it is about saving money while putting up the veil of trying and trying to eek out as many wins for the least money as possible. at least injecting wright into the lineup would be a huge upgrade to the lineup.

 

I believe you make room for talents like Cabrera and Wright some how. Whether its moving Cabrera to RF and Hermida CF or Wright/Cabrera to 1B. I don't know what we should do but you got to be crazy to pass on Wright for Willis if the Mets agree.

Call me crazy then, because not only do I believe Willis has more value than Wright but I also believe that "making room" for Wright is just plain silly.

willis next year will be making about $8-9 mill

 

wright next year will be making under $2 mill

 

you plan on footing the bill? cause i don't forsee loria paying this years whole payroll to two players next year.

Rotoworld

 

Sometime within the last several weeks, the Marlins offered Dontrelle Willis to the Mets for David Wright, according to Newsday.

That wasn't going to work. Willis for Jose Reyes would have been more realistic, though the Marlins now have Hanley Ramirez and the Mets probably would have turned it down anyway. As inexpensive as he is right now, Wright might be the game's most valuable property. Albert Pujols is the only obviously better bet for the next five years, and he'll make $77 million during that time. Apr. 23 - 12:50 pm et

I could have sworn Wright made his deubt in 2002... :blink:

I could have sworn Wright made his deubt in 2002... :blink:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wrighda03.shtml

Debut July 21, 2004

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I could have sworn Wright made his deubt in 2002... :blink:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wrighda03.shtml

Debut July 21, 2004

Still, he'll be arby-eligible.

Still, he'll be arby-eligible.

 

yeah but he'll make what cabs made this year which is peanuts. willis is due about 9 mill next year, cabs will be due about 5 mill and wright will be making under a mill maybe a little more.

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Still, he'll be arby-eligible.

yeah but he'll make what cabs made this year which is peanuts. willis is due about 9 mill next year, cabs will be due about 5 mill and wright will be making under a mill maybe a little more.

And then next year, he'll make what Willis made....

And then next year, he'll make what Willis made....

 

yeah wright buys us 2 years when compared to willis. at this point if you dont realize it is all about money with this situation i dont know what to tell you. the money aspect over rules all.

I love Willis but Id do Wright for Willis anyday with the great young pitching we have.

the money issue you speak of assumes the team isn't willing to go over it's current payroll. from what i understand david samson wanted the payroll to be below $30-35 million. beinfest went further down because he wanted to just start over. this means we can afford to pay willis and miggy next season. we still won't be at $30 million.

the money issue you speak of assumes the team isn't willing to go over it's current payroll. from what i understand david samson wanted the payroll to be below $30-35 million. beinfest went further down because he wanted to just start over. this means we can afford to pay willis and miggy next season. we still won't be at $30 million.

 

if they really left over $10 mill on the table then you have to question their wanting to win. because everyone knew this bullpen would struggle and it wouldn't have hurt to get an extra starter in place of moe so i really doubt they left money on the table unless they are really sadistic.

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the money issue you speak of assumes the team isn't willing to go over it's current payroll. from what i understand david samson wanted the payroll to be below $30-35 million. beinfest went further down because he wanted to just start over. this means we can afford to pay willis and miggy next season. we still won't be at $30 million.

if they really left over $10 mill on the table then you have to question their wanting to win. because everyone knew this bullpen would struggle and it wouldn't have hurt to get an extra starter in place of moe so i really doubt they left money on the table unless they are really sadistic.

 

beinfest already talked about this. they felt they could put together a .500 team for under 30-35 million but they wanted to rebuild so they could be contenders year in and year out three years from now when the revenues from a new stadium (either in so. florida or elsewhere) would allow them to increase their payroll to a decent level. they're not trying to win this year. they're trying to develop their young players, figure out which of those players will be in our long-term plans, and then trade or sign players to fill in the holes 2-3 years from now. they would use our excess pitching to fill some of those holes through trades and sign whoever is available and we can afford. i like that plan.

they're trying to develop their young players, figure out which of those players will be in our long-term plans,

 

like moe, herges and borowski? :blink: they could have spent more money and done better on than these guys. but like you said they dont care about winning this year or next year which is why i don't think they'll be paying dontrelle next year close to $10 mill when they dont care about winning 70 or 80 games.

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You really think that one year of Wright at a few million is worth trading willis?

 

Of course not! They would trade Willis to a few elite prospects that have 3 years of club control at minimum.

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You really think that one year of Wright at a few million is worth trading willis?

 

Of course not! They would trade Willis to a few elite prospects that have 3 years of club control at minimum.

 

2 years for wright. under a mill next year then making what willis is making this year in 2008. after 2008 a stadium deal or move of some sort should be made which means at that point payroll will most likely go up again meaning they will keep wright after that point.