May 1, 200620 yr President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever.
May 1, 200620 yr President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. Potentially? This takes the cake. Well, this and Cheney shooting a man in the face.
May 1, 200620 yr Author President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. Potentially? This takes the cake. Well, this and Cheney shooting a man in the face. OK, the worst PLANNED political stunt ever.
May 1, 200620 yr President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. Potentially? This takes the cake. Well, this and Cheney shooting a man in the face. OK, the worst PLANNED political stunt ever. :lol :lol :lol
May 1, 200620 yr President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. Potentially? This takes the cake. Well, this and Cheney shooting a man in the face. OK, the worst PLANNED political stunt ever. Ok, then yes. :thumbup
May 2, 200620 yr Reports are coming in that President Bush has landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf. He has been quoted as saying "Just kidding!"
May 2, 200620 yr Author You know FutureGM had this day circled in his calendar. I didn't realize it until they talked about it on the TV news this afternoon, actually. I thought it was in April or something.
May 2, 200620 yr You know FutureGM had this day circled in his calendar. Is there any reason that's funny? You're not the least bit dissatisfied?
May 2, 200620 yr Unfortunately the "Mission Accomplished" scene is likely to be one of those images that people will always associate with this president when his name is brought up. Along with his speech after 9/11, etc..
May 3, 200620 yr The man said that major operations had cocluded. He did not say that it was entirely over. Everyone who was paying attention knows this. Yet , the media persists to exploit it. Speaks volumes dosn't it.
May 3, 200620 yr The man said that major operations had cocluded. He did not say that it was entirely over. Everyone who was paying attention knows this. Yet , the media persists to exploit it. Speaks volumes dosn't it. I dont ever want to hear a Republican(not presuming you are) complain about media distortion. Ever. Even if you were right, you cant deny that they made it seem like things would be rosy afterwards. There is no way you can tell me they thought that the insurgency would last this long. There is no way they thought the situation would get so complex. Even if they did, the American people didnt think we would be stuck in the sand three years later. Some statements: The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that." (Cheney, Meet the Press, 3/16/03) "I think that the people of Iraq would welcome the U.S. force as liberators; they would not see us as oppressors, by any means. And our experience was after the Gulf War in '91 that once the United States acted and provide leadership that in fact, the community, the region was more peaceful for some considerable period of time.(Cheney, CNN American Morning, 9/9/02) Think of the faces in Afghanistan when the people were liberated, when they moved out in the streets and they started singing and flying kites and women went to school and people were able to function and other countries were able to start interacting with them. That's what would happen in Iraq." (Media Roundtable, 9/13/02) "Until the regime is gone it's going to be very hard to do anything. Even in cities that are liberated. I think when the people of Basra no longer feel the threat of that regime, you are going to see an explosion of joy and relief." (Wolfowitz, News Conference, 3/25/03) This says it all IMO http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/01/missio...by-the-numbers/
May 4, 200620 yr The man said that major operations had cocluded. He did not say that it was entirely over. Everyone who was paying attention knows this. Yet , the media persists to exploit it. Speaks volumes dosn't it. I dont ever want to hear a Republican(not presuming you are) complain about media distortion. Ever. Even if you were right, you cant deny that they made it seem like things would be rosy afterwards. There is no way you can tell me they thought that the insurgency would last this long. There is no way they thought the situation would get so complex. Even if they did, the American people didnt think we would be stuck in the sand three years later. Some statements: The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that." (Cheney, Meet the Press, 3/16/03) "I think that the people of Iraq would welcome the U.S. force as liberators; they would not see us as oppressors, by any means. And our experience was after the Gulf War in '91 that once the United States acted and provide leadership that in fact, the community, the region was more peaceful for some considerable period of time.(Cheney, CNN American Morning, 9/9/02) Think of the faces in Afghanistan when the people were liberated, when they moved out in the streets and they started singing and flying kites and women went to school and people were able to function and other countries were able to start interacting with them. That's what would happen in Iraq." (Media Roundtable, 9/13/02) "Until the regime is gone it's going to be very hard to do anything. Even in cities that are liberated. I think when the people of Basra no longer feel the threat of that regime, you are going to see an explosion of joy and relief." (Wolfowitz, News Conference, 3/25/03) This says it all IMO http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/01/missio...by-the-numbers/ :notworthy :owned
May 4, 200620 yr Author I'm currently reading the book Cobra II, which basically discusses the history of the war. The main point in the book is that Rumsfeld did not want to have that many troops in this fight, despite the continued advice from generals saying that you needed over 350,000 troops to effectively secure the country. The book has plenty of proof of the administration's determination to go to war, despite the complete lack of evidence that there were WMD's. All of the intel on the Iraqi regime would later turn out to be fabricated or false, with only a handful of exceptions. Even though it has already been public before, the fact that Bush ignored the CIA telling him that the 'yellowcake' incident was fake, is hard to excuse. It should not have been in his State of the Union. They also made the mistake of saying that Iraq had mobile bio labs, which came from a source that turned out to be unreliable. Powell then presented this info to the UN. Overall, I find that the biggest failure was the lack of humint (human intelligence) sources present in Iraq leading up to the war. Only 3-4 agents were in Iraq, and none of them knew anything about WMDs. All of the CIA officers who have quit the CIA in the last 10 years and written about their experiences talk about the CIA relying too much on satellites and signal intelligence. Since the Cold War ended, there has been too much of a shift towards technology, rather than good old effective human sources. It worked against the USSR, and it can work against terrorism as well.
May 4, 200620 yr I'm currently reading the book Cobra II, which basically discusses the history of the war. The main point in the book is that Rumsfeld did not want to have that many troops in this fight, despite the continued advice from generals saying that you needed over 350,000 troops to effectively secure the country. The book has plenty of proof of the administration's determination to go to war, despite the complete lack of evidence that there were WMD's. All of the intel on the Iraqi regime would later turn out to be fabricated or false, with only a handful of exceptions. Even though it has already been public before, the fact that Bush ignored the CIA telling him that the 'yellowcake' incident was fake, is hard to excuse. It should not have been in his State of the Union. They also made the mistake of saying that Iraq had mobile bio labs, which came from a source that turned out to be unreliable. Powell then presented this info to the UN. Overall, I find that the biggest failure was the lack of humint (human intelligence) sources present in Iraq leading up to the war. Only 3-4 agents were in Iraq, and none of them knew anything about WMDs. All of the CIA officers who have quit the CIA in the last 10 years and written about their experiences talk about the CIA relying too much on satellites and signal intelligence. Since the Cold War ended, there has been too much of a shift towards technology, rather than good old effective human sources. It worked against the USSR, and it can work against terrorism as well. This is a "liberal" book isn't it? :lol :lol :lol Just thought I'd say it before someone else did, and meant it.
May 4, 200620 yr Author I'm currently reading the book Cobra II, which basically discusses the history of the war. The main point in the book is that Rumsfeld did not want to have that many troops in this fight, despite the continued advice from generals saying that you needed over 350,000 troops to effectively secure the country. The book has plenty of proof of the administration's determination to go to war, despite the complete lack of evidence that there were WMD's. All of the intel on the Iraqi regime would later turn out to be fabricated or false, with only a handful of exceptions. Even though it has already been public before, the fact that Bush ignored the CIA telling him that the 'yellowcake' incident was fake, is hard to excuse. It should not have been in his State of the Union. They also made the mistake of saying that Iraq had mobile bio labs, which came from a source that turned out to be unreliable. Powell then presented this info to the UN. Overall, I find that the biggest failure was the lack of humint (human intelligence) sources present in Iraq leading up to the war. Only 3-4 agents were in Iraq, and none of them knew anything about WMDs. All of the CIA officers who have quit the CIA in the last 10 years and written about their experiences talk about the CIA relying too much on satellites and signal intelligence. Since the Cold War ended, there has been too much of a shift towards technology, rather than good old effective human sources. It worked against the USSR, and it can work against terrorism as well. This is a "liberal" book isn't it? :lol :lol :lol Just thought I'd say it before someone else did, and meant it. It was written by a former General.
May 4, 200620 yr Author It's just some liberal rag. :mischief Suuuure. I can guarantee you that the authors are not liberal.
May 5, 200620 yr It's just some liberal rag. :mischief Suuuure. I can guarantee you that the authors are not liberal. Note: I was kidding
May 5, 200620 yr President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. As Stephen Colbert would say: Hey! The president never said "Mission Accomplished". The sign did. :lol
May 5, 200620 yr Author President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. As Stephen Colbert would say: Hey! The president never said "Mission Accomplished". The sign did. :lol Except that his speech says different.
May 5, 200620 yr President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. As Stephen Colbert would say: Hey! The president never said "Mission Accomplished". The sign did. :lol Except that his speech says different. Ok.
May 5, 200620 yr President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. As Stephen Colbert would say: Hey! The president never said "Mission Accomplished". The sign did. :lol I gotta admit, that right there is funny. :lol
May 5, 200620 yr Author President Bush landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission Accomplished" while war continued to rage in Iraq, on this day in 2003. Potentially the worst political stunt ever. As Stephen Colbert would say: Hey! The president never said "Mission Accomplished". The sign did. :lol I gotta admit, that right there is funny. :lol Colbert's a funny guy.
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