Are you really equating Cuba with Nazi Germany and Afghanistan?

 

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No, but you acknowledge that the line is drawn somewhere, correct? That every book doesn't belong in a little-kiddie library?

Are you really equating Cuba with Nazi Germany and Afghanistan?

 

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

 

No, but you acknowledge that the line is drawn somewhere, correct? That every book doesn't belong in a little-kiddie library?

That's a given, but if a book is just going over the basics and not political or social issues, who cares?

 

It's talking about food and stuff. No talk of political systems.

Are you really equating Cuba with Nazi Germany and Afghanistan?

 

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

 

No, but you acknowledge that the line is drawn somewhere, correct? That every book doesn't belong in a little-kiddie library?

That's a given, but if a book is just going over the basics and not political or social issues, who cares?

 

It's talking about food and stuff. No talk of political systems.

 

We can debate the merits of the book itself. I happen to think it is communist propoganda designed to set opinions while the children are still young enough. It is not given to difficult issues or complicated wording, it is merely a picture of a utopian society based upon communism and a lack of individualism. As such I think that it should be left out of the library. The book would likely have no propoganda impact on teens, so a high-school library would be fine. That is an opinion, it is not an absolute fact.

 

The core issue at hand, however, is the rights of the Miami-Dade school board, and Miami-Dade residents to decide where the line between appropriate reading material and innappropriate reading material can be drawn. A decision by the school board, at the behest and pressure of the voters / parents, to remove an offensive book may be censorship, but is not a violation of the right to speech or press. If the government were to prohibit the printing, sale, or ownership of the book, then it would be such a violation.

Are you really equating Cuba with Nazi Germany and Afghanistan?

 

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

 

No, but you acknowledge that the line is drawn somewhere, correct? That every book doesn't belong in a little-kiddie library?

That's a given, but if a book is just going over the basics and not political or social issues, who cares?

 

It's talking about food and stuff. No talk of political systems.

 

We can debate the merits of the book itself. I happen to think it is communist propoganda designed to set opinions while the children are still young enough. It is not given to difficult issues or complicated wording, it is merely a picture of a utopian society based upon communism and a lack of individualism. As such I think that it should be left out of the library. The book would likely have no propoganda impact on teens, so a high-school library would be fine. That is an opinion, it is not an absolute fact.

 

The core issue at hand, however, is the rights of the Miami-Dade school board, and Miami-Dade residents to decide where the line between appropriate reading material and innappropriate reading material can be drawn. A decision by the school board, at the behest and pressure of the voters / parents, to remove an offensive book may be censorship, but is not a violation of the right to speech or press. If the government were to prohibit the printing, sale, or ownership of the book, then it would be such a violation.

Wow, you think that it's propaganda?

 

So what do you think of the Berenstain Bears? Pro-Jewish anti-human propaganda?

 

I'd say Cat In The Hat is more harmful to kids than this book.

Wow, you think that it's propaganda?

 

So what do you think of the Berenstain Bears? Pro-Jewish anti-human propaganda?

 

I'd say Cat In The Hat is more harmful to kids than this book.

 

 

Of course it is propoganda. It shows a happy land of plenty in a socialist paradise. And it shows joy in total conformity. The Berenstain Bears are set in a fictional setting. Trying to equate the two is assinine.

 

But again the merits of the book are subjective, the real issue is the right to exclude a book that one finds innapropriate.

Wow, you think that it's propaganda?

 

So what do you think of the Berenstain Bears? Pro-Jewish anti-human propaganda?

 

I'd say Cat In The Hat is more harmful to kids than this book.

 

 

Of course it is propoganda. It shows a happy land of plenty in a socialist paradise. And it shows joy in total conformity. The Berenstain Bears are set in a fictional setting. Trying to equate the two is assinine.

 

But again the merits of the book are subjective, the real issue is the right to exclude a book that one finds innapropriate.

 

Propaganda? It's not like this book was written by communists.

 

This book is only part of a whole series on many other countries.

Wow, you think that it's propaganda?

 

So what do you think of the Berenstain Bears? Pro-Jewish anti-human propaganda?

 

I'd say Cat In The Hat is more harmful to kids than this book.

 

 

Of course it is propoganda. It shows a happy land of plenty in a socialist paradise. And it shows joy in total conformity. The Berenstain Bears are set in a fictional setting. Trying to equate the two is assinine.

 

But again the merits of the book are subjective, the real issue is the right to exclude a book that one finds innapropriate.

 

Propaganda? It's not like this book was written by communists.

 

This book is only part of a whole series on many other countries.

 

 

Lets focus on the important issue, which is not the content of the book, but the right of miami-dade to keep it out of school libraries

I wonder what the reaction would be if this was a book that potrayed Nazi Germany in a positive light.

 

 

That would be shocking, however, this book is not even doing that with the Socialist system of Cuba. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the book, and i think it completely harmless. I really don't understand what they should or shouldn't portray, it's definitely not showing Cuba as the second coming of Zion, I even think some of the info is not even correct but it's for little elementary kids, not college students.

People must really hate logic on this site. Regardless what the stupid book says or doesnt say, the ral question is if the county school board or govt in general has the right to ban any books from school libraries. If thats answered in the positive then we can talk about content

Wow, you think that it's propaganda?

 

So what do you think of the Berenstain Bears? Pro-Jewish anti-human propaganda?

 

I'd say Cat In The Hat is more harmful to kids than this book.

 

 

Of course it is propoganda. It shows a happy land of plenty in a socialist paradise. And it shows joy in total conformity. The Berenstain Bears are set in a fictional setting. Trying to equate the two is assinine.

 

But again the merits of the book are subjective, the real issue is the right to exclude a book that one finds innapropriate.

 

Propaganda? It's not like this book was written by communists.

 

This book is only part of a whole series on many other countries.

 

 

Lets focus on the important issue, which is not the content of the book, but the right of miami-dade to keep it out of school libraries

We've already covered that. No, it shouldn't be removed from school libraries, the content does not justify its banning. If the book talked about the evils of democracy and capitalism, sure, but it doesn't, so what's the BFD? Just a bunch of uppity Cuban-Americans that have to throw their weight around on anything related to Cuba. As a result, it took away a resource for kids not only wanting to learn about Cuba, but also for kids wanting to learn about the other 24 countries featured in the book series.

I wonder what the reaction would be if this was a book that potrayed Nazi Germany in a positive light.

 

 

That would be shocking, however, this book is not even doing that with the Socialist system of Cuba. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the book, and i think it completely harmless. I really don't understand what they should or shouldn't portray, it's definitely not showing Cuba as the second coming of Zion, I even think some of the info is not even correct but it's for little elementary kids, not college students.

 

The contents of the book are no relevant to the ability of the school board and citizens of Miami-Dade ability to exclude books at their discretion from an elementary school library.

 

Excluding the book from elementary school shelves in no way violates author Alta Schreier's right to author, publish and distribute the book.

 

The parent that brought the complaint, doesn't have any issue with "Vamos a Cuba" in public libraries where parents can accompany their young children, but he doesn't want it in his 10-year-old daughter's school.

I wonder what the reaction would be if this was a book that potrayed Nazi Germany in a positive light.

 

 

That would be shocking, however, this book is not even doing that with the Socialist system of Cuba. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the book, and i think it completely harmless. I really don't understand what they should or shouldn't portray, it's definitely not showing Cuba as the second coming of Zion, I even think some of the info is not even correct but it's for little elementary kids, not college students.

 

The contents of the book are no relevant to the ability of the school board and citizens of Miami-Dade ability to exclude books at their discretion from an elementary school library.

 

Excluding the book from elementary school shelves in no way violates author Alta Schreier's right to author, publish and distribute the book.

 

The parent that brought the complaint, doesn't have any issue with "Vamos a Cuba" in public libraries where parents can accompany their young children, but he doesn't want it in his 10-year-old daughter's school.

Wait, let me get this straight, because one parent felt enough outrage about a book about kids in Cuba that had no political discussion whatsoever was offended and feared that his daughter might read the book, the whole series of books get yanked off the shelves of every public school library in Dade County. You think that's perfectly ok? How about this, the parent takes a little responsibilty (yes, I know that's asking a lot in this day and age) and tells their kid they don't want them reading that book. The kid listens if she respects her parents and that's that.

 

It's silly that outraged parents are getting up in arms over this book.

Wow, you think that it's propaganda?

 

So what do you think of the Berenstain Bears? Pro-Jewish anti-human propaganda?

 

I'd say Cat In The Hat is more harmful to kids than this book.

 

 

Of course it is propoganda. It shows a happy land of plenty in a socialist paradise. And it shows joy in total conformity. The Berenstain Bears are set in a fictional setting. Trying to equate the two is assinine.

 

But again the merits of the book are subjective, the real issue is the right to exclude a book that one finds innapropriate.

 

Propaganda? It's not like this book was written by communists.

 

This book is only part of a whole series on many other countries.

 

 

Lets focus on the important issue, which is not the content of the book, but the right of miami-dade to keep it out of school libraries

We've already covered that. No, it shouldn't be removed from school libraries, the content does not justify its banning. If the book talked about the evils of democracy and capitalism, sure, but it doesn't, so what's the BFD? Just a bunch of uppity Cuban-Americans that have to throw their weight around on anything related to Cuba. As a result, it took away a resource for kids not only wanting to learn about Cuba, but also for kids wanting to learn about the other 24 countries featured in the book series.

 

 

No we havent covered that. Should any books be removed at all? Thats the real issue. Some people said pornography should, others think books painting hitler in a good light should be banned. Real question is and has not been answered is where to draw the line generally, without focusing on this individual book, bc then it becomes a cuban-exile vs. anti-cuban exile debate

i think a district should have this right - it's their school, it's community backed and funded and they should have the ability to control what is in their libraries - however, if a book is that big of an issue, why order it in the first place?!

 

with that said, they also should be able to control what students bring into the schools as it is paramount to maintain a proper environment where there can be healthy learning

 

with that said context needs to addressed - is there any potential benefit to the students and how does it fit into the curriculum? Is it just a pleasure read, textbook, genre example, etc?

 

I wouldn't use things such as politics or language to necessarily draw the line either - i'm a big fan of debate and we regularly used utopias gone awry to generate social discussion (which in my opinion is perfectly healthy) - however, I wouldn't use those books for a middle school classroom

 

also a teacher can't make something that is potentially offensive required for the entire class - just like you can't make jehovahs witnesses make christmas cards or celebrate their birthdays

 

most books could have a place in a library or classroom - some will need to be used with curriculum though to get the point of the novel across

Wait, let me get this straight, because one parent felt enough outrage about a book about kids in Cuba that had no political discussion whatsoever was offended and feared that his daughter might read the book, the whole series of books get yanked off the shelves of every public school library in Dade County. You think that's perfectly ok? How about this, the parent takes a little responsibilty (yes, I know that's asking a lot in this day and age) and tells their kid they don't want them reading that book. The kid listens if she respects her parents and that's that.

 

It's silly that outraged parents are getting up in arms over this book.

 

 

That is an opinion.

 

The facts are: a book offended a parent. He brought it to the attention of the school board and other parents. Those parents agreed with the first parent and the school board did as well. Consequently, no matter how "silly" you may think it is, the book was deemed unacceptable.

 

The issue is: Does a public school board have the authority to remove a book from library shelves? Because if they do not, then public schools can have subscriptions to Hustler and the school board has no say in the matter. If a line can be drawn between what is permitted and what is not, then the school board has the authority to draw that line within their own jurisdiction.

Wait, let me get this straight, because one parent felt enough outrage about a book about kids in Cuba that had no political discussion whatsoever was offended and feared that his daughter might read the book, the whole series of books get yanked off the shelves of every public school library in Dade County. You think that's perfectly ok? How about this, the parent takes a little responsibilty (yes, I know that's asking a lot in this day and age) and tells their kid they don't want them reading that book. The kid listens if she respects her parents and that's that.

 

It's silly that outraged parents are getting up in arms over this book.

 

 

That is an opinion.

 

The facts are: a book offended a parent. He brought it to the attention of the school board and other parents. Those parents agreed with the first parent and the school board did as well. Consequently, no matter how "silly" you may think it is, the book was deemed unacceptable.

 

The issue is: Does a public school board have the authority to remove a book from library shelves? Because if they do not, then public schools can have subscriptions to Hustler and the school board has no say in the matter. If a line can be drawn between what is permitted and what is not, then the school board has the authority to draw that line within their own jurisdiction.

 

Exactly, people seem to be missing the real issue

Wait, let me get this straight, because one parent felt enough outrage about a book about kids in Cuba that had no political discussion whatsoever was offended and feared that his daughter might read the book, the whole series of books get yanked off the shelves of every public school library in Dade County. You think that's perfectly ok? How about this, the parent takes a little responsibilty (yes, I know that's asking a lot in this day and age) and tells their kid they don't want them reading that book. The kid listens if she respects her parents and that's that.

 

It's silly that outraged parents are getting up in arms over this book.

 

 

That is an opinion.

 

The facts are: a book offended a parent. He brought it to the attention of the school board and other parents. Those parents agreed with the first parent and the school board did as well. Consequently, no matter how "silly" you may think it is, the book was deemed unacceptable.

 

The issue is: Does a public school board have the authority to remove a book from library shelves? Because if they do not, then public schools can have subscriptions to Hustler and the school board has no say in the matter. If a line can be drawn between what is permitted and what is not, then the school board has the authority to draw that line within their own jurisdiction.

 

Exactly, people seem to be missing the real issue

 

Yeah, I asked the same question earlier and no one has answered it logically on this post. The schoolboard often does not allow several books into it's curriculum. Is that unconstitutional? Where is all the media atttention on those books? I believe the people who are making this a really big deal is the ACLU. That is my opinion. They are always interfering.

Wait, let me get this straight, because one parent felt enough outrage about a book about kids in Cuba that had no political discussion whatsoever was offended and feared that his daughter might read the book, the whole series of books get yanked off the shelves of every public school library in Dade County. You think that's perfectly ok? How about this, the parent takes a little responsibilty (yes, I know that's asking a lot in this day and age) and tells their kid they don't want them reading that book. The kid listens if she respects her parents and that's that.

 

It's silly that outraged parents are getting up in arms over this book.

 

 

That is an opinion.

 

The facts are: a book offended a parent. He brought it to the attention of the school board and other parents. Those parents agreed with the first parent and the school board did as well. Consequently, no matter how "silly" you may think it is, the book was deemed unacceptable.

 

The issue is: Does a public school board have the authority to remove a book from library shelves? Because if they do not, then public schools can have subscriptions to Hustler and the school board has no say in the matter. If a line can be drawn between what is permitted and what is not, then the school board has the authority to draw that line within their own jurisdiction.

 

Exactly, people seem to be missing the real issue

 

Yeah, I asked the same question earlier and no one has answered it logically on this post. The schoolboard often does not allow several books into it's curriculum. Is that unconstitutional? Where is all the media atttention on those books? I believe the people who are making this a really big deal is the ACLU. That is my opinion. They are always interfering.

 

 

The problem with the ACLU is which battles it picks. And everytime people tlak about the ALCU bias and which groups they often support, supporters always come back and give a few examples of times the ACLU defended someone different. Point is for the most part the ACLU picks battles that support the 'liberal' side. I hate using those words, but the facts speak for themselves.