With how much hype Girardi got, you think he would have a job by know.

 

Hmmmmm

 

Get along with your front office.

 

I'm beginning to think that every front office of a team without a manager right now is smarter than the entire national media and about 97.4 percent of the people on this message board.

 

($14 million payroll + near playoff spot =/ a good manager)

 

 

Im beginning to think that only one manager vacancy (Cubs) has been filled so its WAY to f'n early to tell if Girardi gets a job or not.

 

:thumbup

 

 

Keep piling on em Penguino. The fact remains that the team was projected to by oddsmakers across the COUNTRY to win 65 games. They were in the WC hunt in September until the bullpen sh*t themselves (no fault of Girardi's). He motivated and got the best out of his young ballclub. Did he make a poor in game decision here and there? You bet your a** he did.

 

 

Show me a manager that doesnt make mistakes over the course of 162 games.

 

You are completely ignoring the absurdity he was spewing from spring training until the end of the Reggie experiment that put his team a complete disadvantage and is partly the reason the Marlins created a hole they had to dig themselves out of.

 

And it continued after that with such asinine moves as starting Alfredo Amezaga against every southpaw.

 

You make it seem like my major gripe with the man was the stupid in game moves. This is not true. That accounts for about 10 percent of my hatred for him. His ideas and manners of dealing with actual persornel for the long term was the worst I've seen from a big league manager.

 

You just can't let any opportunity to take a shot at Girardi go by, can you?

 

It is pointless to argue the merits of Girardi's managerial tenure in teal with you since you either forget or ignore all of those points people on this board bring up (sometimes on numerous occasions) in support of Girardi and just repeat your standard lines. You then just lump all of those who support Girardi in with the national media saying all we do is bring up team payroll and being in the playoff hunt (not that those are bad arguments, but I have never harped on payroll issues when I wrote about Girardi).

 

By the way, you write that his manners dealing with team personnel is one of the reasons you hate him. Is that why you posted that brilliant idea to bring in Davey Johnson to manage the Marlins? :lol

 

The only supporter comments I hear consistently are in regards to intangible motivation, not baseball moves, so get off of your high horse.

 

And justify the Davey Johnson comment.

 

And all I read from the anti-Girardi crowd were complaints at how he used the bullpen (mostly not valid complaints) and complaining about a few bunt calls (those few complaints were valid for the most part, just trumpeted way too much). They also complain about moves he supposedly discussed behind closed doors during Spring Training. Not moves that were implemented for the most part, mind you. It is ridiculous to criticize ideas that weren't even implemented. Obviously he decided those ideas were not worth pursuing. The only complaints there that are valid are those he implemented that were bad, and the only one there that was bad in my mind was his decision not to start JJ from day one. As far as the whole Girardi-Front Office feud it is hard to say who was more at fault. And we may never know the whole story.

 

Do I really have to go into Davey Johnson? The guy you wanted to manage the Marlins? Okay. He was kicked out of Baltimore back in '97 because of his public feud with owner Peter Angelos. The day he submitted his resignation he was named the AL Manager of the Year. Sound familiar?

 

Whoever thinks Girardi's firing was all about a public feud with the owner is kidding himself.

 

 

And many of Girardi's moves were implemented. Olivo was not starting consistently. Johnson and Nolasco started in the pen.

 

Girardi also consistently started Abercrombie and Amezaga against lefties.

 

The only bright ideas NOT implemented were Cabrera at first, Uggla elsewhere, and Willingham catching.

 

It was not only the feud with Loria, obviously. That was just the straw that broke the camels back. It was also the problems between Beinfest and Girardi.

 

So you knew that Olivo was going to put up the numbers at the plate once we signed him, huh? You are quite a seer. Based on his career numbers before this season, Girardi was completely justified in his decision to use Olivo 3 out of every 5 nights. I know Nolasco started in the pen. I wanted Vargas in Nolasco's spot in the rotation to start. I am guessing you saw Nolasco putting up better numbers than Vargas as well. Once again, well done.

 

Starting Amezaga vs LHP was mystifying to me as well.

 

I guess it is your contention the Reggie Abercrombie Experiment was Girardi's baby then, huh? What evidence do you have for that? I think it was more likely the FO's idea. That is they hoped he would put up respectable numbers and then try and bundle him with some prospects for a legitimate CF prospect before the trade deadline. No evidence to support that either, but I think it is more likely considering Girardi's comments about the Marlins not caring about improving the team because they didn't get a CF and bullpen help before the trade deadline.

 

Moving Cabrera to 1B wasn't that bad of an idea at the time considering how out of shape he was coming into ST. Not that I would have agreed with the move, but it would have given Girardi a chance to start Helms on a regular basis. Once Cabrera got into shape he proved himself to be a fine 3B. And moving Uggla to LF and Willingham to C makes sense if Pokey doesn't pull his disappearing act. Thankfully he did leave. I find it funny that many of the same people who criticized Girardi for throwing around ideas for position changes are willing to completely blow up current the infield and outfield alignment in order to accomodate A-Rod.

No, I was not too high on Olivo originally, but Matt Treanor must have shown him a lot in the spring to warrant so many starts.

 

I did however predict Vargas being worse than Nolasco. I've never been to impressed with Vargas and pre-2006 I saw him being a mop up guy at best. The man has neither the stuff, nor the proper control to be a decent major leaguer.

 

I believe both the FO and Girardi are at fault in the Reggie incident but some of my distant memories force me to blame the manager. Like this quote here:

 

''I've said all along, Reggie is a work in progress,'' manager Joe Girardi said. ``We want to see him develop under our eyes.'' (25 July 2006)

 

And I'm not a fan of radical realignment to accomadate A-Rod. I want him on the team but a number of things would have to happen first.

 

 

 

 

"WE".

 

"We want to see him develop under our eyes".

 

Could that mean it was Girardi AND the FO?

 

:whistle

So Girardi doesn't want to manage the Nationals according to ESPN.

 

Something tells me he won't manage or coach at all in 2007 (but that will mainly be his choice it seems).

 

There are only two reasons for Girardi to take his name out of the running, he either sees another opportunity he likes better that he thinks he'll land, or he saw the writing on the wall that he was not going to be hired by the Nationals, and he wanted to save face. If the Girardi would rather become the BENCH COACH for the yanks than manage for the Nationals, I think that speaks volumes that the Nationals job was never really on the table. It makes ZERO sense for Girardi to take the bench job he used to have if he had a managerial job on the table.

 

There is NO WAY Girardi gets the A's gig...Macha (who led his team to the playoffs) is the AL version of Girardi, who was fired mostly because of his fundamental clash with management. I doubt they'll take on Girardi considering he was fired for the same reasons.

 

My guess is that it is Girardi is positioning himself for the Rangers gig.

Girardi'll go back to the Yankees and take over when Torre retires.

Girardi'll go back to the Yankees and take over when Torre retires.

 

I don't think that'll happen, unless Torre goes out on top. If the Yanks continue to lose (aka not win a WS), I don't think the Boss is going to promote within...rather, I think it'll be a housecleaning situation. Only if Torre retires a winner will Girardi (as bench coach) be promoted to manager...JMHO.

So Girardi doesn't want to manage the Nationals according to ESPN.

 

Something tells me he won't manage or coach at all in 2007 (but that will mainly be his choice it seems).

 

There are only two reasons for Girardi to take his name out of the running, he either sees another opportunity he likes better that he thinks he'll land, or he saw the writing on the wall that he was not going to be hired by the Nationals, and he wanted to save face. If the Girardi would rather become the BENCH COACH for the yanks than manage for the Nationals, I think that speaks volumes that the Nationals job was never really on the table. It makes ZERO sense for Girardi to take the bench job he used to have if he had a managerial job on the table.

 

There is NO WAY Girardi gets the A's gig...Macha (who led his team to the playoffs) is the AL version of Girardi, who was fired mostly because of his fundamental clash with management. I doubt they'll take on Girardi considering he was fired for the same reasons.

 

My guess is that it is Girardi is positioning himself for the Rangers gig.

 

 

 

 

SPECULATION

 

 

All of it.

Miami Herald

GIRARDI PULLS OUT OF NATS CONSIDERATION

 

Former Marlins manager Joe Girardi, considered for weeks the favorite to become the next manager of the Washington Nationals, took his name out of consideration for the job.

 

Girardi and his wife, Kim, have three children -- two daughters, ages 7 and seven weeks, and a 5-year-old son. They have lived in suburban Miami for only 10 months after moving from Chicago, and Girardi said he didn't want more upheaval.

Gee, maybe he was actually telling the truth about wanting to remain in S. Fla?

So Girardi doesn't want to manage the Nationals according to ESPN.

 

Something tells me he won't manage or coach at all in 2007 (but that will mainly be his choice it seems).

 

I can't imagine him not going anywhere after what he did with the Marlins this year.

Miami Herald

Posted on Wed, Oct. 25, 2006email thisprint this

BROADCASTING

Girardi might call games

Former Marlins manager Joe Girardi said he has been contacted about doing broadcasting work.

BY KEVIN BAXTER

kbaxter@MiamiHerald.com

 

ST. LOUIS - If former Marlins manager Joe Girardi isn't in a major-league uniform next year he could be back in the broadcast booth, calling Yankee games for the YES network and working occasional games for Fox TV.

 

Girardi, in St. Louis as part of Fox's broadcast team for the World Series, said he has been contacted about a number of baseball and broadcasting jobs but is reluctant to uproot his family after moving them from Chicago to South Florida a year ago.

 

''There's some things that I'm considering, and I'll take my time and do what's best for my family,'' he said. ``I'm pretty close to deciding what I'm going to do.''

 

Before becoming bench coach of the Yankees in 2005, Girardi worked for YES, and he is popular with network officials. What he would like to do, though, is return to managing.

 

''I love managing,'' he said. ``It's a wonderful job. And I do want to manage again. I just don't know that it will be next year.''

 

Girardi, who cited family considerations for his decision to take himself out of the running for managing jobs in San Francisco and Washington, was clearly hoping to replace Dusty Baker with the Chicago Cubs, his hometown team. But the Cubs front office, which was split over Girardi, hired Lou Piniella instead.

 

Girardi, 42, is a leading candidate for National League Manager of the Year honors after leading the Marlins to a 78-84 record and keeping them in the playoff race until the final week of the season.

 

''My desire was to stay in Florida, bottom line,'' he said. ``I sold everything and moved my family. And I'm disappointed that I'm not there. But I'll get over that.''

this is exactly why i wanted him to get that cubs job ASAP. now we're going to be stuck paying his ass next year.

he can be very selective, like Shaq said we are paying him well to sit at home and raise his young childs.

I don't mind paying off his salary. It hurts, but let's be thankful his salary is the biggest contract mistake the team has to endure right now.

 

 

 

 

 

Um no.

 

 

Al Leiter is the biggest contract mistake we are paying.

Is he even still on the books?

 

 

Yea he is... Joe will be making cash calling games and from the Marlins... Unreal! He doesn't sign with anyone... Guy really wanted to stay here

Girardi is such a spolied bitch.

How much will he be making in 2007? I was under the impression the Marlins would be done paying him.

 

 

You are correct. I read somewhere that this was the final year that we had to pay Leiter's salary. Wish I could find the article...

Girardi is such a spolied bitch.

 

 

Excellent contribution to the thread...

 

I think it really sucks that Joe is gone. I'm still not over it. Regardless of how everyone felt about him, he got the best out of his players and he deserved better than what he got. Everyone thought he would be here for a year and then go manage the Cubs, but he's made it pretty clear now that his desire was to fulfill his 3 year contract here. I have no problem with the Marlins paying his salary for the next couple of years, if need be. They signed a deal for 3 years and skipped out early on him by firing him. They deserve to pay him. Loria hand picked him and should have signed him to a 1 year deal if he wasn't sure he knew exactly what he was getting into.

Girardi is such a spolied bitch.

 

 

 

 

The insight is priceless.

 

 

 

And you know he's a spoiled bitch how?

Girardi is such a spolied bitch.

 

 

 

 

The insight is priceless.

 

 

 

And you know he's a spoiled bitch how?

Because he acts like jobs that aren't TOP JOBS are below him.

Girardi is such a spolied bitch.

 

 

 

 

The insight is priceless.

 

 

 

And you know he's a spoiled bitch how?

Because he acts like jobs that aren't TOP JOBS are below him.

Not sure I follow you

Girardi is such a spolied bitch.

 

 

 

 

The insight is priceless.

 

 

 

And you know he's a spoiled bitch how?

Because he acts like jobs that aren't TOP JOBS are below him.

 

The man said he didn't want to move his family to a new unfamiliar environment (read: somewhere not South Florida, Chicago or New York).

 

If they haven't lived there already, they're not going there now.

Girardi is such a spolied bitch.

 

 

 

 

The insight is priceless.

 

 

 

And you know he's a spoiled bitch how?

Because he acts like jobs that aren't TOP JOBS are below him.

 

The man said he didn't want to move his family to a new unfamiliar environment (read: somewhere not South Florida, Chicago or New York).

 

If they haven't lived there already, they're not going there now.

Exactly.

 

Spoiled bitch. He's holding out for 2 jobs.

Girardi is such a spolied bitch.

 

 

 

 

The insight is priceless.

 

 

 

And you know he's a spoiled bitch how?

Because he acts like jobs that aren't TOP JOBS are below him.

 

The man said he didn't want to move his family to a new unfamiliar environment (read: somewhere not South Florida, Chicago or New York).

 

If they haven't lived there already, they're not going there now.

Exactly.

 

Spoiled bitch. He's holding out for 2 jobs.

 

How about instead of spoiled bitch it's a combination of intelligence and familial respect.

 

1) He's getting paid by the Marlins if he doesn't work. Part of me believes that he's going to purposely sit out this year and make the Marlins pay him to sit on his ass (and most of me supports him).

 

2) He's already uprooted his family once in the past 11 months, why would he do it again, in the middle of the school year for his children? He's made no secret that family comes first, and for that I respect him immeasurably.

SAN FRANCISCO ? (AP) ? San Diego manager Bruce Bochy was on his way to San Francisco on Thursday to interview with the Giants about their managerial opening.

 

The Giants received permission from the Padres on Wednesday to talk to Bochy, who was scheduled to meet with general manager Brian Sabean later Thursday about becoming Felipe Alou's successor.

 

"If he's available and that's a reality, we'd have to go forward and interview the man,'' said Dick Tidrow, the Giants' vice president of player personnel.

 

A meeting between Bochy and Sabean needed to happen immediately as Bochy is set to leave Monday for Japan to manage a group of major leaguers in an exhibition tour. He replaced Boston Red Sox skipper Terry Francona, who withdrew because of health reasons.

 

Bochy, who has one year left on his contract, and Sabean already had an informal conversation about the job. A call to Bochy's cell phone was not immediately returned Thursday.

 

Padres general manager Kevin Towers already was preparing for a possible Bochy departure.

 

"We certainly have to do our due diligence to come up with a list of candidates ourselves, a group of people we would probably interview if Bruce ends up leaving,'' Towers said in a phone interview. "I would imagine we'd know something by the weekend, because it probably would be hard to negotiate with Bruce going to Japan.''

 

The 51-year-old Bochy, who just finished his 12th season as Padres manager, has guided San Diego to back-to-back NL West titles and is the winningest manager in Padres history. He has spent the last 24 years in the organization, dating to his playing days.

 

He is due to make $1.9 million in guaranteed money in 2007 and would be San Francisco's most expensive choice among the club's top candidates. But his experience might give him an edge. Sabean has said he would prefer someone with previous managerial experience.

 

San Francisco did not renew the 71-year-old Alou's contract after the Giants finished their second straight losing season and third year in a row out of the playoffs.

 

The Giants on Monday interviewed New York Mets third-base coach Manny Acta. Giants bench coach Ron Wotus and Los Angeles Angels pitching coach Bud Black also have interviewed. None have any major league managerial experience.

 

Black is expected to interview with the Oakland Athletics about their managerial opening and could become a candidate to replace Bochy if he leaves for the Giants.

 

Bochy's Padres made the playoffs in consecutive seasons for the first time ever but were eliminated in the first round for the second straight year by the St. Louis Cardinals. San Diego did win a postseason game for the first time since clinching the NL pennant in 1998.

 

 

 

Now that would be a big CASE of being a trader

Why would Bruce Bochy leave?? He's my pick for NL manager of the year. A very underappreciated manager who always has the Padres playing well-above their talent level.

Why would Bruce Bochy leave?? He's my pick for NL manager of the year. A very underappreciated manager who always has the Padres playing well-above their talent level.

 

 

From what I've read, it sounds very much like Girardi and the Marlins front office. The Padres front office has already said that they aren't going to renew his contract. Apparently, they've been questioning his on field managing. The one thing they mention is how he would always pitch to Bonds and Pujols...

 

I'd love for the Giants to sign him, but I want Ron Wotus...