October 27, 200619 yr Who will be your top 20 pitchers 5 years from now from everyone in the major and minors currently.
October 27, 200619 yr This is about as damn near impossible to even try to predict as you can get :lol 1. Francisco Liriano 2. Philip Hughes 3. Felix Hernandez 4. Matt Cain 5. Johan Santana 6. Scott Kazmir 7. Carlos Zambrano 8. Homer Bailey 9. Yovani Gallardo 10. Mike Pelfrey 11. Justin Verlander 12. Jered Weaver 13. Chad Billingsley 14. Cole Hamels 15. Andrew Miller 16. Jake Peavy 17. Matt Garza 18. Nick Adenhart 19. Scott Elbert 20. Luke Hochevar PS- I left out Marlins pitchers on purpose, so all biases aside. I'm not going to kill myself trying to put it in perfect order, obviously we wont know until 5 years from now. Even than....a lot of the spots they'll be in (if these guys are even in the league in 5 years) would be completely debatable I probably missed someone completely obvious, but whatever, you get the gist of it.
October 27, 200619 yr verlander, zumaya, cain, wainwright, bonderman, liriano, hughes, league, santana, papelbon, peavy, and marlins pitchers..
October 27, 200619 yr 1. Francisco Liriano Reports have come out recently that Liriano is still feeling pain in his left elbow and is considering surgery, so I wouldn't be so sure about this ranking. I hope he can recover, but he has an injury history. Here is an article on the situation.. Still in pain, Liriano now considering elbow surgery The Twins pitcher, unhappy with his rehabilitation progress, left the team's Fort Myers facility to re-examine his options. La Velle E. Neal III, Star Tribune Last update: October 25, 2006 ? 12:16 AM Still experiencing pain in his left elbow, Twins pitcher Francisco Liriano has left the team's year-round facility in Florida and is considering surgery after being unsatisfied with rehabiliation. Liriano left Fort Myers, Fla., to travel to Miami, where Dr. John Uribe, one of several experts who have examined Liriano, is headquartered. While that might appear to be more than a coincidence, indications are that a final decision on surgery has not yet been made. "Francisco continued to experience pain while taking part in a throwing session, and at this point, he felt it was necessary to re-evaluate his situation," said Gene Mato, one of Liriano's agents. "After conferring with the Twins and the different medical personnel that have evaluated him, he will determine whether or not he wants to have surgery in the next week or so." Liriano went to Fort Myers shortly after the Twins were eliminated from the postseason. The plan was for him to rehab the elbow and get to a point where he could pitch in winter ballgames, which would put him in line to be ready when pitchers and catchers report to spring training in February. But Liriano is not pleased with how rehab has gone. "He's frustrated," Twins General Manager Terry Ryan said. "I know that." Ryan said he believed Liriano went to Miami to meet with his representatives and determine a new plan of action. Ryan wouldn't say this development has increased the chances surgery will be needed. "I'm hoping to get him back here and see how things go," Ryan said. Liriano, who turns 23 on Thursday, was a big reason the Twins surged to the AL Central title, going 12-3 with a 2.16 ERA. He left an Aug. 7 start against Detroit because of elbow soreness, rehabbed the elbow and tried to return Sept. 13 against Oakland when he felt the same pain. Liriano's case has been studied by Twins physicians, Uribe and top surgeons Dr. James Andrews and Dr. Lewis Yocum. Liriano was diagnosed with a mild strain of the ulnar collateral ligament, and the hope was his elbow pain would subside with rest and rehabilitation -- although an exploratory operation was considered. It's unclear if Liriano, if he elects to have surgery, will have an exploratory operation or opt for Tommy John surgery to repair the ligament. The latter could knock Liriano out for next season, which would be a blow to a Twins team that will have high expectations next year. Source-- http://www.startribune.com/509/story/764508.html
October 27, 200619 yr Liriano is another Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Rich Harden, AJ Burnett, etc.....he's been injured too many times to be that high on the list
October 27, 200619 yr Liriano is another Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Rich Harden, AJ Burnett, etc.....he's been injured too many times to be that high on the list Wayyyy to early to start comparing Francisco Liriano to Kerry Wood, or anyone else. Although, I'm sure thats what the Giants faithful are hoping :lol Of course, everyones position on the list is dependent on a any different number of factors, Lirianos being his elbow. Yes, he's been injured. But he's 22/23 years old and has gassed hitters with ease in arguably the Leagues toughest division. He's got the projectability to be one of the best pitchers in the majors 5 years from now. (As if he's not already now)
October 27, 200619 yr Liriano is another Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Rich Harden, AJ Burnett, etc.....he's been injured too many times to be that high on the list Wayyyy to early to start comparing Francisco Liriano to Kerry Wood. Although, I'm sure thats what the Giants faithful are hoping :lol Yes, he's been injured. But he's 22/23 years old and has gassed hitters with ease in arguably the Leagues toughest division. He's got the projectability to be one of the best pitchers in the majors 5 years from now. (As if he's not already now) Of course a lot of the guys positions on the list are dependent on a any different number of factors, Lirianos being his elbow. Thing is, Liriano has had a history of injury problems in the minor leagues...that's why the Giants basically gave him away for nothing. In his three years in the Giants organization, he was injured for half of 2001, half of 2002, and almost all of 2003...in 2003, everytime he was almost fully recovered from one injury, he would go through an entirely different injury When it's all said and done, Boof Bonser will have bit us in the ass more than Liriano...of course the worst part of that trade will always be Nathan
October 27, 200619 yr 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle
October 27, 200619 yr 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th.
October 27, 200619 yr 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. :lol ok To each his own I suppose
October 27, 200619 yr 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. Yeah, you're right...this year, at 25, he was only the best pitcher in the National League (before he got hurt down the stretch), and five years from now will probably be his peak
October 27, 200619 yr Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early and way too flukey of a position to project top ones. I mean, in 2002, if you were to tell somone that there's no way you could trade Mark Prior for Dontrelle Willis straight up, people'd laugh at you. Anyways, assuming no injuries and no come out of nowhere performances here'd be my list: 1) Johan Santana -He's awesome now, he'll still be in his prime and he'll still be in a pitchers atmosphere with, presumably, a solid defense behind him (as is the Twins philosophy) 2) Scott Kazmir -Keeps getting better and better, flame throwing top of the rotation lefty with two legit out pitches 3) Felix Hernandez -I think he'll just be turning 24 in 5 years, yeah, he's going to be awesome 4) Francisco Liriano -If he stays healthy, he's just plain nasty 5) Justin Verlander -Have to stay consistent with my "if he stays healthy" but, there's no way in hell Verlander stays healthy, he's Mark Prior 2.0. 6) Jered Weaver -Talent, command, control, talent around him and a pressure free atmosphere on the Angels. I love his upside 7) Phillip Hughes -You're 19 years old, have an inordinate amount of scrutiny on every minor league start you make and still post a combined 12-6 record with a 2 ERA this past season to go with a 21-7 and 2.13 ERA for your career? Yeah, sky's the limit 8) Carlos Zambrano -Gotten progressively better every season, once he gets surrounded by a more capable supporting cast, he'll start to take the pressure off of himself. 9) Scott Olsen -Like Zambrano, the only thing holding him back is how much pressure he puts on himself to do it all. 10) Homer Bailey -Dominated AA in his short appearance there, and doesn't give up the long-ball at all, which'll bode well when he reaches Cincy 11) Cole Hamels 12) Josh Beckett 13) Daniel Cabrera 14) Anibal Sanchez 15) Matt Cain 16) Andrew Miller 16) Chad Billingsly 17) Jake Peavy 18) Jon Lester 19) Mike Pelfrey 20) Chien Ming Wang
October 27, 200619 yr why no love for TIm Lincecum? His stats this year: Team Lg Level W L ERA G GS SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP Washington NCAA NCAA 12 4 1.94 22 17 3 125.1 75 39 27 8 63 199 14 1 5.39 0.57 4.52 14.29 1.10 Salem-Keizer Nwest A- 0 0 0.00 2 2 0 4.0 1 0 0 0 0 10 1 0 2.25 0.00 0.00 22.50 0.25 San Jose Calif A+ 2 0 1.95 6 6 0 27.2 13 7 6 3 12 48 2 0 4.23 0.98 3.90 15.61 0.90 he should be somewhere on the list And Chien Ming Wang shouldn't be anywhere near this list...he'll be out of baseball five years from now
October 27, 200619 yr And Chien Ming Wang shouldn't be anywhere near this list...he'll be out of baseball five years from now :lol :lol :lol Ooooooooooooooook. 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. Yeah, you're right...this year, at 25, he was only the best pitcher in the National League (before he got hurt down the stretch), and five years from now will probably be his peak Contradict much? Wang's 25.
October 28, 200619 yr And Chien Ming Wang shouldn't be anywhere near this list...he'll be out of baseball five years from now :lol :lol :lol Ooooooooooooooook. 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. Yeah, you're right...this year, at 25, he was only the best pitcher in the National League (before he got hurt down the stretch), and five years from now will probably be his peak Contradict much? Wang's 25. First of all, Wang's 26 Second of all, Wang is proof that it's more important to be lucky than good...the guy's stuff sucks, period...76 strikeouts in 218 innings...that's all i need to say
October 28, 200619 yr And Chien Ming Wang shouldn't be anywhere near this list...he'll be out of baseball five years from now :lol :lol :lol Ooooooooooooooook. 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. Yeah, you're right...this year, at 25, he was only the best pitcher in the National League (before he got hurt down the stretch), and five years from now will probably be his peak Contradict much? Wang's 25. First of all, Wang's 26 Second of all, Wang is proof that it's more important to be lucky than good...the guy's stuff sucks, period...76 strikeouts in 218 innings...that's all i need to say 19 wins, 218.0 innings, 52 walks. Fewer BB's to K's, fewer than three walks a game and over 200 innings, yeah, he sucks.
October 28, 200619 yr And Chien Ming Wang shouldn't be anywhere near this list...he'll be out of baseball five years from now :lol :lol :lol Ooooooooooooooook. 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. Yeah, you're right...this year, at 25, he was only the best pitcher in the National League (before he got hurt down the stretch), and five years from now will probably be his peak Contradict much? Wang's 25. First of all, Wang's 26 Second of all, Wang is proof that it's more important to be lucky than good...the guy's stuff sucks, period...76 strikeouts in 218 innings...that's all i need to say :banghead Typical MLB Yankee hater "fan".
October 28, 200619 yr And Chien Ming Wang shouldn't be anywhere near this list...he'll be out of baseball five years from now :lol :lol :lol Ooooooooooooooook. 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. Yeah, you're right...this year, at 25, he was only the best pitcher in the National League (before he got hurt down the stretch), and five years from now will probably be his peak Contradict much? Wang's 25. First of all, Wang's 26 Second of all, Wang is proof that it's more important to be lucky than good...the guy's stuff sucks, period...76 strikeouts in 218 innings...that's all i need to say :banghead Typical MLB Yankee hater "fan". Yep, I'm a Yankee hater alright
October 28, 200619 yr And Chien Ming Wang shouldn't be anywhere near this list...he'll be out of baseball five years from now :lol :lol :lol Ooooooooooooooook. 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. Yeah, you're right...this year, at 25, he was only the best pitcher in the National League (before he got hurt down the stretch), and five years from now will probably be his peak Contradict much? Wang's 25. First of all, Wang's 26 Second of all, Wang is proof that it's more important to be lucky than good...the guy's stuff sucks, period...76 strikeouts in 218 innings...that's all i need to say not everyone is a strikeout pitcher, and that doesn't mean they suck. he had a great year this year.
October 28, 200619 yr And Chien Ming Wang shouldn't be anywhere near this list...he'll be out of baseball five years from now :lol :lol :lol Ooooooooooooooook. 7. Carlos Zambrano No. :whistle Yeah, you're right. He probably should be a little higher up. :whistle Once again, no. I'd put Zambrano about 30th. Yeah, you're right...this year, at 25, he was only the best pitcher in the National League (before he got hurt down the stretch), and five years from now will probably be his peak Contradict much? Wang's 25. First of all, Wang's 26 Second of all, Wang is proof that it's more important to be lucky than good...the guy's stuff sucks, period...76 strikeouts in 218 innings...that's all i need to say not everyone is a strikeout pitcher, and that doesn't mean they suck. he had a great year this year. Wang will only get better. He is up there on my list.
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October 29, 200619 yr Wang throws a heavy 95-97 MPH sinker. That's why he has low K's, but is still dominant.
October 29, 200619 yr Wang throws a heavy 95-97 MPH sinker. That's why he has low K's, but is still dominant. exactly...in fact i would rather have a guy get a ton of quick and easy ground ball outs than strike out 200 guys a year...its easier on the arm
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