Bobby Maduro >>> *

As far as the crime is concerned...as if the area around the DS is a crime free zone.

 

Hopefully this is the start to a much better day than yesterday.

 

 

For the record, the violent crime rate around the DS is above average for Miami-Dade County.

 

But when you go to D.S., you park inside a gated lot. While obviously thats not foolproof, thats alot safer than parking on the street near the Orange Bowl.

 

Ya but tearing down the OB and putting a baseball stadium may create enough room to make a parking lot around the stadium. Think of all the money the Marlins would make with there own parking lot like Huizenga does at DS.

It's a wonderful idea but where the hell you are gonna build a parking garage??? Doesn't anyone have any notion of RESIDENTIAL AREA? These are living, breathing peoples homes around the OB. Sorry Dude but it just doesn't work that way!

As far as the crime is concerned...as if the area around the DS is a crime free zone.

 

Hopefully this is the start to a much better day than yesterday.

 

 

For the record, the violent crime rate around the DS is above average for Miami-Dade County.

 

But when you go to D.S., you park inside a gated lot. While obviously thats not foolproof, thats alot safer than parking on the street near the Orange Bowl.

 

Ya but tearing down the OB and putting a baseball stadium may create enough room to make a parking lot around the stadium. Think of all the money the Marlins would make with there own parking lot like Huizenga does at DS.

It's a wonderful idea but where the hell you are gonna build a parking garage??? Doesn't anyone have any notion of RESIDENTIAL AREA? These are living, breathing peoples homes around the OB. Sorry Dude but it just doesn't work that way!

 

The Orange Bowl property is nearly 40 acres. A baseball stadium with a capacity of 38k fits on a 15-18 acre site. After you build a ballpark you have nearly 22 or 25 acres to play with. With that much land you could build enough parking garages for a stadium nearly twice as big as the Marlins want.

 

As far as the local residents immediately around the OB go, once a deal is done the chances of them still living in the area when the ballpark is open is very small. No, it won't be because the city is going to bulldoze the block for parking or a MetroRail line, it will be because of a concept called urban redevelopment.

As far as the crime is concerned...as if the area around the DS is a crime free zone.

 

Hopefully this is the start to a much better day than yesterday.

 

 

For the record, the violent crime rate around the DS is above average for Miami-Dade County.

 

But when you go to D.S., you park inside a gated lot. While obviously thats not foolproof, thats alot safer than parking on the street near the Orange Bowl.

 

Ya but tearing down the OB and putting a baseball stadium may create enough room to make a parking lot around the stadium. Think of all the money the Marlins would make with there own parking lot like Huizenga does at DS.

It's a wonderful idea but where the hell you are gonna build a parking garage??? Doesn't anyone have any notion of RESIDENTIAL AREA? These are living, breathing peoples homes around the OB. Sorry Dude but it just doesn't work that way!

 

The Orange Bowl property is nearly 40 acres. A baseball stadium with a capacity of 38k fits on a 15-18 acre site. After you build a ballpark you have nearly 22 or 25 acres to play with. With that much land you could build enough parking garages for a stadium nearly twice as big as the Marlins want.

 

As far as the local residents immediately around the OB go, once a deal is done the chances of them still living in the area when the ballpark is open is very small. No, it won't be because the city is going to bulldoze the block for parking or a MetroRail line, it will be because of a concept called urban redevelopment.

Well I really hope your vision becomes reality, there are so many flaws to the OB site it's hard to see the positives

As far as the crime is concerned...as if the area around the DS is a crime free zone.

 

Hopefully this is the start to a much better day than yesterday.

 

 

For the record, the violent crime rate around the DS is above average for Miami-Dade County.

 

But when you go to D.S., you park inside a gated lot. While obviously thats not foolproof, thats alot safer than parking on the street near the Orange Bowl.

 

Ya but tearing down the OB and putting a baseball stadium may create enough room to make a parking lot around the stadium. Think of all the money the Marlins would make with there own parking lot like Huizenga does at DS.

It's a wonderful idea but where the hell you are gonna build a parking garage??? Doesn't anyone have any notion of RESIDENTIAL AREA? These are living, breathing peoples homes around the OB. Sorry Dude but it just doesn't work that way!

 

The Orange Bowl property is nearly 40 acres. A baseball stadium with a capacity of 38k fits on a 15-18 acre site. After you build a ballpark you have nearly 22 or 25 acres to play with. With that much land you could build enough parking garages for a stadium nearly twice as big as the Marlins want.

 

As far as the local residents immediately around the OB go, once a deal is done the chances of them still living in the area when the ballpark is open is very small. No, it won't be because the city is going to bulldoze the block for parking or a MetroRail line, it will be because of a concept called urban redevelopment.

Well I really hope your vision becomes reality, there are so many flaws to the OB site it's hard to see the positives

 

No, you just don't know what you're talking about.

The first line of the new metro-rail will be the East-West line going from 117 Ave and 8 St at FIU following the 836 and stretching to downtown. There will definately be a stop at the OB especially if the Marlins get a stadium there. This site would be perfect. I guarantee you condos and hotels and retail are going to be building up around the OB.

No, you just don't know what you're talking about.

 

 

enlighten me then oh keemo sabe...mr. know-it-all

As far as the crime is concerned...as if the area around the DS is a crime free zone.

 

Hopefully this is the start to a much better day than yesterday.

 

 

For the record, the violent crime rate around the DS is above average for Miami-Dade County.

 

But when you go to D.S., you park inside a gated lot. While obviously thats not foolproof, thats alot safer than parking on the street near the Orange Bowl.

 

Ya but tearing down the OB and putting a baseball stadium may create enough room to make a parking lot around the stadium. Think of all the money the Marlins would make with there own parking lot like Huizenga does at DS.

It's a wonderful idea but where the hell you are gonna build a parking garage??? Doesn't anyone have any notion of RESIDENTIAL AREA? These are living, breathing peoples homes around the OB. Sorry Dude but it just doesn't work that way!

 

The Orange Bowl property is nearly 40 acres. A baseball stadium with a capacity of 38k fits on a 15-18 acre site. After you build a ballpark you have nearly 22 or 25 acres to play with. With that much land you could build enough parking garages for a stadium nearly twice as big as the Marlins want.

 

As far as the local residents immediately around the OB go, once a deal is done the chances of them still living in the area when the ballpark is open is very small. No, it won't be because the city is going to bulldoze the block for parking or a MetroRail line, it will be because of a concept called urban redevelopment.

Well I really hope your vision becomes reality, there are so many flaws to the OB site it's hard to see the positives

 

No, you just don't know what you're talking about.

I resent that remark, usually I could give a good crap, let me know how much I don't know what I am talking about I lived in Miami for 12 years, worked across the street fronm Victoria Hospital (If you didn't know is smack in the middle of little Havana) while living in Kendall and then the MetroZoo area for 6 of those years I then worked in Carol City about 5 minutes away from Dolphin Stadium (Known to me as Pro Player Staduim ) Commuting there daily. If it comes to getting shortcuts and taking sidestreets I tried them all. I have been an avid Heat Fan since the Team's inception and would go to at least 10 games a year, therefore I am forever grateful for the Metro-rail. However if you believe a shuttle bus from the Government Center station is the solution for the traffick outlet problems of the OB then you have no idea whatsoever of what you are talking about...do you? BTW My Friend had access to season tickets for the Canes at the 50 yrd line 3 rows away from the University's President Box. I will provide with further insignificant details...I use to hate going because of being only 5'6'' in height I would miss a lot of the action but the environment for Canes football is second to none (when it's a good game) We would go to 3 or 4 games a years and pay 5.00 to park on someone's lawn

BTW IFESTA you don't have to be such an a**hole about it,dude. I went to my first game at the OB before you were even born!

The only real issues with the OB site are:

 

1) It isn't in the heart of downtown Miami like the Bicentennial, GC and Arena sites. But it's still fairly close to downtown and it isn't out in the middle of nowhere like the Hialeah and Pompano site. When I say nowhere I mean in terms of corporate dollars, and in the end THAT'S what will allow the Marlins to have 30k a night at the ballpark. The "put it in the middle of everyone" model was tried with DS and it has failed.

 

2) A direct connection with MetroRail.

 

3) There might be a legitimate case about it hurting Broward fans somewhat, but as of now the stadium is right next to Broward and attendance is still sh*tty

 

 

Positives on the site:

 

1) Enough space for a stadium and parking

2) Urban setting

3) Highway access (no one is going east in the afternoon so traffic shouldn't and won't be an issue)

4) Proximity to high density residential towers, Coral Gables, Brickell, etc. etc. etc. (i.e $$$$$$$$$)

5) On the eastern end of the Latino population of SW Miami-Dade. The biggest segment of the Marlins fanbase by far. It is also a group that cannot make the weeknight trek out to the ballpark because they would be going with the flow of traffic (northward).

6) Area that has very good prospects for redevelopment with a ballpark in it, thus the city is more incline to get a deal done.

 

In the end, the shortcomings with mass transit will be fixed due to the amount of potential money a ballpark district would infuse into the area and in turn the city of Miami.

 

The OB is a very good site. The best and most ideal ballpark site would be in the heart of downtown, but that isn't going to happen. Once again, there is no perfect site, but the OB is the closest we will get too it.

BTW, what the hell does when you or I went to the OB have to do with this conversation?

A lot of times it is what is not said that is more telling than what is actually put into words..The City of Miami has been the only one crusading for the OB, it is the not what MLB or the Marlins have envisioned or expected. It is more like this is what there is, it was a remedial solution. This is kinda like when you ask for that baseball glove for Christmas and when you opened up the wrapping you found that plastic toy glove. This wasn't even what the city of Miami hoped for but in this political environment this is the only thing there is, I hope they at least build something that will appeal to the masses and will be praised by all

A lot of times it is what is not said that is more telling than what is actually put into words..The City of Miami has been the only one crusading for the OB, it is the not what MLB or the Marlins have envisioned or expected. It is more like this is what there is, it was a remedial solution. This is kinda like when you ask for that baseball glove for Christmas and when you opened up the wrapping you found that plastic toy glove. This wasn't even what the city of Miami hoped for but in this political environment this is the only thing there is, I hope they at least build something that will appeal to the masses and will be praised by all

 

If I were MLB or the Marlins I would be pushing for the downtown site as well. That site is simply better, but it isn't going to happen. The Marlins had no issue with the OB site when the stadium issue really took off after the World Series win. It is only now that a better site came up that they start 'whining' about this site. It doesn't mean that this site is terrible, it just means the other downtown site is better.

 

BTW, the city and county commission have been pushing for a stadium at the OB since 2004. The OB site is not new and it certainly isn't "not what the city of Miami hoped for." They have been by far the biggest supporter of this site.

The first line of the new metro-rail will be the East-West line going from 117 Ave and 8 St at FIU following the 836 and stretching to downtown. There will definately be a stop at the OB especially if the Marlins get a stadium there. This site would be perfect. I guarantee you condos and hotels and retail are going to be building up around the OB.

 

Don't want to be much of a "Debbie Downer," but the "first line" of the new MetroRail is actually the Northern Extension up NW 27 Avenue from Earlington Heights to the Broward County Line with a station at Dolphin Stadium. That line isn't projected to start revenue service until 2011 (see the Metro Transit website for that information).

 

The East-West Line is going from FIU to Earlington Heights. It is not projected to go downtown. See map below:

 

 

 

An East-West line with an Orange Bowl station is probably fifteen to twenty years away from becoming a reality! So I wouldn't rely on that so soon. The Orange Bowl will continue to be served as it always has, with shuttle service from the Civic Center and Culmer stations, which is extremely reliable as that is how I used to go to Dolphins games at the OB. Look at the OB neighborhood aerial below. The Civic Center station (circled in red) is less than one mile from the OB property. The Culmer station is circled in yellow is also within a one mile radius. So shuttle service to and from both to the stadium is possible. Plus, we're talking about a 36,000 seat stadium where maybe 15% to 30% will use public transit (and those low numbers sicken me, but this is South Florida and people just cannot be separated from their cars), so the capacity is there for public transit.

The first line of the new metro-rail will be the East-West line going from 117 Ave and 8 St at FIU following the 836 and stretching to downtown. There will definately be a stop at the OB especially if the Marlins get a stadium there. This site would be perfect. I guarantee you condos and hotels and retail are going to be building up around the OB.

 

Don't want to be much of a "Debbie Downer," but the "first line" of the new MetroRail is actually the Northern Extension up NW 27 Avenue from Earlington Heights to the Broward County Line with a station at Dolphin Stadium. That line isn't projected to start revenue service until 2011 (see the Metro Transit website for that information).

 

The East-West Line is going from FIU to Earlington Heights. It is not projected to go downtown. See map below:

 

 

 

An East-West line with an Orange Bowl station is probably fifteen to twenty years away from becoming a reality! So I wouldn't rely on that so soon. The Orange Bowl will continue to be served as it always has, with shuttle service from the Civic Center and Culmer stations, which is extremely reliable as that is how I used to go to Dolphins games at the OB. Look at the OB neighborhood aerial below. The Civic Center station (circled in red) is less than one mile from the OB property. The Culmer station is circled in yellow is also within a one mile radius. So shuttle service to and from both to the stadium is possible. Plus, we're talking about a 36,000 seat stadium where maybe 15% to 30% will use public transit (and those low numbers sicken me, but this is South Florida and people just cannot be separated from their cars), so the capacity is there for public transit.

 

 

Most realistic posting reference to the OB site I have seen posted. We will deal with the traffic and the infrastructure and we will go but these are areas of serious concern not to be taken lightly and absolutely not to be ignored

so what finally happened with the hialeah spot?... i'd take a stadium in hialeah than no stadium.... especially as hialeah is expected to expand now with all that land out west being part of hialeah.

so what finally happened with the hialeah spot?... i'd take a stadium in hialeah than no stadium.... especially as hialeah is expected to expand now with all that land out west being part of hialeah.

Hialeah can't put up the money, Miami can and will

so what finally happened with the hialeah spot?... i'd take a stadium in hialeah than no stadium.... especially as hialeah is expected to expand now with all that land out west being part of hialeah.

 

Jerry del Castillo's patented Media Hype Machine could only carry it so far.