Posted April 23, 200816 yr comment_1004932 The Dallas Cowboys and Tennessee Titans have agreed in principle on a trade for suspended cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones. Pacman Jones Jones The agreement, which was first reported by ESPN's Ed Werder, was confirmed to The Associated Press by both teams. No terms had been filed with the NFL office, which already had closed for the day. Dallas will send its fourth-round pick (the 126th overall) in Saturday's draft to the Titans for Jones. There are also conditions attached to the trade related to Jones being reinstated by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and how much he plays for the Cowboys. If he plays a significant amount of time in 2008, the Titans will get an additional pick from the Cowboys in 2009. If he doesn't get reinstated by the NFL, the Titans will send an undisclosed 2009 draft pick back to the Cowboys. Also, Pacman has reached a financial settlement with the Titans regarding his contract situation. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that Jones will forgo the $1.25 million performance bonus that he earned in 2005. Instead of repaying the Titans a portion of his signing bonus, he has agreed to make a $500,000 donation to a charity of the Titans choice within the next two years. Jones has agreed to a restructured contract with the Cowboys.Terms of the deal were not available. The Titans gave Jones permission to talk to other teams weeks ago, and the cornerback had been barred from working out on their property in February. The Titans and Cowboys struggled to agree on compensation for someone who hadn't played since December 2006. Jones was suspended in April 2007 for his off-field conduct, and a January visit to an Atlanta strip club prompted the NFL to tell him the league wouldn't consider reinstatement him until prior to the opening of training camps in July. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3364138 I'm not surprised whatsoever. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 23, 200816 yr comment_1004933 Ugh, Gonna make the Steelers/Cowboys game more interesting Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004934 lol just another overrated player to dallas Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr Author comment_1004935 lol just another overrated player to dallas Parcells goes to Miami and the Cowboys start turning into the Dolphins Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004936 lol just another overrated player to dallas Parcells goes to Miami and the Cowboys start turning into the Dolphins he hasnt even been reinstated yet either i dont think. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004937 lol just another overrated player to dallas Pac-Man is many things (douchebag, dumbshit, clinically insane), but overrated is not one. When healthy and eligible, he's one of the top 3 CB's and PR's in football. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004938 lol just another overrated player to dallas Pac-Man is many things (douchebag, dumbshit, clinically insane), but overrated is not one. When healthy and eligible, he's one of the top 3 CB's and PR's in football. I wouldn't say CB, Champ Bailey, Asomugha, Cromartie and arguably a few others are ahead of him. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004939 lol just another overrated player to dallas Pac-Man is many things (douchebag, dumbshit, clinically insane), but overrated is not one. When healthy and eligible, he's one of the top 3 CB's and PR's in football. I wouldn't say CB, Champ Bailey, Asomugha, Cromartie and arguably a few others are ahead of him. Based on Pac-Man's 2006 play, Bailey is maybe better. That's it. (I'm looking in the Football Outsiders archives for the stats that back this up, but I don't know if I'll find them tonight) Of course there's no guarantee Pac-Man can still play at his 2006 level, but if he's anywhere near it Dallas just got a ton better. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004940 lol just another overrated player to dallas Pac-Man is many things (douchebag, dumbshit, clinically insane), but overrated is not one. When healthy and eligible, he's one of the top 3 CB's and PR's in football. I wouldn't say CB, Champ Bailey, Asomugha, Cromartie and arguably a few others are ahead of him. Based on Pac-Man's 2006 play, Bailey is maybe better. That's it. (I'm looking in the Football Outsiders archives for the stats that back this up, but I don't know if I'll find them tonight) Of course there's no guarantee Pac-Man can still play at his 2006 level, but if he's anywhere near it Dallas just got a ton better. If you find them, Im interested, because a truly great CB's impact won't be reflected so much in stats, inasmuch as a lackthereof, because the offense will try to avoid that CB. DeAngelo Hall was another guy I forgot to add. And honestly, it shoudn't even be a maybe for Champ Bailey, every NFL player will tell you he's the best hands down, subjective as that is. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004941 lol just another overrated player to dallas Pac-Man is many things (douchebag, dumbshit, clinically insane), but overrated is not one. When healthy and eligible, he's one of the top 3 CB's and PR's in football. I wouldn't say CB, Champ Bailey, Asomugha, Cromartie and arguably a few others are ahead of him. Based on Pac-Man's 2006 play, Bailey is maybe better. That's it. (I'm looking in the Football Outsiders archives for the stats that back this up, but I don't know if I'll find them tonight) Of course there's no guarantee Pac-Man can still play at his 2006 level, but if he's anywhere near it Dallas just got a ton better. If you find them, Im interested, because a truly great CB's impact won't be reflected so much in stats, inasmuch as a lackthereof, because the offense will try to avoid that CB. DeAngelo Hall was another guy I forgot to add. And honestly, it shoudn't even be a maybe for Champ Bailey, every NFL player will tell you he's the best hands down, subjective as that is. Ways of analyzing CB performance exist. One of the cruder measures is by yards per attempt when a particular CB is targeted. It's not perfect, because it doesn't adjust for differentations among the quality of WR/QB's faced, but it's better than nothing. You can look to FO's stats on how a particular defense does against #1 and #2 WR's, but those aren't great either because of the lack of adjustments for coverages and assignments. Also, DeAngelo Hall? Come on, you're better than that. One of the NFL's best? Come on, you're better than that. This isn't the greatest piece on the matter, but it's better than nothing (and was easy to locate among FO's old stuff). Conveniently it discusses both Mr. Pac-Man's merits and DeAngelo Hall's, well, lack of merits. Linkery Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004942 lol just another overrated player to dallas Pac-Man is many things (douchebag, dumbshit, clinically insane), but overrated is not one. When healthy and eligible, he's one of the top 3 CB's and PR's in football. I wouldn't say CB, Champ Bailey, Asomugha, Cromartie and arguably a few others are ahead of him. Based on Pac-Man's 2006 play, Bailey is maybe better. That's it. (I'm looking in the Football Outsiders archives for the stats that back this up, but I don't know if I'll find them tonight) Of course there's no guarantee Pac-Man can still play at his 2006 level, but if he's anywhere near it Dallas just got a ton better. If you find them, Im interested, because a truly great CB's impact won't be reflected so much in stats, inasmuch as a lackthereof, because the offense will try to avoid that CB. DeAngelo Hall was another guy I forgot to add. And honestly, it shoudn't even be a maybe for Champ Bailey, every NFL player will tell you he's the best hands down, subjective as that is. Ways of analyzing CB performance exist. One of the cruder measures is by yards per attempt when a particular CB is targeted. It's not perfect, because it doesn't adjust for differentations among the quality of WR/QB's faced, but it's better than nothing. You can look to FO's stats on how a particular defense does against #1 and #2 WR's, but those aren't great either because of the lack of adjustments for coverages and assignments. Also, DeAngelo Hall? Come on, you're better than that. One of the NFL's best? Come on, you're better than that. This isn't the greatest piece on the matter, but it's better than nothing (and was easy to locate among FO's old stuff). Conveniently it discusses both Mr. Pac-Man's merits and DeAngelo Hall's, well, lack of merits. Linkery While I see the plausible uses for these and such (and I also admit I was grabbing at air with Hall) they don't strike me as reliable at all, if only for the same reason you can't trust defensive stats in baseball. Number of men in the box, whether or not safeties are playing in Cover 2 or Cover 3 all kinda skews this. I kinda lol'd at Samari Rolle being called out, because I've watched it happen so much anyways. But yeah, back to the point at hand, WR/QB matchups, offensive (west coast vs "conventional" passing) opposition all change this one way or another. I mean, yeah, there's no doubting Jones is a good CB, I've never denied that, but this just doesn't definitively prove that he's among the tops in my book, specifically due to the reasons I said. I'm sure you'll probably come up with something though, and I'll be like :mis2 I agree! Till then, I'm skeptical Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004943 why not? he's cheap Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004944 Those stats are actually better than most others, because the guys evaluating when the CB was and was not targeted watch the film to determine whether or not the CB was, in fact, the target of the pass or whether it was just a blown assignment. Still, they don't adjust for quality of opponent. Also, weather conditions are not considered, which is a large problem I have with FO's operation. No stat in football is going to be completely reliable, but it's better than going on highlights and/or small sample sizes seen in a limited amount of games. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 200816 yr comment_1004945 Those stats are actually better than most others, because the guys evaluating when the CB was and was not targeted watch the film to determine whether or not the CB was, in fact, the target of the pass or whether it was just a blown assignment. Still, they don't adjust for quality of opponent. Also, weather conditions are not considered, which is a large problem I have with FO's operation. No stat in football is going to be completely reliable, but it's better than going on highlights and/or small sample sizes seen in a limited amount of games. Oh, I agree completely, as long as we know the limitations and the room for error with a metric, and as long as those errors are made across the board, the metrics can still be useful. But like I said, for defensive stats in baseball, they can't be used to make definitive statements about players this close in the spectrum to one another. I mean, obviously I'd rather have (for instance) PacMan* instead of Samari. But would I rather have Pacman over Nmandi? That's harder. (and I probably wouldn't)* *this is based on the player on-field :whistle Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/57421-pac-man-to-dallas/?&do=findComment&comment=1004945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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