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Yeah, we're really missing that .261 OBP in the leadoff spot.

 

I doubt that is representative, but the likely .333 is not a good option for lead off.

 

still better than the .300 we're getting from the Amezega and Ross combo.

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Yeah, we're really missing that .261 OBP in the leadoff spot.

 

I doubt that is representative, but the likely .333 is not a good option for lead off.

 

still better than the .300 we're getting from the Amezega and Ross combo.

 

We should get better than .333 over time from that combo. Both are better than what we are seeing from them thus far.

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Amezaga is OBPing about .344. That's okay. I'd like to think Carroll will get some starts over Ross or Ross will start hitting lefties again.

Just thinking out loud here but I wonder if Carroll has any kind of future as a leadoff hitter. Between AA and AAA last year, he OBP'd .360 and through his first 75 PAs with the 'Topes this year (yeah, I know it's the PCL), he's OBPing .480. If he could develop a little more discipline, he might have some sort of future hitting first. Not now but maybe in a year or two.

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This guy has to be the slowest healer in the history of the game....

This guy breaks a nail and he goes on the 15 day DL....

 

High ankle sprains are bad. They don't want you doing anything for six weeks. If it ain't better after that they start to use the S-word...surgery.

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Amezaga is OBPing about .344. That's okay. I'd like to think Carroll will get some starts over Ross or Ross will start hitting lefties again.

 

Ok? Just? For Amezaga I couldnt ask for more really...

 

As for De Aza dont forget he is young, and he has potential.

There is no need to speak relatively for specific players.

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Amezaga is OBPing about .344. That's okay. I'd like to think Carroll will get some starts over Ross or Ross will start hitting lefties again.

 

Ok? Just? For Amezaga I couldnt ask for more really...

 

As for De Aza dont forget he is young, and he has potential.

There is no need to speak relatively for specific players.

 

Why not? Its not like you can always have the ideal player per position, so its better to make it situational rather than hypothetical. Its with what we have, not what we should have.

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We have three players that are capable of putting up .360+ at the top of the order (Hermida, Willingham, Ramirez). A .344 OBP is slightly above mediocre. Thus, it's okay. We may not have an ideal lead off hitter but that does not mean the wise move is to but a bad on base lead off player at the top of the order because he is "fast" and plays centerfield.

 

You guys are too fixated on this fallacious idea that the lead off player has to be speedy and play 2B/CF. That argument is mostly without merit.

 

De Aza has proven nothing to this organization. In fact, despite Ross's 2008 struggles he has at least earned job security over the past two seasons. For everyone here to be counting on the "ghostly" De Aza (in more ways than one), is rather tiresome considering he has no future with this club.

 

When De Aza comes back he needs to prove his worth like De Aza and Ross have in 2006 and 2007. The Marlins have habitually made the mistake of simply handing the CF position to bad players that have proven nothing. First it was Reed, then Abercrombie, and then technically De Aza's abysmal 150 PA in 2007.

 

Far too much emphasis has been placed on spring training it seems.

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We have three players that are capable of putting up .360+ at the top of the order (Hermida, Willingham, Ramirez). A .344 OBP is slightly above mediocre. Thus, it's okay. We may not have an ideal lead off hitter but that does not mean the wise move is to but a bad on base lead off player at the top of the order because he is "fast" and plays centerfield.

 

You guys are too fixated on this fallacious idea that the lead off player has to be speedy and play 2B/CF. That argument is mostly without merit.

 

De Aza has proven nothing to this organization. In fact, despite Ross's 2008 struggles he has at least earned job security over the past two seasons. For everyone here to be counting on the "ghostly" De Aza (in more ways than one), is rather tiresome considering he has no future with this club.

 

When De Aza comes back he needs to prove his worth like De Aza and Ross have in 2006 and 2007. The Marlins have habitually made the mistake of simply handing the CF position to bad players that have proven nothing. First it was Reed, then Abercrombie, and then technically De Aza's abysmal 150 PA in 2007.

 

Far too much emphasis has been placed on spring training it seems.

What do you think of Brett Carroll as a lead off guy? Looking at his career stats, he's always put up a good OBP. If he could be a little more patient and K a little less, he'd be as good an option as Cody Ross.

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Eh, good numbers in college but not so much in the minors. He OBPed .360 in 300 ABs last year but that was in the PCL

 

Don't get me wrong...while Willingham is out, I am fine with Amezaga and whoever else hitting in lead off. However, I don't think Gonzalez will make the necessary switches when he comes back.

 

It just makes me cringe to hear people calling Amezaga a good lead off hitter (apparently just because he is a singles hitter/fast player). The same people who probably think Juan Pierre is a prototypical leadoff hitter.

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I'm not sure why Fredi has seemingly banished Carroll to the very end of the bench after being called up from AAA with a line (.418/.480/.896/1.376) that you would think most teams would find a spot for. Considering we're deficient at not one but two outfield positions I was surprised at his lack of playing time BUT we're winning and Gonzo's contributing and...well being a few percentage points on top of the NL East sure beats the cellar where every reporter, columnist and self-professed expert in print or the internet guaranteed we'd be.

 

One thing that brings value to Rotoworld is their news capsules don't expire with time so if you want you can go back through a player's career and gain some insight that looking at numbers can't provide, at least from a causal standpoint you can. In looking at Jones' historical news one of the things most troubling to the Cubs was his fall off in homeruns from 27 in 2006 to 5 in 2007 with only eighty less at bats. That and he wanted out of Chicago.

 

A common thread at Rotoworld and elsewhere questions whether he's a capable CFer any more and offensively can he be anything more than a platoon player at best? Dolphin Stadium and its cavernous CF begs the question can he still play the position? And not that it's necessarily relevant other than to provide some prospective, this fall off in production has been going on since the beginning of spring training, it didn't start last week.

 

A lot of this has as much to do with Willingham's back as CF. Ross very well might have been gone two weeks ago were it not for the situation with Josh and is still the odd man out if the Marlins pull the trigger on this or another unannounced move. The unforeseen effect of Willingham's back is that the Marlins have lost any edge they might have had at the trading table.

 

BTW, it might be worth noting that the same Sun-Sentinel giving credence to this Jones thing (but to be fair everyone else is out on that ledge with them) had him already signed, sealed and delivered to the Marlins last summer, getting way ahead of themselves on the story that never happened. In this case where's there's smoke there's probably fire, but you have to ask yourself if Jacque Jones is worth trading for (as in compensation going back to the Tigers and/or paying anything other than the absolute minimum) rather than letting the eight more days pass and grabbing him off the discard heap? If the Padres or someone else really wants him that badly it won't be the end of the world if we miss out.

 

We're in first place this morning in part because Beinfest, Hill and company are right more often than they're wrong. If they pull the trigger on a trade for Jones, or they wait and try to acquire him on the open market, or they ultimately pass on him, you have to say they know what they're doing as much fun as it is second-guessing them.

 

But in the meantime why Cody Ross continues to play while showing absolutely nothing this season and a kid who very well may have a future at a couple of positions sits at the end of the bench baffles me. For the time being I'm taking Fredi at his word that while Carroll may be on the bench currently "...but only right now" there are plans for him down the road.

 

When that trip starts I have no idea but Fredi was quoted as saying Carroll would probably get a start in this Milwaukee series, that is if they can thaw him out in time.

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