October 21, 200818 yr Anyone else see this article? Joe Biden creeps me out, the guy is a bigger war hawk than GWB and now he comes out with statements like this. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/20...-to-suppor.html "Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy." "I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us." Why is he so scared of how the liberals are going to think of Obama in a couple years?? What is he planning on doing to alienate a fervent base? "There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound." Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons." "You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real." "We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it." The last part is what worries me the most. I hate to speak in hyperbole, but it sounds like a military draft to me. The only way a draft could ever happen IMO is with a situation of what we have (or will shortly have) now: a popular democrat President calls for one and gets no opposition from because the house is also controlled by his blinded supporting democrats. Congress isn't going to block anything Obama/Biden wants, and he want veto anything they want. It's a scary situation giving these two so much power. After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom. "I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked. "All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place," he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. "We have the ability to straighten it out. It's gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us."
October 21, 200818 yr Here is Sarah Palin's interpretation of what Biden was talking about (delivered during a rally speech)...This is golden :lol Two weeks from today, Americans will be asked to cast their vote for the next president of the United States. There's no time to wait. Let's get right to it. Did you hear what Senator Biden said at a fundraiser on Sunday? He guaranteed that if Barack Obama is elected, we'll face an international crisis within the first six months of their administration. He told Democrat donors to mark his words ? that there were "at least four or five scenarios" that would place our country at risk in an Obama administration. Thanks for the warning, Joe! He didn't specify what all those four or five scenarios will be, but for clues, let's review the Obama foreign policy agenda. Our opponent wants to sit down with the world's worst dictators. With no preconditions, he proposes to meet with a regime in Teheran that vows to "wipe Israel off the map." Let's call that crisis scenario number one. Senator Obama has also advocated sending our U.S. military into Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government. Invading the sovereign territory of a troubled partner in the war against terrorism. We'll call that scenario number two. He opposed the surge strategy that has finally brought victory in Iraq within sight. He's voted to cut off funding for our troops, leaving our young men and women at grave risk. He wants to pull out, leaving some 25 million Iraqis at the mercy of Iranian-supported Shiite extremists and al Qaeda in Iraq. By his own admission, this could mean our troops would have to go back to Iraq. Crisis scenario number three. After the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence ? the kind of response that would only encourage Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine next. That would be crisis scenario number four. But I guess the looming crisis that most worries the Obama campaign right now is Joe Biden's next speaking engagement. Let's call that crisis scenario number five. The real problem is that these warnings from Joe Biden are similar to his earlier assessment of Barack Obama. It wasn't so long ago that he said Barack Obama wasn't up to the job, and that, quote, "the presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training." The same Joe Biden said he would be honored to run on the ticket with John McCain because, quote, "the country would be better off." And here we have some common ground. I want a president who spent 22 years in uniform defending our country. I want a president who isn't afraid to use the word "victory" when he talks about the wars we are fighting. I want a president who's ready on Day One. I want a president with the experience and the judgment and the wisdom to meet the next international crisis ? or better yet to avoid it. I want John McCain as our commander-in-chief.
October 21, 200818 yr Anyone else see this article? Joe Biden creeps me out, the guy is a bigger war hawk than GWB and now he comes out with statements like this. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/20...-to-suppor.html "Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy." "I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us." Why is he so scared of how the liberals are going to think of Obama in a couple years?? What is he planning on doing to alienate a fervent base? "There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound." Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons." "You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real." "We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it." The last part is what worries me the most. I hate to speak in hyperbole, but it sounds like a military draft to me. The only way a draft could ever happen IMO is with a situation of what we have (or will shortly have) now: a popular democrat President calls for one and gets no opposition from because the house is also controlled by his blinded supporting democrats. Congress isn't going to block anything Obama/Biden wants, and he want veto anything they want. It's a scary situation giving these two so much power. After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom. "I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked. "All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place," he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. "We have the ability to straighten it out. It's gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us." When he was campaigning during the dem primaries, that was his main attack on Obama. Seems like a slip of the tongue and a lame attempt to cover his ass. I can't believe something like that would be scripted for him. Pretty pathetic when your own VP candidate doesn't trust you to keep the country safe from harm.
October 21, 200818 yr Pretty pathetic when your own VP candidate doesn't trust you to keep the country safe from harm. No president can be trusted to keep the country safe from harm.
October 21, 200818 yr When he was campaigning during the dem primaries, that was his main attack on Obama. Seems like a slip of the tongue and a lame attempt to cover his ass. I can't believe something like that would be scripted for him. Pretty pathetic when your own VP candidate doesn't trust you to keep the country safe from harm. Maybe I missed it, but where does he say he doesn't trust him to keep the country safe? He says he will need help, but so would anyone. Is McCain going to be all by himself making decisions?
October 21, 200818 yr Biden said that Obama's election will incite a test. I can tell you, people would be afraid of that crazy old f***, McCain.
October 22, 200818 yr I'm pretty sure that Biden's comments are being taken in the wrong way. I take his comments as saying that we have a lot of national security problems to worry about these days, and things have a habit of developing rather rapidly. With countries like Pakistan, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and others, you really never know what could happen. He's also saying that it's very possible that as president, Obama will have to make decisions that aren't popular. The same could be said about McCain if he wins. I don't see any indication of a war or military draft in his remarks whatsoever.
October 22, 200818 yr he knows obama is going to be a bad president and is saying just stick it out. :whistle
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