From Peter Gammons..

 

Now that they have a $49 million payroll for players, the Marlins have to make tough decisions on Lee, Mike Lowell, Luis Castillo, Mark Redman and Juan Encarnacion.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1662230

 

 

Is he referring to our team salary without the fa's? Or is he referring to what Loria decided to spend for next year? If so, we should expect to lose at least 3 of our position players and have no chance at Guerrero. :banghead

Its probably the Money with those Key Guys Off it i think...

First of all the number is wrong. Everyone seems to forget the $2 million we're getting from Colorado as part of the Wilson/Johnson/Hampton/Pierre thing, so the number Gammons used is really $51 million not $49 million.

 

There is another chunk due Hampton plus the deferred Pudge money, this $60 million becomes $51 mil, which is more than we had last year. In fact, the Marlins are one of a few teams that are INCREASING their payroll this year.

 

FA, free agency has nothing to do with it, it's all the Hampton and Pudge thing.

Exactly, our payroll is going up but all the media will talk about is the loss of players.

peter gammons really doesn't have much credibility outside espn and boston circles.

peter gammons really doesn't have much credibility outside espn and boston circles.

Actually his notes provide one of the few remaining free "rumors" sections. I'm not saying he's my favorite baseball journalist, but he's not useless. Don't freak out about the payroll (49 mill) because like others said it doesn't include deferred payments, revenue sharing, and Rockies cash payment. I encourage all of you to read the entire article to get an idea of what other clubs seem to be doing...which is mostly cutting payroll. This group includes the almighty ($$$ at least) Dodgers, Braves, and Mets.

peter gammons really doesn't have much credibility outside espn and boston circle jerks.

fixed your quote

gammons isn't being a jerk.

 

he's assuming that the marlins have a $60million payroll next season.

 

then he's deducting $8million for hampton

and $3million for deferred pudge money

 

60 - 8 - 3 = 49

 

$49million is exactly how much we're expected to have to work with

 

(i'm not aware of an extra $2mil, but it's still about the same amount)

then he's deducting $8million for hampton

and $3million for deferred pudge money

 

60 - 8 - 3 = 49

exactly :thumbup

First of all the number is wrong. Everyone seems to forget the $2 million we're getting from Colorado as part of the Wilson/Johnson/Hampton/Pierre thing, so the number Gammons used is really $51 million not $49 million.

 

There is another chunk due Hampton plus the deferred Pudge money, this $60 million becomes $51 mil, which is more than we had last year. In fact, the Marlins are one of a few teams that are INCREASING their payroll this year.

 

FA, free agency has nothing to do with it, it's all the Hampton and Pudge thing.

I don't get your math.

 

I think you're saying that the Marlins 2004 payroll is $60 million, including Hampton and the 2003 Pudge deferral.

 

Hampton will make $12 million in 2004. We pay $10 million of that but we get $2 million from Colorado so we actually pay $8 million to Hampton in 2004.

 

We owe Pudge $3 million in 2004.

 

So that's $11 million in 2004 for Pudge and Hampton.

 

With a payroll number of $60 million, I think Gammons' number of $49 million for players is correct.

 

The $49 million is an increase over last year's payroll for players (i.e. minus Hampton). I wish Gammons had been clear about that.

 

Edit: Sorry, alkazoid - I was typing this at the same time you were.

The $49 million is an increase over last year's payroll for players (i.e. minus Hampton). I wish Gammons had been clear about that.

i agree with cha, the only thing gammons should've done is be more clear.

The Colorado Rockies sent Hampton, Pierre and two million dollars a year to pay Hampton for the rest of his contract in return for the players the Marlins sent over.

 

The payroll hasn't been set yet by Loria, so these writers are writing these articles premature because Beinfest doesn't even know it yet and he is the only opinion that matters.

 

Beinfest is the magician, not any sports writer.

49 mil is right...

That is key - Cape brings up an excellent point. Payroll still hasnt been set - or at least publicly delcared.

 

This is an excellent strategy. For one, agents/players dont know how much we are going to spend and cannot try and sucker us for bigger/better deals with more money. They may take first offers because the Marlins offers will not be percieved to be much higher. Also, that helps us establish the market by 'low-balling' if we so choose. Maybe Loria wants to increase payroll to 70MM this year? We dont know that - and neither do the players/agents/media. It gives us a huge advantage to be perceived as a small market team. Not saying we arent, but our recent success has given us some leverage to make things happen. I think the annoucement for payroll hasnt been done (publicly) yet for a strategical reason. Either way, we'll see.

That is key - Cape brings up an excellent point. Payroll still hasnt been set - or at least publicly delcared.

 

This is an excellent strategy. For one, agents/players dont know how much we are going to spend and cannot try and sucker us for bigger/better deals with more money. They may take first offers because the Marlins offers will not be percieved to be much higher. Also, that helps us establish the market by 'low-balling' if we so choose. Maybe Loria wants to increase payroll to 70MM this year? We dont know that - and neither do the players/agents/media. It gives us a huge advantage to be perceived as a small market team. Not saying we arent, but our recent success has given us some leverage to make things happen. I think the annoucement for payroll hasnt been done (publicly) yet for a strategical reason. Either way, we'll see.

it also raises the question of how badly loria was lying when he claimed he lost $20million this season.

 

perhaps he lost some money, but i find it very hard to believe he lost an amount that large just because of what a financial boon a long postseason is.

 

it's smart on his part to make himself sound cash-strapped so he can be a cheapskate at the negotiating table. that being said, i seriously doubt his motive in lying is just to negotiate smaller contracts with the players. if he is perceived to have made a profit this year, there would be much more pressure by the community to spend more on payroll. strategically, he has to make it look like he took a big loss. he also has this stadium that he needs to find money for...

 

i will be utterly shocked if the payroll next season is $70M. i seriously doubt that this is his strategy, especially considering what happed to the angels in 2003. i'm not even convinced it will be $60M, to tell you the truth.