November 25, 200322 yr The only way I could see us making a run for Vlad, is if we trade Lowell. . . . Otherwise, I think the case on Vlad is closed. If I was Beinfest, I would still pursue Vlad and trade Lowell for pitching/2B.
November 25, 200322 yr Wow that was kind of dumb. Why would Beinfest trade our third basemen who is just hitting his prime? We don't have any real good third basemen in our system that I've heard of.
November 25, 200322 yr We don't have any real good third basemen in our system that I've heard of. think.
November 25, 200322 yr Author Wow that was kind of dumb. Why would Beinfest trade our third basemen who is just hitting his prime? We don't have any real good third basemen in our system that I've heard of. LOL. How about Miguel Cabrera?
November 25, 200322 yr Well yeah, I'm so used to seeing him play outfield that I forgot about that? :banghead
November 26, 200322 yr Author this board still thinks we will make a run for Vlad. . . Explain to me how? If we keep Lowell, forget about Vlad Or is Lowell a goner?
November 26, 200322 yr this board still thinks we will make a run for Vlad. . . Explain to me how? If we keep Lowell, forget about Vlad Or is Lowell a goner? Beinfest=Magician,thats all i got to say....Also beinfest=Genius.
November 26, 200322 yr this board still thinks we will make a run for Vlad. . . Explain to me how? If we keep Lowell, forget about Vlad Or is Lowell a goner? Here is a start: Ok, I see now. Pudge's salary this year would be $7M + $3M deferred = total $10M. Castillo is making $6M = total $16M. Call me crazy, but I think we would be better off by putting Castro in there (yes, he has to be found innocent) at roughly 300-400K. Then you let Redmond go and replace him with a cheaper backup, around 300-500K. Next, replace Castillo with minor leaguer/FA/prospect. That could be anywhere from 300K-$2M. Then, sign Vlad at about $10M this year, and increase it over the next several years (3 years total?) to get him what he wants financially. It would look something like this: Pudge 10,000,000 Castillo 6,000,000 Redmd 1,100,000 total 17,100,000 Castro 400,000 bckup 500,000 2B 2,000,000 Vlad 10,000,000 total 12,900,000 Still save about $4M AND get, in my opinion, a better team. Vlad is easily the best hitter on this team - put him in the middle of the lineup. Castro could replace Pudge - and even improve in some categories of offense (more power). Find a capable backup, and there are plenty around, for catcher; could even retain Redmond if you chose. There are plenty of options for 2B out there that wont hurt our team either - trade for Roberts (O's), sign Reese, Young, or even work a deal out for Alomar (which I DONT suggest), or possibly go with Medrano/Hooper/Valdez(?). Either way, there is actually a lot of flexibility and this could get done. Remember, that is maximum figures I proposed above, and you could even use the extra money to increase Vlad's pay. Quoting myself...sorry
November 26, 200322 yr Author I'm sorry Jonny, but Vlad won't sign a 3 years 10 Million dollars with any ball club. Those numbers are way low.
November 26, 200322 yr Im sick of this. You're all a bunch of idiots. Why do you care so much about big bad vlad like he can carry a team on his own? You're all turning into Wayne wanting a fire sale of your own. Now I hear you want to get rid of Lowell. So who's gone now? Lee, Pudge, Castillo, and now you don't want LOWELL?!?!!?
November 26, 200322 yr if we get vlad for a 55 mill for 4 yrs we can do it like this so it can buy time for hampton paychek to leave 2004 11 mill, 2005 12 mill, 2006 16 mill 2007 16 mill somthing like that so he can fit in oru payrol lik e we did w/ pudge. we just gotta buy time so taht the pudge and hapmton money gets out of teh payroll. it can happen ppl
November 26, 200322 yr Im sick of this. You're all a bunch of idiots. Why do you care so much about big bad vlad like he can carry a team on his own? You're all turning into Wayne wanting a fire sale of your own. Now I hear you want to get rid of Lowell. So who's gone now? Lee, Pudge, Castillo, and now you don't want LOWELL?!?!!? I have said time and time again that priority #1 is extending Lowell's contract. You dont deal a 3B who hit 30+HR and 100+RBI because he IS THE ONLY ONE IN BASEBALL TO DO IT AT HIS POSITION. And he was out for a month... You do let Pudge go because we can replace him (Castro, Willingham in a year...) and you let Castillo go because you dont invest $6M on a problematic hip - especially for a player who relies on speed. His SBs #'s are in decline, that is a fact. That alone could net Vlad and Pubes' post above for Vlad's possible deal is exactly what I was talking about. C'mon people, be smart, be alert. As they say in Italian: attenzione, concentrazione, ritmo vitalita
November 26, 200322 yr Author Im sick of this. You're all a bunch of idiots. Why do you care so much about big bad vlad like he can carry a team on his own? You're all turning into Wayne wanting a fire sale of your own. Now I hear you want to get rid of Lowell. So who's gone now? Lee, Pudge, Castillo, and now you don't want LOWELL?!?!!? I have said time and time again that priority #1 is extending Lowell's contract. You dont deal a 3B who hit 30+HR and 100+RBI because he IS THE ONLY ONE IN BASEBALL TO DO IT AT HIS POSITION. And he was out for a month... You do let Pudge go because we can replace him (Castro, Willingham in a year...) and you let Castillo go because you dont invest $6M on a problematic hip - especially for a player who relies on speed. His SBs #'s are in decline, that is a fact. That alone could net Vlad and Pubes' post above for Vlad's possible deal is exactly what I was talking about. C'mon people, be smart, be alert. As they say in Italian: attenzione, concentrazione, ritmo vitalita OK, cool. If you don't deal Lowell, what do you do with Conine? We ain't going to pay 3 mill to Conine to platoon him at 1st or LF. We have other needs to fill (i.e. Closer and solid pitch relief) I'm sorry, but I don't see Vlad on the Marlins plans at this time. I hope I'm wrong on this one.
November 26, 200322 yr The Marlins never had a chance for Vlad. Had? I didn't know he signed elsewhere.
November 26, 200322 yr If we need to give up Lowell for Guerrero it wouldnt happen. Because, Beinfest is really seriouse about signing lowell Long Term. So lowell wont go no where. That means we cant get Vlad.
November 26, 200322 yr If we need to give up Lowell for Guerrero it wouldnt happen. Because, Beinfest is really seriouse about signing lowell Long Term. So lowell wont go no where. That means we cant get Vlad.
November 26, 200322 yr my advice to the youth of the board... stop smoking the weed. i think u should save that remarkk for offtopic
November 26, 200322 yr my advice to the youth of the board... stop smoking the weed. i think u should save that remarkk for offtopic oh now YOU are telling me what to do? this coming from a child who named himself after body hair. why dont you just mind your business and go find yourself some "Yale Groupies" keep "Ballin" FOO
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