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If it was the Chicago paper saying the White Sox are the favorite you woul be all excited. :lol

While the Orioles wait for a decision from the Florida Marlins concerning a possible trade for pitcher A.J. Burnett, Baltimore may be sorting out what its rotation will be if its makes the deal. All indications are that the Orioles are still the heavy favorites to land Burnett. Sources say nothing has changed the last two days and that Baltimore is still offering the best deal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5071700194.html

Maybe this will put some pressure on Theo to draw up a better offer. Take out Shoppach and put in Hanley. Or if that is completely impossible; give us Lester, Declaremen or Papelbon, one of the three. 861001[/snapback] Gammons says the Red Sox arent in it race to get AJ.

Sorry if this was mentioned already but I didnt see it, Gammons also said that t was between the White Sox and the Orioles for Burnett and that the Red Sox werent in the running.

Don't you think that if this rumor were true, that with the Red Sox connection, Gammons would be all over it on ESPN? 860332[/snapback] no I dont they have Great Outdoor Games on right now 860337[/snapback] I'm just saying that there would at least be an article on ESPN.com. 860342[/snapback] There isnt anything about it on ESPN News either

Tuned in to sporting news radio, they didnt say anything during the Sporting News flash

this guy just made it up. ESPN radio doesnt report baseball trades from the nascar track! 860250[/snapback] dude, dont come over to our board and callout one of our better posters here? who do you think you are? 860265[/snapback] not sure why you take it personal. I put ESPN radio on and they didnt mention it during their sportscenter updates.

this guy just made it up. ESPN radio doesnt report baseball trades from the nascar track!

ESPN radio is broadcasting the NASCAR race, I dont think they are reporting anything,

Where do you THINK he will go, not where you WANT him to go...

Marlins 2005, yeah it wasnt you that said he was useless. You are a gentleman here and on orioleshangout.com and it is appreciated. I hope I didnt make anybody mad, just sometimes things can get heated when debating sports, never personal, thats when I am done when people go to name calling just over disagreeing about a team or player. I think we all overrate our own players and it is obvious when we talk to each other lol. 860034[/snapback] I'm "Marlins2003", Marlins2005 is some newbie. The namecalling and crap talk makes both boards look bad. :thumbdown 860056[/snapback] I meant you, just couldnt remember which you were.

Thanks. He sounds good, not sure where he fits in on this team if we got him.

Could you guys tell me about this prospect Eric Reed who may be involved?

Marlins 2005, yeah it wasnt you that said he was useless. You are a gentleman here and on orioleshangout.com and it is appreciated. I hope I didnt make anybody mad, just sometimes things can get heated when debating sports, never personal, thats when I am done when people go to name calling just over disagreeing about a team or player. I think we all overrate our own players and it is obvious when we talk to each other lol.

Sportsbamer, let me join Maverick in saying please forgive some of the children here (sigh). Obviously Gibbons isn't on steroids, etc. But I also agree with Mav regarding Bigbie, outside of being a lefty bat, I don't see where he helps the Fish. I'd take Gibbons in a heartbeat, I like the way he plays the game, even if he's never going to be an all-star, I think you'd agree that in a choice between the two in an important situation, he's the guy you want up at the plate, not Bigbie. 859857[/snapback] Then that penguin loser likes to put words in my mouth. I say usualy pitchers numbers improve going to the NL., and he takes it as I am saying Julio and Kline will be great. All I am saying is better than now. 859965[/snapback] :lol That isn't very comforting. In other words, not worth trading Burnett for. It sounds like you are basing everything on gut feelings, which makes for poor arguments. Your attempts to justify this trade for the Fish are futile. 859979[/snapback] Gut feeling? No. I have used some fact, some analysis by ESPN, and logic. All you have said is this guy is horrible and that guy is useless, you have said nothing to support your case 859992[/snapback] I'm talking about Kline and Julio here... Haven't their performances so far this season been enough to prove they won't help the Fish? Why should they settle for underperforming relievers when they can contact teams out of the race? If you want me to look up stats, I could, but it's not really necessary. 860013[/snapback] If they both perform as they are now than Kline will only hurt and Julio will only help sometimes. I think Julio just needs a change of scenery , he has the tools, maybe not the head. Julio was lights out until early June and since he has been pretty bad. With Kline, I just find it hard to believe a guy can be so good then be so bad the next year, not sure how he would do there but I think going back to the NL would help him, I wish he would be traded to an AL team so the Orioles can smash him lol.

ESPN's insider scouting report seems to agree with me on Bigbie. ALl I said was he ias average and can be good, and you all say he is worthless. Getting Better As He Matures. Valuable Due To His Versatility REPORT Arm Accuracy Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Arm Strength Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Base Running Rating: PLUS Notes: Good Instincts On Bases Hands Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Hitting for Power Rating: AVERAGE Hit/Run Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Hitting for Average Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Range Rating: AVERAGE Secondary Position Accuracy Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Secondary Position Arm Strength Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Speed Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Secondary Position Hands Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Secondary Position Range Rating: AVERAGE Competitiveness: AVERAGE - PLUS Intelligence: AVERAGE - PLUS Position: Can Play All 3 Outfield Spots 859977[/snapback] worthless. ON THIS TEAM. 859988[/snapback] Fair enough, I never said he wasnt. But that doesnt make him a horrible player

Sportsbamer, let me join Maverick in saying please forgive some of the children here (sigh). Obviously Gibbons isn't on steroids, etc. But I also agree with Mav regarding Bigbie, outside of being a lefty bat, I don't see where he helps the Fish. I'd take Gibbons in a heartbeat, I like the way he plays the game, even if he's never going to be an all-star, I think you'd agree that in a choice between the two in an important situation, he's the guy you want up at the plate, not Bigbie. 859857[/snapback] Then that penguin loser likes to put words in my mouth. I say usualy pitchers numbers improve going to the NL., and he takes it as I am saying Julio and Kline will be great. All I am saying is better than now. 859965[/snapback] :lol That isn't very comforting. In other words, not worth trading Burnett for. It sounds like you are basing everything on gut feelings, which makes for poor arguments. Your attempts to justify this trade for the Fish are futile. 859979[/snapback] Gut feeling? No. I have used some fact, some analysis by ESPN, and logic. All you have said is this guy is horrible and that guy is useless, you have said nothing to support your case

ESPN's insider scouting report seems to agree with me on Bigbie. ALl I said was he ias average and can be good, and you all say he is worthless. Getting Better As He Matures. Valuable Due To His Versatility REPORT Arm Accuracy Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Arm Strength Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Base Running Rating: PLUS Notes: Good Instincts On Bases Hands Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Hitting for Power Rating: AVERAGE Hit/Run Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Hitting for Average Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Range Rating: AVERAGE Secondary Position Accuracy Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Secondary Position Arm Strength Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Speed Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Secondary Position Hands Rating: AVERAGE - PLUS Secondary Position Range Rating: AVERAGE Competitiveness: AVERAGE - PLUS Intelligence: AVERAGE - PLUS Position: Can Play All 3 Outfield Spots

Sportsbamer, let me join Maverick in saying please forgive some of the children here (sigh). Obviously Gibbons isn't on steroids, etc. But I also agree with Mav regarding Bigbie, outside of being a lefty bat, I don't see where he helps the Fish. I'd take Gibbons in a heartbeat, I like the way he plays the game, even if he's never going to be an all-star, I think you'd agree that in a choice between the two in an important situation, he's the guy you want up at the plate, not Bigbie. 859857[/snapback] I dont think Bigbie willl ight it up or anything, but to say he is useless is going overboard. Then that penguin loser likes to put words in my mouth. I say usualy pitchers numbers improve going to the NL., and he takes it as I am saying Julio and Kline will be great. All I am saying is better than now. Even with pinch hitters that isnt the same as the AL who is better Jeff Conine or David Ortiz? exactly usually a DH is much better than any pinch hitter. As far as Gibbons on roids, well I wondered about that myself last year lol. I would also take him over Bigbie, Gibbons just stinks at fielding.

I look at the Orioles trade this way: It's basically AJ Burnett and maybe Mike Lowell for Penn. Admin Bigbie is horrible and I'd rather have Encarnacion, Conine, Willingham, or Aguila in the outfield over him. Kline and Julio will do nothing other than force me to renew my valium prescription. The Orioles are basically packaging s*** together hoping to get a SP that could possibly lead them to the playoffs. Even if they do get Burnett, I'd say they are still one short. 859729[/snapback] And this post is an uneducated one. Bigbie is horrible? NO. Bigbie is an average outfielder right now with potential to be a good outfielder. Kline has been awful but he was great in the NL and a switch back would improve his numbers for sure. Going to the NL would help Julio as well, I am not a fan of him though, he will never fulfill his potential until he gets some control on his slider and becomes more consistent. If you want to say the Orioles are getting the better end of the deal I would agree with you 100% but I dont think the Marlins are getting screwed in any way, and with Penn in the deal we could be looking back in a few years saying how the Orioles got ripped off or maybe you guys will have a total bust with him who knows. The things I am reading on this board amaze me. 859782[/snapback] And Os fans continue to amaze me. Sometimes I'm ashamed to live in Baltimore. There are no guarantees that either Julio and Kline will pitch better in the NL. Now you are just talking out of your ass. Why should the Marlins experiment when they can look elsewhere for relievers that are performing NOW? And Bigbie is worse than all of the Marlins' alternatives (Conine, Encarnacion, Aguila, Willingham when he comes back). 859807[/snapback] Im ashamed you live in Baltimore also because you obviously have no idea what youre talking about and I never said Kline would go back to old form or Julio would be great just said improve. I would say any pitcher would improve going to the NL because THERE IS NO DH. Sometimes they do worse of course but overall the majority do better. Mark Wiley could help Julio also, Julio was at his best when Wiley was here. I would definetly take Encarnacion over Bigbie and Conine MAYBE this year but overall I would take Bigbie due to age and upside.

what's wrong with kline..i know he's having an off year so far but he's a good pitcher last year his ERA was 1.79 and he's a lefty reliever which is what we need unless you are a fan of matt perisho. I don't see anything wrong with bigbie he's hitting .262 this year which isn't horrible for a 4th outfielder certainly better than damion easley and the past two years his BA has been .280 and .303 certainly nothin wrong with that and he's young. i'm not that big of a julio fan so i don't care much about him being involved in a trade. i would be thrilled to get Melvin Mora but i have doubts about that happening. i would do mora, kline or julio, and bigbie for burnett and lowell and eric reed 859755[/snapback] WOW. Just wow. That is a very ridiculous post. Why in the hell do you guys think Melvin Mora might be involved? If he was involved the Marlins would have to give up a lot more. The Orioles wouldnt do Burnett for Mora let alone Mora, a reliever, and Bigbie for Burnett and Lowell. You are crazy, whatever you are smoking I want some. 859766[/snapback] none of the sane posters believe Mora is going anywhere... 859787[/snapback] Thats a relief....why would someone even mention it!?!?!

I look at the Orioles trade this way: It's basically AJ Burnett and maybe Mike Lowell for Penn. Admin Bigbie is horrible and I'd rather have Encarnacion, Conine, Willingham, or Aguila in the outfield over him. Kline and Julio will do nothing other than force me to renew my valium prescription. The Orioles are basically packaging s*** together hoping to get a SP that could possibly lead them to the playoffs. Even if they do get Burnett, I'd say they are still one short. 859729[/snapback] And this post is an uneducated one. Bigbie is horrible? NO. Bigbie is an average outfielder right now with potential to be a good outfielder. Kline has been awful but he was great in the NL and a switch back would improve his numbers for sure. Going to the NL would help Julio as well, I am not a fan of him though, he will never fulfill his potential until he gets some control on his slider and becomes more consistent. If you want to say the Orioles are getting the better end of the deal I would agree with you 100% but I dont think the Marlins are getting screwed in any way, and with Penn in the deal we could be looking back in a few years saying how the Orioles got ripped off or maybe you guys will have a total bust with him who knows. The things I am reading on this board amaze me.

what's wrong with kline..i know he's having an off year so far but he's a good pitcher last year his ERA was 1.79 and he's a lefty reliever which is what we need unless you are a fan of matt perisho. I don't see anything wrong with bigbie he's hitting .262 this year which isn't horrible for a 4th outfielder certainly better than damion easley and the past two years his BA has been .280 and .303 certainly nothin wrong with that and he's young. i'm not that big of a julio fan so i don't care much about him being involved in a trade. i would be thrilled to get Melvin Mora but i have doubts about that happening. i would do mora, kline or julio, and bigbie for burnett and lowell and eric reed 859755[/snapback] WOW. Just wow. That is a very ridiculous post. Why in the hell do you guys think Melvin Mora might be involved? If he was involved the Marlins would have to give up a lot more. The Orioles wouldnt do Burnett for Mora let alone Mora, a reliever, and Bigbie for Burnett and Lowell. You are crazy, whatever you are smoking I want some.

How would the Yankees have any upper hand on a Baltimore or Boston deal? 859581[/snapback] They dont. They have nothing to trade, Wang and Pavano are hurt so count them out. The Yankees wont trade Cano or their prospect Duncan, not that the Marlins would want them anyway. The Marlins arent going to take on one of the huge contracts the Yankees have so what possibilities are there? Tom Gordon, Tim Redding, Melky Cabrera and cash for Burnett and Encarnacion? The Yankees cant get anybody unless they are just taking a huge contract off someones hands.

from the Baltimore Sun The race to acquire Florida Marlins pitcher A.J. Burnett could be down to two teams, the Orioles and Boston Red Sox, according to an industry source. The Red Sox are offering pitcher Bronson Arroyo and prospects for Burnett, according to the source. The Orioles are willing to part with reliever Jorge Julio, outfielder Admin Bigbie and minor league pitcher Hayden Penn, and have discussed an expanded package that includes reliever Steve Kline and Marlins third baseman Mike Lowell. The Orioles could have the edge by their willingness to take Lowell, who's owed $18 million over the next two seasons. The Red Sox have no apparent interest in him, but they've become more aggressive in their pursuit of Burnett.