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The marlins lead the league in errors, that may have something to do with it... Your 3B has 18 errors Your SS has 16 errors The bats are Great no doubt, but that is rediculous. Cabrera has no business being a 3rd basemen with the weigt he put on. He needs to be moved to first. I know I will be flamed for that, but it is the truth.

I suggest we trade our rotation for the entire year injuries and everything with the phillies and lets see which team would have the better record considering our team era is 4.70 and yours is 4.69....... I doubt it would change much.

look im not trying to pick a fight. If anything I want you to rise up and get people to support the team. This way ownership will spend money to keep a floridian NL east team. That way I can see my fighten phills. My point is, with more money you can have depth, Like I pointed out with our injuries which should be as devistating as yours, you can still compete. For whatever reason miami peiople (for the most part not all) are sh*tty fans. The phightens have has just as many, and maybe more crucial injuiries, but can still compete. It is up to YOU the phans no to make aplogies, but effectively show the ownership that you car to see a good product on the field. I dont see where we are misscomunicating. I don't see where anyone is insinuating that you are picking a fight. We just know our team better than you do and disagree with some of the things you are saying. And you can't even begin to understand the situation regarding the fans/stadium/Miami/ownership down there, becuase despite all of the theories, no one really does. from 2002, 2007 i livexd at 1055 ne 2nd pl Miami Fl 33161 I understand... Trust me. I understand that they cant spend millions because even w/ the heat and the dolphins the fans only show up when the team is in a tight race or in the playoffs. Im not blind.

look im not trying to pick a fight. If anything I want you to rise up and get people to support the team. This way ownership will spend money to keep a floridian NL east team. That way I can see my fighten phills. My point is, with more money you can have depth, Like I pointed out with our injuries which should be as devistating as yours, you can still compete. For whatever reason miami peiople (for the most part not all) are sh*tty fans. The phightens have has just as many, and maybe more crucial injuiries, but can still compete. It is up to YOU the phans no to make aplogies, but effectively show the ownership that you car to see a good product on the field. I dont see where we are misscomunicating.

Also, it is worth noting that Adam "worst starter in the league" Eaton has more wins and a lower WHIP than the Marlins "ace" Dontrelle Willis does. that is a stretch or is it consider Eaton has huge contract the next 2 seasons after this? Is it funny I mention Dtrain a former 20 game winner? That stuff didnt just disapear. It is still there.

Also, it is worth noting that Adam "worst starter in the league" Eaton has more wins and a lower WHIP than the Marlins "ace" Dontrelle Willis does. Then we start talking about Ryan Howard, which people get pissed about... All I hear is cabbs this Cabbs That.... Hate to break it to ya, but Howard i carrying this season since utleys injury, and carried last season when utley slumped. It makes the team where it is today. You say Cabrera, I say Howard You say Hanley, I say Utley Those seem to be the 2 cornerstones of both team eh? imagine them Combined? Howard Utley Hanley Miggy?

Another aspect that is hurting our chances this year is the team's refusal to give up on Miguel Olivo, who is probably the worst starting catcher in MLB. A streaky hitter his whole career, he began to wear down by the end of last season and has not picked it up since. Having him hit behind our middle of the order guys who get on base a fair clip, has prevented our offsense from maximizing its run production. haha even I want to kick olivo in the nuts.

I don't think anyone is really debating that the Philadelphia rotation isn't much better than ours has been, but if you are going to call the Marlins a fluke in 2006, one very telling counter-argument is that the ERA of our starting pitching has gone from 5th in MLB to 24th. That is a pretty considerable drop, don't you think? It could be man, Seriously last season with your roster... did you have any hope?(not many other people did) Maybe sh*t is just catching up? Gerardi get the axe also? C'mon. Not trying to take anything away if anything I am making a legitmate excuse. I'll be on the record as one of the few who predicted the Marlins NOT to suck before the year last night. When you have gotten nothing from 2/5 of your rotation last year (Sanchez and Johnson) and another 2/5 of it has been average at best (Olsen and Willis), what do you excpet to happen? Once again man Hamels our only constant. Our Ace Myers moved to the pen and got hurt Left us with moyer, who incedently only pitches well againt the marlins Eaton He Stinks worst starter in the legue Garcia Bad shouler gone Leiber Bad foot gone Kyle Kendrick Called him up from double A... Has pitched nice, Luckily, but the same russian roulette you guys ave played for years with pitchers. Duribin. Waived 3 times this season made 3 starts in the pen Lohse.. Did okay toninght we'll see. Bull pen Meyers goes in Shoulder Gone most of the season just returned Madson out twice, including now Flash gordon. Gone most season, back, can pitch ever other day at most. Rosario Down That leaves us with a bunch of guys who no one has ever heard of... cept for Alfonseca.... Please, he walks a ton of people Jose Mesa? 50+ years old? That is with a 90 million dollar payroll. You cant possibly complain about your no name players..... I mean sh*t guys c',mon. You gave to blame ownership at some point. or turn around and point the fingers at your own fan base.

I don't think anyone is really debating that the Philadelphia rotation isn't much better than ours has been, but if you are going to call the Marlins a fluke in 2006, one very telling counter-argument is that the ERA of our starting pitching has gone from 5th in MLB to 24th. That is a pretty considerable drop, don't you think? It could be man, Seriously last season with your roster... did you have any hope?(not many other people did) Maybe sh*t is just catching up? Gerardi get the axe also? C'mon. Not trying to take anything away if anything I am making a legitmate excuse. injuries have killed us we've had a makeshift rotation for the entire year pretty much we got that dude... Phills and marlins. Trying to find a deeper root the problem.. The HAS to be one wit a less than 50 mill payroll.. With the talent you guys have with the Shitbox payroll if you jacked it up a little bit imagine the holes you could fill.

I don't think anyone is really debating that the Philadelphia rotation isn't much better than ours has been, but if you are going to call the Marlins a fluke in 2006, one very telling counter-argument is that the ERA of our starting pitching has gone from 5th in MLB to 24th. That is a pretty considerable drop, don't you think? It could be man, Seriously last season with your roster... did you have any hope?(not many other people did) Maybe sh*t is just catching up? Gerardi get the axe also? C'mon. Not trying to take anything away if anything I am making a legitmate excuse.

Hey fellas. Your boys overacheived last season. The by far surpassed ANYONES including yours, mine, the medias whoever expectations. Now they are performing the way, with the same team (pretty much) as everyone thought they would. Blame your ownership for firing your manager. Or for not building on Cabs and hanley. The personel on the team is what it is. they should be praised for last season because they were an anomoly and over achieved, and should not be hated no because they are what they are. Until your ownership raises its budget, and your fans start paying for tickets it wont change. I personally belive that if they stick in the miami market for a few more years the young kids that are growing up loving the marlins will be old enough to have kids that will love them, building a bigger fan base. Miami is as fickle as it comes (lived there for 5 years no offense) it will take time. I know you postersw on the board care, but it needs to be WAY more than just you guys. I hope this doesnt anger you. It isnt meant to. This team could easily have performed as well as last season's if Johnson, Nolasco, and Sanchez had stayed healthy this season. Just look at their game logs and you will see how accountable they were for a large portion of our wins last season. On top of that, Dontrelle Willis is regressing at a astronomical rate. You really can't place much blame on Beinfest, Loria, Gonzalez, etc. Most of it is just bad luck. Well maybe we need to wait until next season to see if.. Last year was an anomoly, or this year was.... That will be difficult to prove either way. For one, Josh Johnson will likely miss all of 2008. There is no telling on whether or not Sanches will stay healthy. Dontrelle Willis may not ever return to form. If the Marlins were smart they need to start moving talent and give themselves a major shakeup (perhaps Willis and Jacobs) if they wish to have a serious run next season. Dude no disrespect intended. Our pen was horible to begin with. We lost Madson in the begining of the year to an oblique strain. Move myers from our ACE to the pen. Blows out his shoulder. Missed the whole season till about 2 weeks ago. Gordon went out most of the year. Madson down again. Rosario hurts his shoulder out of the pen. Starter garceia, Shoulder, GOne. Leiber. Foot/ anke GOne. You can't say that the phillies haven't had the same problems.... the following Marlins have seen DL time this year for more than the 15 days Josh Johnson, Ricky Nolasco, Mike Jacobs, Aaron Boone, Alejandro De Aza, Jeremy Hermida, Anibal Sanchez, Henry Owens, Logan Kensing, Carlos Martinez, Cody Ross utley, Howard, Garcia, Leiber, Victorino, Bourn, Barjas, Rosario, madson, myers, gordon, I maybe forgetting a few, but sheesh.

Hey fellas. Your boys overacheived last season. The by far surpassed ANYONES including yours, mine, the medias whoever expectations. Now they are performing the way, with the same team (pretty much) as everyone thought they would. Blame your ownership for firing your manager. Or for not building on Cabs and hanley. The personel on the team is what it is. they should be praised for last season because they were an anomoly and over achieved, and should not be hated no because they are what they are. Until your ownership raises its budget, and your fans start paying for tickets it wont change. I personally belive that if they stick in the miami market for a few more years the young kids that are growing up loving the marlins will be old enough to have kids that will love them, building a bigger fan base. Miami is as fickle as it comes (lived there for 5 years no offense) it will take time. I know you postersw on the board care, but it needs to be WAY more than just you guys. I hope this doesnt anger you. It isnt meant to. This team could easily have performed as well as last season's if Johnson, Nolasco, and Sanchez had stayed healthy this season. Just look at their game logs and you will see how accountable they were for a large portion of our wins last season. On top of that, Dontrelle Willis is regressing at a astronomical rate. You really can't place much blame on Beinfest, Loria, Gonzalez, etc. Most of it is just bad luck. Well maybe we need to wait until next season to see if.. Last year was an anomoly, or this year was.... That will be difficult to prove either way. For one, Josh Johnson will likely miss all of 2008. There is no telling on whether or not Sanches will stay healthy. Dontrelle Willis may not ever return to form. If the Marlins were smart they need to start moving talent and give themselves a major shakeup (perhaps Willis and Jacobs) if they wish to have a serious run next season. Dude no disrespect intended. Our pen was horible to begin with. We lost Madson in the begining of the year to an oblique strain. Move myers from our ACE to the pen. Blows out his shoulder. Missed the whole season till about 2 weeks ago. Gordon went out most of the year. Madson down again. Rosario hurts his shoulder out of the pen. Starter garceia, Shoulder, GOne. Leiber. Foot/ anke GOne. You can't say that the phillies haven't had the same problems....

Hey fellas. Your boys overacheived last season. The by far surpassed ANYONES including yours, mine, the medias whoever expectations. Now they are performing the way, with the same team (pretty much) as everyone thought they would. Blame your ownership for firing your manager. Or for not building on Cabs and hanley. The personel on the team is what it is. they should be praised for last season because they were an anomoly and over achieved, and should not be hated no because they are what they are. Until your ownership raises its budget, and your fans start paying for tickets it wont change. I personally belive that if they stick in the miami market for a few more years the young kids that are growing up loving the marlins will be old enough to have kids that will love them, building a bigger fan base. Miami is as fickle as it comes (lived there for 5 years no offense) it will take time. I know you postersw on the board care, but it needs to be WAY more than just you guys. I hope this doesnt anger you. It isnt meant to. This team could easily have performed as well as last season's if Johnson, Nolasco, and Sanchez had stayed healthy this season. Just look at their game logs and you will see how accountable they were for a large portion of our wins last season. On top of that, Dontrelle Willis is regressing at a astronomical rate. You really can't place much blame on Beinfest, Loria, Gonzalez, etc. Most of it is just bad luck. Well maybe we need to wait until next season to see if.. Last year was an anomoly, or this year was.... That will be difficult to prove either way. For one, Josh Johnson will likely miss all of 2008. There is no telling on whether or not Sanches will stay healthy. Dontrelle Willis may not ever return to form. If the Marlins were smart they need to start moving talent and give themselves a major shakeup (perhaps Willis and Jacobs) if they wish to have a serious run next season. they could have moved willis for bourn and carsco. The phillies reportedly offered that to them. Bourn is WAY better than any CF option you have now. Carsco is a Pitcher that looks like he could be a #1 at best but def a top 3 in the rotation pither.... Personally i'm on the fencel. I think a change o f scenery would have helped willis, but if not then the deal wouldnt be worth it for the phills. especially with rowands likely departure w/ free agencey.

Hey fellas. Your boys overacheived last season. The by far surpassed ANYONES including yours, mine, the medias whoever expectations. Now they are performing the way, with the same team (pretty much) as everyone thought they would. Blame your ownership for firing your manager. Or for not building on Cabs and hanley. The personel on the team is what it is. they should be praised for last season because they were an anomoly and over achieved, and should not be hated no because they are what they are. Until your ownership raises its budget, and your fans start paying for tickets it wont change. I personally belive that if they stick in the miami market for a few more years the young kids that are growing up loving the marlins will be old enough to have kids that will love them, building a bigger fan base. Miami is as fickle as it comes (lived there for 5 years no offense) it will take time. I know you postersw on the board care, but it needs to be WAY more than just you guys. I hope this doesnt anger you. It isnt meant to. This team could easily have performed as well as last season's if Johnson, Nolasco, and Sanchez had stayed healthy this season. Just look at their game logs and you will see how accountable they were for a large portion of our wins last season. On top of that, Dontrelle Willis is regressing at a astronomical rate. You really can't place much blame on Beinfest, Loria, Gonzalez, etc. Most of it is just bad luck. Well maybe we need to wait until next season to see if.. Last year was an anomoly, or this year was....

I think the marlins need a new hitting coach, Ugs has the potential to have Utley caliber, but he strikes out WAY to much. He also will develope better fielding in time on his own. Beside Hanman and Miggy the Marlins Strike out a sh*t am I wrong?

Hey fellas. Your boys overacheived last season. The by far surpassed ANYONES including yours, mine, the medias whoever expectations. Now they are performing the way, with the same team (pretty much) as everyone thought they would. Blame your ownership for firing your manager. Or for not building on Cabs and hanley. The personel on the team is what it is. they should be praised for last season because they were an anomoly and over achieved, and should not be hated no because they are what they are. Until your ownership raises its budget, and your fans start paying for tickets it wont change. I personally belive that if they stick in the miami market for a few more years the young kids that are growing up loving the marlins will be old enough to have kids that will love them, building a bigger fan base. Miami is as fickle as it comes (lived there for 5 years no offense) it will take time. I know you postersw on the board care, but it needs to be WAY more than just you guys. I hope this doesnt anger you. It isnt meant to. You know nothing Well i got one negative vote from someone with 4 whole posts. Lets be real i'm not knocking you guys or the marlins, i'm just pointing out some observations. I love baseball and have played/ followed the sport for years. I'm just giving an opinion. Especially since I lived in the damn city. You obviously have not followed enough because if you had you would know that we've been w/o Johnson, Sanchez, and Nolasco ractically the whole year. Thats 3/5 of our starting rotation last year and what a surprise we've struggled with our pitching while we're 5th in runs scored in the NL. So you might follow closer or do better homework before you say the team is no good. Hmmm maybe but we lost leiber and Garcia this year, pitchers that people know about. We have also used the farm pulling up kendrick from double A to start and Durbin who got off waivers to start. I do know your starters have been injured, but they weren't non replaceable. Willis has sh*t the bed... Problem. Olsen has has his person porblems and has cause him to sh*t the bed. That is the major problem. I do follow the team close, I know you go through centerfielders like strippers at tootsie go through condoms. I also know that you guys lucked into Kim because he did a solid job for guys, but let hum go to save a whole 800,000 bucks. So don't cry me the pitching blues. My team has the worst ERA in the NL.

bah, money hasn't had anything to do with it, other than possibly filling our CF hole. We had 3 starting pitchers lost for the season and Dontrelle Willis has been stinky, you don't really have to look beyond that. Couldn't agree more. Whats up with henry owens? I went to college with him. I always rooted for him... cept against the phills. He was acctually a catcher at barry not a pitcher.

Hey fellas. Your boys overacheived last season. The by far surpassed ANYONES including yours, mine, the medias whoever expectations. Now they are performing the way, with the same team (pretty much) as everyone thought they would. Blame your ownership for firing your manager. Or for not building on Cabs and hanley. The personel on the team is what it is. they should be praised for last season because they were an anomoly and over achieved, and should not be hated no because they are what they are. Until your ownership raises its budget, and your fans start paying for tickets it wont change. I personally belive that if they stick in the miami market for a few more years the young kids that are growing up loving the marlins will be old enough to have kids that will love them, building a bigger fan base. Miami is as fickle as it comes (lived there for 5 years no offense) it will take time. I know you postersw on the board care, but it needs to be WAY more than just you guys. I hope this doesnt anger you. It isnt meant to. You know nothing Well i got one negative vote from someone with 4 whole posts. Lets be real i'm not knocking you guys or the marlins, i'm just pointing out some observations. I love baseball and have played/ followed the sport for years. I'm just giving an opinion. Especially since I lived in the damn city.

Hey fellas. Your boys overacheived last season. The by far surpassed ANYONES including yours, mine, the medias whoever expectations. Now they are performing the way, with the same team (pretty much) as everyone thought they would. Blame your ownership for firing your manager. Or for not building on Cabs and hanley. The personel on the team is what it is. they should be praised for last season because they were an anomoly and over achieved, and should not be hated no because they are what they are. Until your ownership raises its budget, and your fans start paying for tickets it wont change. I personally belive that if they stick in the miami market for a few more years the young kids that are growing up loving the marlins will be old enough to have kids that will love them, building a bigger fan base. Miami is as fickle as it comes (lived there for 5 years no offense) it will take time. I know you postersw on the board care, but it needs to be WAY more than just you guys. I hope this doesnt anger you. It isnt meant to.

Jamie Moyer - The Marlins Daddy! lol throw in about 10 other guys with a 6+ era that pitched a lucky game against us. 3 lucky games you mean?

I wonder what it feels like to get a huge set of blue balls every year from your baseball team. buckshot would you care sharing that with us seeing as your a Philly fan? I will give you Marlins fans credit for being consistent. You don't show up whether you're in the WS or fourth place You guys boo whether the team is good or not.....since we're talking about consistentcy. at least we care enough show up to boo

This just ain't your year, you are completely outclassed I wouldn't have expected any more from a Phillies fan. Stay classy Brett Myers. How's Olsen doing? Does he have all of the buttons on his uniform? Oh he sure does. His woman also has two eyes that aren't black. Probably because she beat HIM up, or he's gay.

if you guys dont want to play anymore I'll go

Okay I gave you proof since Miggys fielding definately isnt his strong point so we will forget about that. howard is beating him in 2 of 3 tripple crown cats, and is the reighning MVP and is by far the fastest to hit 100 home runs in MLB history. need I say more? Maybe Cabrera could take on Kobiashi in a hotdog eating contest?

http://www.philaphans.com/forums/member.ph...amp;userid=3422 From the majority of posts you have there, you still seem stupid. Oh im crushed. You found out I post on a phillies board! OH NO! save me! There's no saving you.... You're a Phillies fan You're hopeless....... Oh well, hopeless but loyal