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Asking a bunch of pissed off idiots about the quality of their hometown ballpark yields no meaningful results. The Marlins should certainly be near the best in affordability, and should probably be much higher in promotions as well. Hey, I'm getting a Moyer bobble head tonight in philly! I'm assuming it bobbles at about 75% the speed of an average bobble head :whistle lol That 78MPH fast ball is pretty tricky, you should ask last years Marlins

Asking a bunch of pissed off idiots about the quality of their hometown ballpark yields no meaningful results. The Marlins should certainly be near the best in affordability, and should probably be much higher in promotions as well. Hey, I'm getting a Moyer bobble head tonight in philly!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/...x.html?bcnn=yes Not good for the marlins, but then again it is a football stadium. I actually disagree with the Knowledge ranking also. A lot of you guys seem to know a lot.

Well it sure as hell isn't Jose Reyes, despite what the Mets fans will have you believe.

for Cash considerations And best of all, the Phillies eat almost the entire contract! It's your reward for taking out the mets for us at the end of 07. Hope he does better for you then he did for us. Seems like he was more comfortable playing for the Marlins as a Utility guy, then he was playing in an increased roll for the Phillies. Too much pressure maybe... Good luck Wes, it's a shame you couldn't help us more. BTW, nice to see you guys are off to a good start. Seems like the new guys are fitting in well.

Well, we might not be favorites, and you don't hear the word "best" with us very often, but I'd say we have the best bullpen in the division...at least the deepest. Your thoughts? I really like your bullpen... A lot more than I look the Phillies bullpen. I cringe when Charlie calls on "Flash" anymore.

* Why is it that the Mets fans that are here in South Florida appear to have come from scraping the bottom of the genetic barrel? Every time I see a Met fan at Dolphin Stadium, they're breathing from their mouths and hunched over. It's as if evolution stopped just short with them. I don't thik it's just the Mets fans from South Florida..... Seems like a pretty accurate description of Mets fans in general.

The Marlins renewed Hanley Ramirez’s contract for 2008 at $439,000. He made 402,000 in 2007 when he hit .332 with 29 home Runs, 81 RBI and 51 stolen bases.“That’s OK,� Ramirez said before the game. “Whatever they think I deserve. I don’t care.� Ramirez becomes arbitration eligible next season and stands to make a big raise. “I just want to stay here for my career. If not, whatever,� Ramirez said. “I think they treat me good from the bottom all the way to the top. I feel comfortable here.� http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_y...302124&prov=ap Kid has a good head on his shoulders. Especially after listening to Hamels cry about his 500K renewal. It is refreshing to see it isn't all about the money for some.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7092 1. Jay Bruce, of, Reds 2. Clay Buchholz, rhp, Red Sox 3. Evan Longoria, 3b, Rays 4. Joba Chamberlain, rhp, Yankees 5. Clayton Kershaw, lhp, Dodgers 6. David Price, lhp, Rays 7. Travis Snider, of, Blue Jays 8. Colby Rasmus, of, Cardinals 9. Homer Bailey, rhp, Reds 10. Cameron Maybin, of, Marlins 11. Rick Porcello, rhp, Tigers 12. Matt Wieters, c, Orioles 13. Franklin Morales, lhp, Rockies 14. Andy LaRoche, 3b, Dodgers 15. Wade Davis, rhp, Rays 16. Jacoby Ellsbury, of, Red Sox 17. Jordan Schafer, of, Braves 18. Desmond Jennings, of, Rays 19. Mike Moustakas, ss, Royals 20. Jarrod Parker, rhp, Diamondbacks 21. Joey Votto, 1b, Reds 22. Daric Barton, 1b, Athletics 23. Chase Headley, 3b, Padres 24. Andrew McCutchen, of, Pirates 25. Reid Brignac, ss, Rays 26. Carlos Gonzalez, of, Athletics 27. Nick Adenhart, rhp, Angels 28. Chris Marrero, of/1b, Nationals 29. Angel Villalona, 3b, Giants 30. Neftali Feliz, rhp, Rangers 31. Matt LaPorta, of, Brewers 32. Chin-Lung Hu, ss, Dodgers 33. Jeff Clement, c, Mariners 34. Ian Kennedy, rhp, Yankees 35. Ross Detwiler, rhp, Nationals 36. Jason Heyward, of, Braves 37. Geovany Soto, c, Cubs 38. Brandon Wood, 3b/ss, Angels 39. Matt Antonelli, 2b, Padres 40. Jacob McGee, lhp, Devil Rays 41. Johnny Cueto, rhp, Reds 42. Manny Parra, lhp, Brewers 43. Steven Pearce, 1b, Pirates 44. Chris Tillman, rhp, Mariners 45. Josh Vitters, 3b, Cubs 46. Fautino de los Santos, rhp, Athletics 47. Austin Jackson, of, Yankees 48. Jose Tabata, of, Yankees 49. Eric Hurley, rhp, Rangers 50. Brett Anderson, lhp, Athletics 51. Fernando Martinez, of, Mets 52. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians 53. Justin Masterson, rhp, Red Sox 54. J.R. Towles, c, Astros 55. Carlos Triunfel, ss, Mariners 56. Gio Gonzalez, lhp, Athletics 57. Jed Lowrie, ss, Red Sox 58. Elvis Andrus, ss, Rangers 59. Jordan Walden, rhp, Angels 60. Ryan Kalish, of, Red Sox 61. Matt Latos, rhp, Padres 62. Engel Beltre, of, Rangers 63. Brent Lillibridge, ss, Braves 64. Gerardo Parra, of, Diamondbacks 65. Carlos Gomez, of, Twins 66. Scott Elbert, lhp, Dodgers 67. Alan Horne, rhp, Yankees 68. Carlos Carrasco, rhp, Phillies 69. Chris Perez, rhp, Cardinals 70. Brandon Jones, of, Braves 71. Bryan Anderson, c, Cardinals 72. Luke Hochevar, rhp, Royals 73. Michael Main, rhp, Rangers 74. Chris Davis, 3b, Rangers 75. Chorye Spoone, rhp, Orioles 76. Jeremy Jeffress, rhp, Brewers 77. Taylor Teagarden, c, Rangers 78. Wes Hodges, 3b, Indians 79. Deolis Guerra, rhp, Twins 80. Chris Nelson, ss, Rockies 81. Michael Burgess, of, Nationals 82. Greg Reynolds, rhp, Rockies 83. Gorkys Hernandez, of, Braves 84. Henry Sosa, rhp, Giants 85. Radhames Liz, rhp, Orioles 86. Jair Jurrjens, rhp, Braves 87. Aaron Poreda, lhp, White Sox 88. Chris Volstad, rhp, Marlins 89. Hank Conger, c, Angels 90. Max Scherzer, rhp, Diamondbacks 91. Casey Weathers, rhp, Rockies 92. Dexter Fowler, of, Rockies 93. Wladimir Balentien, of, Mariners 94. Neil Walker, 3b, Pirates 95. Michael Bowden, rhp, Red Sox 96. Joe Savery, lhp, Phillies 97. Ben Revere, of, Twins 98. Trevor Cahill, rhp, Athletics 99. Chris Carter, 1b, Athletics 100. Lars Anderson, 1b, Red Sox

:drunks Ahh 1 month from today I will fly out of this frozen tundra to Florida to enjoy coctails and baseball for a long weekend.

I completley agree, It was said more as a joke. Helms might be available now FWIW. Why would we help Philadelphia dump his contract and the roughly $3 million they owe? Besides Helms didn't exactly set the world on fire last season. He did what all journeymen would hope to do, have a great season and get someone to give them a multi-year contract because of it. Now if Philly cuts him and picks up most of his contract maybe, but no way are we trading pitching to Philadelphia (which is what they want) for a question mark in Helms.

Helms might be available now FWIW.

The Philadelphia Phillies have agreed to a two-year deal with free-agent third baseman Pedro Feliz, pending a physical. Feliz batted .253 with 20 home runs and 72 RBIs last season with the San Francisco Giants. Feliz The deal includes a team option for 2010, a person familiar with the negotiations told the Associated Press on Monday, speaking on condition of anonymity because the agreement had not been announced. Feliz will likely replace the trio of Greg Dobbs, Wes Helms and Abraham Nunez that the Phillies used last season. Philadelphia's third basemen batted .255 with 11 homers and 76 RBIs last year. Dobbs and Helms remain on the roster. The defending NL East champion Phillies also added outfielders Geoff Jenkins and So Taguchi and pitcher Chad Durbin in free agency this offseason. They acquired closer Brad Lidge and utility man Eric Bruntlett in a trade with Houston. My Take: I'm Ok with this move. Neither Dobbs, or Helms is an everyday 3rd basemen, and we already have Platoon in right. 20 HR playing in SF could translate to 25-30 in our bandbox. He is a decent fielder, Crappy OBP, and AVG, but nice pop in the back of the order. Upgrade over what we had, and who knows.. Maybe you guys or the yanks might want to give Helms a look.

Can't wait. About month away from Pitchers and catchers reporting. I bought a plane ticket down to Tampa. I'm headed down from Thursday Feb 28 to Sunday March second. Seeing the Phillies @ Pirates in Bradenton on Friday the 29th. Yankees @ Phillies in Clearwater Saturday the 1st Phillies @ Yankess in Tampa on March 2nd and Flying back to Philly in the evening. SO PUMPED... Moved back to PA in September, and have endured my first full winter in over 5 years. My girlfriend grew up in Spring Hill, so we have free lodging with the family. Any of you guys going to Spring Training?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...team-2007_N.htm Along the line of our original discussion.

is there a reason a phillies fan is posting on a marlins fansite or am i missing something? nothing wrong with a fan of another team posting here Thanks Ramp. I'm not posting on the Marlins Talk part of the site... Aside from the obvious homersim from myself, and you guys.. I enjoy the discussion about MLB. It is a nice change of pace from the fellas I talk to over at PhilaPhans. If I was here to Troll I'd be over int he Marlins Discussion Forum running my mouth.

BTW the Golden Glove is equally a Sham like pating gifts to a golf tournament because Rollins didn't deserve that one either :whistle Whatever man. It doesn't bother me at all. It's not like I won the thing.

I wouldn't say he's bad, but I would say he's the third best SS in his own division (this coming from someone who thinks Reyes is also vastly overrated). I would also say he's not one of the best lead off men in the league. If you were telling me Hanley is the best Hitter playin SS than that's one thing, but I think you under value defense. J-Roll is a Better Defender than Hanley. The Most important part of playing SS is Defense. Hanley is a great hitter no doubt, but to say he is a better SS is grasping for straws that aren't there. You wont be able to convince me otherwise until Hanley Cuts his errors in half. Dont tell me it's a "wash" with the glove either, because that just isn't the case. Rollins is better than Hanley with the glove. IMO, the gap between them defensively isn't even close to Hanley's advantage with the bat. You are significantly overrating Rollins' defense and offense. Hanley is retardedly better offensively. It's not even close. Bob you are right on the money on this one as far as Hanley's defense can use some fine tuning he is not a bad defender really. He is by far better a hitter than the Silver Slugger winner which is a total outrage. It is evident if Hanley Ramirez would have hit one more homer to the 30 HRs/50 SB. The National media would have had Rollins as an afterthought. Hanley has a huge range at SS, which leads to few extra errors but quite a few more outs. Next season Ramirez will decrease his total errors and catch up to the Rollins of the league defensively I dont even see what the big deal is with a silver slugger. It's a sham, and it has been for a while. It's like parting gift that you take home from a golf tournament or something. I can see you feeling that way when your SS didn't deserve his award at all It isn't a Big deal though. It really isn't. I highly doubt the players care that much... They aren;t team players if they put that much stock in personal Acheivments.

I wouldn't say he's bad, but I would say he's the third best SS in his own division (this coming from someone who thinks Reyes is also vastly overrated). I would also say he's not one of the best lead off men in the league. If you were telling me Hanley is the best Hitter playin SS than that's one thing, but I think you under value defense. J-Roll is a Better Defender than Hanley. The Most important part of playing SS is Defense. Hanley is a great hitter no doubt, but to say he is a better SS is grasping for straws that aren't there. You wont be able to convince me otherwise until Hanley Cuts his errors in half. Dont tell me it's a "wash" with the glove either, because that just isn't the case. Rollins is better than Hanley with the glove. IMO, the gap between them defensively isn't even close to Hanley's advantage with the bat. You are significantly overrating Rollins' defense and offense. Hanley is retardedly better offensively. It's not even close. Bob you are right on the money on this one as far as Hanley's defense can use some fine tuning he is not a bad defender really. He is by far better a hitter than the Silver Slugger winner which is a total outrage. It is evident if Hanley Ramirez would have hit one more homer to the 30 HRs/50 SB. The National media would have had Rollins as an afterthought. Hanley has a huge range at SS, which leads to few extra errors but quite a few more outs. Next season Ramirez will decrease his total errors and catch up to the Rollins of the league defensively I dont even see what the big deal is with a silver slugger. It's a sham, and it has been for a while. It's like parting gift that you take home from a golf tournament or something.

I wouldn't say he's bad, but I would say he's the third best SS in his own division (this coming from someone who thinks Reyes is also vastly overrated). I would also say he's not one of the best lead off men in the league. If you were telling me Hanley is the best Hitter playin SS than that's one thing, but I think you under value defense. J-Roll is a Better Defender than Hanley. The Most important part of playing SS is Defense. Hanley is a great hitter no doubt, but to say he is a better SS is grasping for straws that aren't there. You wont be able to convince me otherwise until Hanley Cuts his errors in half. Dont tell me it's a "wash" with the glove either, because that just isn't the case. I'd have Ramirez over Rollins on my team any day of the week. Of couse you would, and I dont blame you. He's the only Ray of light right now for you guys. We're Spoiled in Philly, having Utley and Howard as well. It's like you come here just waiting to stir the pot to say Hanley is all we have going for this team is just stupid probably as stupid as me responding to this post though Oh, Ok I'm sorry. I must I have imagined Miggy getting Traded. Who else Besides Hanley has proven to be a Super star like Talent? I don't see how that is stiring the pot. Did I say someone wouldn't emerge this season? No. If it happened, I wouldn't be shocked. You guys always have someone young who seems to step up. To say you aren't here to stir the pot is bulls***. It's not my fault you guys are getting worked up over this. I certainly isn't meant to. If it was I'd be over on the marlins discussion stiring it up. I thought this was for "MLB Discussion" I was unaware that I wan't allowed to post something unless it was only Praising the Marlins. Besides, I haven't thought neerly as bad about your organization or lineup this coming season as some of your comrades. The Marlins have a player who is better than any of the 3 on the Phillies. Maybin might be better than them eventually. Miller will probably be better than anyone on the Phillies staff. I'll put any amount of money that the Marlins win a WS before the Phillies. But at least you've got your 10,000 losses to hang your hat on. Good Fine, wow. You happy you got that out of your system? Sheesh.

I wouldn't say he's bad, but I would say he's the third best SS in his own division (this coming from someone who thinks Reyes is also vastly overrated). I would also say he's not one of the best lead off men in the league. If you were telling me Hanley is the best Hitter playin SS than that's one thing, but I think you under value defense. J-Roll is a Better Defender than Hanley. The Most important part of playing SS is Defense. Hanley is a great hitter no doubt, but to say he is a better SS is grasping for straws that aren't there. You wont be able to convince me otherwise until Hanley Cuts his errors in half. Dont tell me it's a "wash" with the glove either, because that just isn't the case. I'd have Ramirez over Rollins on my team any day of the week. Of couse you would, and I dont blame you. He's the only Ray of light right now for you guys. We're Spoiled in Philly, having Utley and Howard as well. It's like you come here just waiting to stir the pot to say Hanley is all we have going for this team is just stupid probably as stupid as me responding to this post though Oh, Ok I'm sorry. I must I have imagined Miggy getting Traded. Who else Besides Hanley has proven to be a Super star like Talent? I don't see how that is stiring the pot. Did I say someone wouldn't emerge this season? No. If it happened, I wouldn't be shocked. You guys always have someone young who seems to step up. To say you aren't here to stir the pot is bulls***. It's not my fault you guys are getting worked up over this. I certainly isn't meant to. If it was I'd be over on the marlins discussion stiring it up. I thought this was for "MLB Discussion" I was unaware that I wan't allowed to post something unless it was only Praising the Marlins. Besides, I haven't thought neerly as bad about your organization or lineup this coming season as some of your comrades.

I wouldn't say he's bad, but I would say he's the third best SS in his own division (this coming from someone who thinks Reyes is also vastly overrated). I would also say he's not one of the best lead off men in the league. If you were telling me Hanley is the best Hitter playin SS than that's one thing, but I think you under value defense. J-Roll is a Better Defender than Hanley. The Most important part of playing SS is Defense. Hanley is a great hitter no doubt, but to say he is a better SS is grasping for straws that aren't there. You wont be able to convince me otherwise until Hanley Cuts his errors in half. Dont tell me it's a "wash" with the glove either, because that just isn't the case. I'd have Ramirez over Rollins on my team any day of the week. Of couse you would, and I dont blame you. He's the only Ray of light right now for you guys. We're Spoiled in Philly, having Utley and Howard as well. It's like you come here just waiting to stir the pot to say Hanley is all we have going for this team is just stupid probably as stupid as me responding to this post though Oh, Ok I'm sorry. I must I have imagined Miggy getting Traded. Who else Besides Hanley has proven to be a Super star like Talent? I don't see how that is stiring the pot. Did I say someone wouldn't emerge this season? No. If it happened, I wouldn't be shocked. You guys always have someone young who seems to step up.

I wouldn't say he's bad, but I would say he's the third best SS in his own division (this coming from someone who thinks Reyes is also vastly overrated). I would also say he's not one of the best lead off men in the league. If you were telling me Hanley is the best Hitter playin SS than that's one thing, but I think you under value defense. J-Roll is a Better Defender than Hanley. The Most important part of playing SS is Defense. Hanley is a great hitter no doubt, but to say he is a better SS is grasping for straws that aren't there. You wont be able to convince me otherwise until Hanley Cuts his errors in half. Dont tell me it's a "wash" with the glove either, because that just isn't the case. I'd have Ramirez over Rollins on my team any day of the week. Of couse you would, and I dont blame you. He's the only Ray of light right now for you guys. We're Spoiled in Philly, having Utley and Howard as well.

I wouldn't say he's bad, but I would say he's the third best SS in his own division (this coming from someone who thinks Reyes is also vastly overrated). I would also say he's not one of the best lead off men in the league. If you were telling me Hanley is the best Hitter playin SS than that's one thing, but I think you under value defense. J-Roll is a Better Defender than Hanley. The Most important part of playing SS is Defense. Hanley is a great hitter no doubt, but to say he is a better SS is grasping for straws that aren't there. You wont be able to convince me otherwise until Hanley Cuts his errors in half. Dont tell me it's a "wash" with the glove either, because that just isn't the case.

The "how many outs in a season a guy makes" argument is dumb. An out is the worst thing a guy can do in an at bat. So, if he makes more outs than anyone else, that is not good. I'm not sure how that is a dumb argument. Or, how about the argument that he has been a below average ML hitter in his career, and his career high OPS was a scant 9 percent better than league average in a park that basically begs hitters to take it out every time. Or the argument that he has a career OBP that is below league average, or that in his best year, he was still below average in OBP, and he's getting more at bats than anyone in the league. Are those dumb arguments? If you are leading the league in at bats, and you are making outs at a subpar rate, you are not a very valuable player. Just out of Curiousity, How many Phillies games do you watch a year? Just the ones where they play the Marlins? I understand that you are a Calc Fan. We have many on our Phillies Board as well. They make similar arguments that you do. Sometimes you need to acctually watch a player more than few times a season to make an accurate judgment. Just sayin.